watanjar

[qunduz92]

i was just curious, is it also a place in afghanistan?

[graveyardofempires]

watanjar means de watan na jar.
which in english literely means land poison.
but it actually means land scrifice which means one who sacrifice for watan(homeland)

so watanjar is not name of a place

its actually this guy's surname
YouTube - Aslam Watanjaar on National TV

[qunduz92]

i know it was the name of the communist general, but i think its actually a locality in afghanistan too.

[Catya Sher]

That is a nice explanation: "sacrifice for homeland"
I had heard only that general's name.
Did not know what it meant.
Is he supporting the NATO invasion, I wonder, like some of them ?

[qunduz92]

That is a nice explanation: "sacrifice for homeland"
I had heard only that general's name.
Did not know what it meant.
Is he supporting the NATO invasion, I wonder, like some of them ?

No he died in 2000.

[graveyardofempires]

he died before the invasion of Afghanistan in the year 2000

[Catya Sher]

Oh!
Thanks, both of you --

It WOULD be an interesting project to find out where all those other Communist
generals and political figureheads who are still around on the planet
stand on this topic.
I remember one clip by one of them showing him speaking out against the invasion.

On the other hand, these people also had knee-jerk reactions to anything to do with America, as they were trained and/or indoctrinated by Soviet Communists
and perhaps Iranian ones too?

So they would naturally be against the NATO attack from that perspective.

That type may welcome a return of Russian forces after the Americans leave...

Wonder if some of these Afghan Communist Party members have
reformed ?
If some have become Islamic in their values -- maybe even practising their religion too?

[graveyardofempires]

Oh!
Thanks, both of you --

It WOULD be an interesting project to find out where all those other Communist. I dont think there were many real communists in Afghanistan and those mainly nationalists and socialists would be againstt eh invasion.
generals and political figureheads who are still around on the planet
stand on this topic.many of them are in the government.
I remember one clip by one of them showing him speaking out against the invasion.that was shahnawaz tanai and he was responsible for the coup against najib government and he isnt a communist but a nationalist.

On the other hand, these people also had knee-jerk reactions to anything to do with America, as they were trained and/or indoctrinated by Soviet Communists
and perhaps Iranian ones too
nationlists normaly would be against foreign invasion but cant say the same for communists.
So they would naturally be against the NATO attack from that perspective.

That type may welcome a return of Russian forces after the Americans leave...dont think so

Wonder if some of these Afghan Communist Party members have
reformed ? i havent heard of eactly afghans saying they are communists but there always been two factions,one was nationalists and other was communists.there could be many nationalists in the Afghan resistance.

If some have become Islamic in their values -- maybe even practising their religion too?

i for one have lived in Afghanistan in those times and believe me we had Quran lessons at the schools so i dont think you would have find Afghans being athesit communists.btw i lived in the time right when the soviets were leaving.

[sahil112]

ah yes i rember those days wrora ^^^ going mosque to read the quran and making sure your nails were clipped or you get the beating and taking food for the mullahs every friday and dah gd times

[graveyardofempires]

ah yes i rember those days wrora ^^^ going mosque to read the quran and making sure your nails were clipped or you get the beating and taking food for the mullahs every friday and dah gd times

where did you live?

wrora
is your sig from one of those songs of Immoratal Technique?
i think it was called "dancing with the devil"?

[Catya Sher]

Really helpful, GYE, to try to understand.
I always remember that name Shahnawaz Tanai.
That Pashtun - wasn't he from somewhere in the East of Afghanistan, is there a Tanai tribe or something like that ? - was in the Communist regime, but he was actually a nationalist? Oh, OK.
That clip was quite interesting to see his feelings in this era.
He WAS a big name.

So you're saying that Islamic instruction still went on during the Soviet occupation?
Or was it resuming when you were at that age ?
Like maybe a bit dormant before in the earlier part of the 80s?
I know for sure that Soviets and KGB had infiltrated some of the mosques
and tried to co-opt clergy to give the Communist govt's line.

How widespread that programme was and how successful is a question
I am curious about, as I wrote on this topic.
But no way did I have a full knowledge of the situation without being free to travel around Afghanistan and speak to many people.
I asked new refugees to Pakistan, among them govt officials who had 'defected' or fled, to piece together the situation for my article on this.

[sahil112]

where did you live?

wrora
is your sig from one of those songs of Immoratal Technique?
i think it was called "dancing with the devil"?

kandahar bro

and indeed it is
the song connects wid me on a level so nw i listin 2 it alot over and over again

[graveyardofempires]

kandahar bro

and indeed it is
the song connects wid me on a level so nw i listin 2 it alot over and over again

kandahar/awsome

ive been listening that album back in the days
went to one of his concerts.

[sahil112]

u r a luki man to have gone to his concert

[graveyardofempires]

i guess im lucky but he did take my 25 euros lol

bro did Nokia Lala PM you already?