Baygham,salahudin,Osho

[graveyardofempires]

Does difference of opinion means that people not agreeing with you should be banned?

Graveyardofempires: Do I have to tell you that how many times you broke the rules on the thread 'Misc languages poetic versus of the day'

Actually, We need to be a bit tolerant out here. Everybody does have the right to say what he/she thinks is right!! I am no one, like I've never been in a debate with Baygham, Salahudin and Osho. I don't know what their views about the matters but I think it's their right to express their views and no rule of this forum must be against it. Just learn to live with people who don't agree with you and only than we can make a better society. If you think that everyone should start thinking the way you think than it is certainly not possible.

Learn to co-exist in a society with differences of opinions!!

It not about agreeing or disagreeing with me,i care less if you disagree with me but this forum is called Pashtunforums and i have the right to adress whats important to be adressed.Since its called Pashtunforum i must defend myself against people who are trying to give a wrong impression such as the anti muslim gang.

are you going to teach me about tolerance and coexisting and tolerating different view points?
you dont knwo what you are talking about,you are a blind follower of pakistani army and whatever the establishment throws at you you accept blindly and talking to me as if you are somehow a democrate.Again i dont know why you are always out to defend these members who have this islamophobia and trying to misrepresent Pukhtane and degrade us?
I dont think people should be allowd to badmouth Pukhtane and Islam on a forum called pashtunforums.com,there is nothing special in respecting such people's view.

About the poetics versus...... well its simple you can take that to a pakistani website where you can have all the urdu you want and my poems did not break any rules unless they were on a paki website,you should appreciate them.How about i tell you ,you broke the rules by condoning the torture by army.

[JAMALUDEEN]

I have a lot of respect for Catya, Graveyardofempires, Fahd, and unknown, mainly because they speak their minds. Even though, we might not agree with each other on some matters, they have always been very respectful towards me.

To be honest, it isn't fair to be calling them intolerant to other views, because even their opposition is intolerant to their views (No one is complaining about them). I could begin naming people, but that would go against my values....

[Shehbaz Khan]

It not about agreeing or disagreeing with me,i care less if you disagree with me but this forum is called Pashtunforums and i have the right to adress whats important to be adressed.Since its called Pashtunforum i must defend myself against people who are trying to give a wrong impression such as the anti muslim gang.

That's again a difference of opinion with you my dear, let the readers decide who is right and who is wrong. Why you give a damn, I'd told you already don't get personal that much quickly

are you going to teach me about tolerance and coexisting and tolerating different view points?

No I just gave my opinion.. You like it thanks you dislike it your opinion is appreciated. Don't come here with the intention that you sitting behind your computer screen can change the way of thinking of another person sitting miles away from you. Say what you want about the topic not about the person and let it go ..

you dont knwo what you are talking about,you are a blind follower of pakistani army and whatever the establishment throws at you you accept blindly and talking to me as if you are somehow a democrate.Again i dont know why you are always out to defend these members who have this islamophobia and trying to misrepresent Pukhtane and degrade us?
I dont think people should be allowd to badmouth Pukhtane and Islam on a forum called pashtunforums.com,there is nothing special in respecting such people's view.

See, this is the attitude now I was talking about.. You know there are hundreds and thousands of pakhtuns who would be agreeing with me and millions agreeing with you that doesn't mean that your supporters are somehow superior and mine are brainwashed. You call me brain washed I can call you many things.. So we should just share our point of views and we both must be a little flexible.

About the poetics versus...... well its simple you can take that to a pakistani website where you can have all the urdu you want and my poems did not break any rules unless they were on a paki website,you should appreciate them.How about i tell you ,you broke the rules by condoning the torture by army.

No, I didn't I never ever said that If Pakistan Army did that to an Innocent person than it's right? If you could find my statement show me !! I said if that guy was a culprit he deserved the punishment if he was not the culprit these soldiers need to be hanged!!

Now coming to the versus, where the rules of this forum says that no other language except Pukhtu is not allowed?

[graveyardofempires]

That's again a difference of opinion with you my dear, let the readers decide who is right and who is wrong. Why you give a damn, I'd told you already don't get personal that much quickly
i have full right to counter such fallacies ,you can be all romantic about it as if you have found something new "opinion" to throw aroudn to look more legit but you too needs to face the facts.



No I just gave my opinion.. You like it thanks you dislike it your opinion is appreciated. Don't come here with the intention that you sitting behind your computer screen can change the way of thinking of another person sitting miles away from you. Say what you want about the topic not about the person and let it go ..
i dont care about your opinion,you can have thousands of opinions as far as im concerned.What i cant stand is when you are trying to give a distorted view of things.So now you are defending this Baygham character who bashes Pukhtane womena and Islam on daily basis,that makes you no better than him.when you defend someone's view it becomes your own view.



See, this is the attitude now I was talking about.. You know there are hundreds and thousands of pakhtuns who would be agreeing with me and millions agreeing with you that doesn't mean that your supporters are somehow superior and mine are brainwashed. You call me brain washed I can call you many things.. So we should just share our point of views and we both must be a little flexible.
Agreeing with me will eb agreeing with historical correct context.
agreeing with you will be agreeing with forgery ,disinformation.

since when have you been flexible?you havent even changed your sig which is totally a disrespect to my Nation.

i have no problem with someone having a view i just odnt have to be agreeing with that view just cuz someone is having it.

No, I didn't I never ever said that If Pakistan Army did that to an Innocent person than it's right? If you could find my statement show me !! I said if that guy was a culprit he deserved the punishment if he was not the culprit these soldiers need to be hanged!!

you claime dthe guys were not innocent even and if you were that soldier you would follow orders as well and would do it.
one minute you are all democrate etc and next moment you say "i said if that guy was a culprit he deserved the punishment" so you are a democrate who condone's torture?

Now coming to the versus, where the rules of this forum says that no other language except Pukhtu is not allowed?

just cuz it doesnt say ,doesnt mean you should go around and do it.
urdu has nothing to do with a pahtun forum so dont push it.

[Shehbaz Khan]

That's your problem. I believe that such forums give due right to each and every individual to present his point of view and others to counter him with logic not with emotional and repeated statements like
1) Agents of ISI
2) Brainwashed by media/Army
3) Followers of Na jaiz Army
And many more ..


If you don't care about any body's opinion than why this topic the fact is that you do care and now just in the speed of replying you are saying you don't care. Just see where I defeated Baygham?


History is seen by everyone with a different eye. Show me one book of history which is 100% correct? There is no such book. Now here is the major problem that you think that only those who agree with you are right and those who don't agree with you are complete nuts? Flexible and me? Where have I not been flexible? I gave you a very handsome reply to the signature unfortunately which you couldn't read so now you are dragging that topic over here all over again ..


My dear, you asked me a question what a soldier will do and I gave you the reply. Than what is wrong in saying that if that guy was a culprit he deserved this punishment. Even today I am saying this. Haven't you seen these militants blowing the schools of Swat? Killing people? Torturing them in every possible way? Do you think ISI was funding them for that?


If we can have English songs here than whats wrong with Urdu poetry? Plus, If it's wrong that why is it so that a moderator/Admin didn't take an action against it but against your posts which are totally illogical!!

[graveyardofempires]

That's your problem. I believe that such forums give due right to each and every individual to present his point of view and others to counter him with logic not with emotional and repeated statements like
1) Agents of ISI
2) Brainwashed by media/Army
3) Followers of Na jaiz Army
And many more ..
One of the goals of this forum is to create unity among lar aw bar
the other one is to help flourish Pukhto etc.
this is not just another forum where you can spew your non sense all over the screen.I dont have the time to counter you with logic knowing that you are a hardcore paki who supports torutre of my people.

If you don't care about any body's opinion than why this topic the fact is that you do care and now just in the speed of replying you are saying you don't care. Just see where I defeated Baygham?
I care to inform people about members who are spewing non sense and creating a false image of Pukhtane through this forum.
I find it my duty to bring these twisted members to the light.
you have not defeated Baygham,you are defending him.


History is seen by everyone with a different eye. Show me one book of history which is 100% correct? There is no such book. Now here is the major problem that you think that only those who agree with you are right and those who don't agree with you are complete nuts? Flexible and me? Where have I not been flexible? I gave you a very handsome reply to the signature unfortunately which you couldn't read so now you are dragging that topic over here all over again ..
you can choose to see history how you want to but the truth remains the same.you want to see history as if that quote is talking about pakis but that only makes you look like a fool.you have not been flexible but have been trying to sell me dirt with the price of gold.
you did not give a handsome answer,cuz there is no such thing that exists.

My dear, you asked me a question what a soldier will do and I gave you the reply. Than what is wrong in saying that if that guy was a culprit he deserved this punishment. Even today I am saying this. Haven't you seen these militants blowing the schools of Swat? Killing people? Torturing them in every possible way? Do you think ISI was funding them for that?
Torture is a crime be it against as you call them "culprits".
you can follow order to torture innocent pukhtane but dont forget that you too have to answer for what you do.On the other hand who says these people are culprits and Punjabistan is no culprit?
I dont know if militants are blowing up schools but seeing the desperation of paki army adn their ambitions of invading pukhtunkhwa,they could do anything to legitimize their invasion.

If we can have English songs here than whats wrong with Urdu poetry? Plus, If it's wrong that why is it so that a moderator/Admin didn't take an action against it but against your posts which are totally illogical!!

Englsih is a language which many here understand and i have no problem with it and its not english which is pushing itself on Pukhtane in Pukhtunkhwa so whats your point?

[Shehbaz Khan]

Yes Pakhtuns of Lar Aw Bar unity is the cause of this forum but the ways through which one would like to unite it may differ Flourishing Pakhtu I've got no problem I am here to put all my energies and time for that When I said that I don't want Pakhtu to flourish?
I am sorry if you can't prove that with logic than all you will say is the statements I gave you And that's where you get personal with members and the problems start arising instead of uniting pakhtuns you create hatred


There you care .. than why you said you don't care :D You care that's why you are here I gave you the answer which according to me was handsome ..


If you want to argue about that point further bring it on the topic where we were already discussing it? Not here. Plus, where I said that this quote is talking about Pakistanis? Again nonsence, I always said that this quote is pointing towards ethnic Afghans/Pakhtuns/Pashtuns. I am not selling you anything


Invading Pakhtunkhwa? Are you kidding me? Who is holding Pakhtunkhwa, currently ANP a pakhtun nationalist party which is loyal to Pakistan. Torture is a crime I agree. So and where it's written that they were innocent? Don't be double standard for two different kind of people. Understand the situation and understand what I wrote, Let me say it once more, If these people were innocent the soldier must be hanged if they were culprits they deserved this.


Infact English is pushing itself on everyone more than anyother language. plus who is pushing urdu in pakhtunkhwa? Urdu is taught in each and every province as a compulsory subject. Plus the constitution of IRP gives the right to every province that they can teach the local language within the province. It was the people of Akora Khattak who said that they don't want to learn pakhtu/ they didn't want pakhtu as a subject. And Qalandar Momand commented on that If the people of Akora Khattak don't want pakhtu we don't want them in pakhtunkhwa so it was always the choice of the people to decide which language they want to speak/learn/read/write

[graveyardofempires]

Shehbaza
you are dragging this for no reason
why are you defending people who are looking down on your people?

btw love your new SIG

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ I am not ashna, Re-read my posts you will find none is irrelevant!!
That's the point I am saying no body is looking down at my people those who are looking down at them are just a minority and every body wants to get rid of of this minority!!

Btw, all this time through countless arguments I wanted to tell you the vary same thing about my signature that this Pakhtun/Pashtun/Afghans(Ethnic) are the different names for same kind of people !!

[graveyardofempires]

^ I am not ashna, Re-read my posts you will find none is irrelevant!!
That's the point I am saying no body is looking down at my people those who are looking down at them are just a minority and every body wants to get rid of of this minority!!

Btw, all this time through countless arguments I wanted to tell you the vary same thing about my signature that this Pakhtun/Pashtun/Afghans(Ethnic) are the different names for same kind of people !!

[graveyardofempires]

since salaudin and co have a free pass to say whatever they want under the pretext of free speech.
it seems we Pukhtane should let our voice be heard to counter these propagandists,haters,islamphobes.

i have seen many of their post contain a massege of hatred such as this new one about waziri and maseed Pukhtane.

i dont think this webiste can succeed in its pro Pukhtun goals since there are enough anti Pukhtun people with more freedom to derail the process.

if you think these so called atheist "Pukhtane" will have positive intetions than you are dreaming.

anyway we are on ourselves,i dont think there is a debate with such people since they dont represent or reflect Pukhtane.

[Badlun]

In this modern era of communication boom, to ban some one or something is not the solution. If not here they can go to some where else, can join other forums, can have their own sites ,forums, blogs, can write in newspapers, magazines, can deliver lectures, can join political parties

Hence if some is really sure that some one has bad ideas then argue with them, convince them, educate them, engage them, talk to them, present your own case in a better way, have stronger proofs otherwise they will go some where else and will be beyond your reach .

Personally I believe in few very simple notions. My religion is Islam. I believe in oneness of God, finality of the prophethood of Muhammad, I believe in angels, hereafter, holy books. I try to offer prayers, observe ramadan, pay zakat, will go to Hajj one day and I believe in most of the religious morality like dont tell lie, dont kill, dont cheat, dont adulterate, dont call names, dont back bite, be virtuous, righteous, be honest, true, etc.

But I dont believe in the culture, dress codes etc of Arabs. My culture and society is Pashtunwali. But if Pashtunwali is against human rights like the traditions of Swara, selling daughters, burqa etc then I dont consider it Pashtunwali and I request for reforming Pashtun society in this regard.

My political ideology is based on the concepts of democracy, secularism and liberalism. I am more a realist and strong believer in nation state, not in concepts like khilafat, Umma, Christendom etc.

In Economics I believe in state controlled capitalism, free market forces. At the same time I strongly believe in social justice and development for all with sustainability and environmental protection. Poverty must be alleviated and extirpated.

I believe that Mulla is for the mosque and others are for politics, economy, culture etc.Mulla or Talib has nothing to do with politics, economy and culture. Jihad or war can only and only be undertaken by a state and not by individuals or groups which is not war but terrorism.

I consider the G8 standard of life as a goal for the 70 million Pashtuns. I prefer Israel to the dictators of Arabs. I am impressed how this tiny satte inspite of all problems got some much advancement. I wish peace in Middle East. I wish Palestine become an independent full fledged state as a good neighbor of Israel and hence no more blood shed there. I wish Palestine as strong as Israel.

We are having and will have good debates on these issues. Lets share and learn, not teach, dictate, impose or control.

[Shlombay]

since salaudin and co have a free pass to say whatever they want under the pretext of free speech.
it seems we Pukhtane should let our voice be heard to counter these propagandists,haters,islamphobes.

i have seen many of their post contain a massege of hatred such as this new one about waziri and maseed Pukhtane.

i dont think this webiste can succeed in its pro Pukhtun goals since there are enough anti Pukhtun people with more freedom to derail the process.

if you think these so called atheist "Pukhtane" will have positive intetions than you are dreaming.

anyway we are on ourselves,i dont think there is a debate with such people since they dont represent or reflect Pukhtane.

stop crying for no reason. YOU ARE BLOWING THIS WAY OUT OF PROPORTION. HAVE YOU READ YOUR POSTS? THERE ARE ONLY 3 ATHIESTS LEFT HERE AND EVERYONE ELSE MUSLIM. PASHTUN MAIDAN NA PREGDEY.

LET OSHO VOICE HIS OPINION. THE SAME WAY YOU VOICE YOUR OPINION. LET ME VOICE MY AMERICAN OPINION AS WELL. DO NOT TRY TO CONTROL US. THIS IS NOT KUNAR OR KANDAHAR. THIS IS A PASHTUN FORUM WHERE WE PASHTUNS VOICE OUR OPINION AND HOW WE FEEL ABOUT ISSUES.

PLEASE DO NOT FORCE YOUR OPINION OSHO. RESPECT HIS OPINION AND DISAGREE AND KEEP YOUR WAY MOVING. I DO NOT LIKE SANGAR YOU DO NOT SEE ME MAKING THREADS ABOUT HIM? HE LIVES IN HOLLAND AND SPEAKS ABOUT SHARIAH LAW. HE REMINDS ME OF THAT CHOUDHURY DOOFUS.

IF YOU DARE TO ATTACK ME I WILL NOTIFY PFTECH. I AM RELATED TO PFTECH SO DONT YOU DARE MESS WITH ME.

[Alchemist]

In this modern era of communication boom, to ban some one or something is not the solution. If not here they can go to some where else, can join other forums, can have their own sites ,forums, blogs, can write in newspapers, magazines, can deliver lectures, can join political parties

Hence if some is really sure that some one has bad ideas then argue with them, convince them, educate them, engage them, talk to them, present your own case in a better way, have stronger proofs otherwise they will go some where else and will be beyond your reach .

Personally I believe in few very simple notions. My religion is Islam. I believe in oneness of God, finality of the prophethood of Muhammad, I believe in angels, hereafter, holy books. I try to offer prayers, observe ramadan, pay zakat, will go to Hajj one day and I believe in most of the religious morality like dont tell lie, dont kill, dont cheat, dont adulterate, dont call names, dont back bite, be virtuous, righteous, be honest, true, etc.

But I dont believe in the culture, dress codes etc of Arabs. My culture and society is Pashtunwali. But if Pashtunwali is against human rights like the traditions of Swara, selling daughters, burqa etc then I dont consider it Pashtunwali and I request for reforming Pashtun society in this regard.

My political ideology is based on the concepts of democracy, secularism and liberalism. I am more a realist and strong believer in nation state, not in concepts like khilafat, Umma, Christendom etc.

In Economics I believe in state controlled capitalism, free market forces. At the same time I strongly believe in social justice and development for all with sustainability and environmental protection. Poverty must be alleviated and extirpated.

I believe that Mulla is for the mosque and others are for politics, economy, culture etc.Mulla or Talib has nothing to do with politics, economy and culture. Jihad or war can only and only be undertaken by a state and not by individuals or groups which is not war but terrorism.

I consider the G8 standard of life as a goal for the 70 million Pashtuns. I prefer Israel to the dictators of Arabs. I am impressed how this tiny satte inspite of all problems got some much advancement. I wish peace in Middle East. I wish Palestine become an independent full fledged state as a good neighbor of Israel and hence no more blood shed there. I wish Palestine as strong as Israel.

We are having and will have good debates on these issues. Lets share and learn, not teach, dictate, impose or control.

You do realize that you are contradicting your self through and through.


Democracy is the opposite of Islam.

The State of Israel has declared war on Muslims. Did you forget about the Turks killed in the open seas? Did you forget about the palestinian killed in Dubai? And you were told about all this in the other thread. You give great advice to others to engage and debate. But I have challenged you enough times on your moronic claims but never once did you respond. This is because you know I am on to your games. It's better you get banned if you are going to persist on spreading such dialectical nonsense ...preaching materialism on one hand and vainly seeking spiritualism on the other ...shiri oshoparak.

[Shlombay]

Shehbaza
you are dragging this for no reason
why are you defending people who are looking down on your people?

btw love your new SIG

you are a good man brother. i am starting to like you.