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  • Secular India: Anti Muslim Shivaji statue to guard Bombay shores

    SHOULD A SECULAR SOCIETY HONOR A CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE WHO IS NOW AN ICON OF COMMUNALISM AND ISLAMPHOBIA IN BHARAT?
    There are fault lines between the Hindu Muslim ecumenical harmony. No where are the fault lines sharper than in the discussion of the protagonists in Battle of Pratapgarh fought on November 30, 1659. The battle was fought between the Adil Shah’s forces (an ally of the Mughals) and the renegades who were against the state. To say the very least the controversial Shivaji is not considered a person of any high reputation by contemporary historians. Secular Indian consider it just a battle between two armies, however the Hinduvata consider is a battle between Muslims and Hindus.

    The statue of Shivaji stands in Mumbai. This is ironic–because Bombay was built by the British after the Port of Surat had silted over. Surats merchants disliked having to bribe and pacify the warrior Shivaji, who looted Surat seven times beginning in 1664. These merchants were moved to Bombay by the British.

    It is pedagogical to note that both armies had Hindus and Muslims.
    Afzal Khan’s army had many Hindus, and the several able generals of Shivaji were Muslims (Siddi Halal, Siddi Wahwah,Nur Khan Baig, Qazi Haider, Shama Khan etc). This was not a battle between Hindus and Muslims, it is was battle for the integrity of the state–the same battle that raged between Delhi and the South (during the reign of Aurenzeb)–the same battle that rages between Delhi and the Naxals and Tamils today.

    By eulogizing the local insurgent as a hero, the Hindu Mahasabah is in fact encouraging the Naxals to claim that Delhi’s rule is illegal and that it is OK to rebel against the central authority. If Shivijai’s struggle was against invaders, so the Dalit struggle against the Aryan armies of Arjun was also legitimate.

    In a secular society the country the rights of the secularists, the minorities and Muslims are being trampled. Building a statue for a controversial figure who now represents opposition to all Muslims will surely exacerbate Hindu-Muslim relations not only in Bharat but on her bloody borders.

    Let us look into the seeds of time and see what makes Shivaji such a controversial figure.

    New versions of revisionist history are being propagated , but credible historians agree on these facts which are not in dispute.
    • Facing a huge Army Shivaji sent a letter saying he was not eager to face Afzal Khan in battle, and he wanted a negotiated settlement.
    • Facing imminent defeat by the overwhelming force Shivaji decided to meet Afzal Khan under the guise of diplomatic negotiations.
    • Afzal Khan, after leaving Bijapur wanted agreed to meet Shivaji in an open ground without arms and under normal diplomatic norms of peace and honesty.
    • Face to face diplomacy was considered a matter of integrity for the Mughals.
    • A meeting was arranged between Afzal Khan and Shivaji at the foothills of Fort Pratapgad.
    • A wanted criminal, Shivaji was was not greeted with a rainfall of arrows and was not attacked by 25 Adil Shah’s soldiers. He was accorded safe passage.
    • Afzal Khan had a large physical stature leading a battle hardened veteran army. He considered this assignment as a small matter of stamping out a pesky regional chieftain who was physically weak and in to position to fight the mighty Adil Shahi Army.
    • Shivaji prepared carefully and diligently for this encounter; he secretly armed himself with sharp metal razor weapon called wagh nakh (tiger claw), and chilkhat (armour) prior to the meeting.
    • Afzal Khan embraced him before the commencement of supposed negotiations
    • During the embrace Shivaji surreptitiously attacked AfzalKhan with the “wagh nakh” and “bich’hwa“, spilling his blood and entrails on the ground.
    His fight was not for hindu kingdom as painted by hindu fanatics. His most trusted general in all his campaigns was Haider Ali Kohari; Darya Sarang was chief of armory; Ibrahim Khan and Daulat Khan were prominent in the navy; and Siddi Ibrahim was chief of artillery.
    One third of his supporter were MUSLIMS & he had pathans support as well after pashtun rebellion against mughal empire due to failed ECONOMIC policy.
    Top officials with him include: 1) Siddi Halal, 2) Siddi Wahwah, 3) Nur Khan Baig, 4) Qazi Haider, 5) Shama Khan


    The Mughal forces under Shaista Khan (January 1660) who took revenge of the murder of their ally Adil Shah were of course a huge conglomeration of Sikh, Marhatta, Rajput, Hindu, Muslim, and other forces. In fact one of Aurenzeb’s disowned sons who did not succeed in overthrowing the king was part of the Shivaji army.

    Aurenzeb had an ecumenical household. He had at least two Hindu wives Nawab Bai, daughter of Kashmir’s Raja Raju, and Udaipuri Mahal.


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    shiviji
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    *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

    Originally posted by Karachi
    like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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    sorry But by nature secularism doesnt promote one religion over another... India supports muslims by helping them with Hajj... muslims In India have it better than Pakis... this is just another pro-pakistan mumbo jumbo piece of news... get over it the majority of pashtuns here hate pakistan.
    Last edited by Dreamer; 01-18-2011, 04:26 PM.
    Frater aliquis in fide nec fratrem humanitatis


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    • #3
      well iv never followed anybody just because the majority does.. i mean why be a sheep. and i guess those people that hate pakistan would rather want a hindu state than a muslim one. pakistan is a muslim country, there is no muslim country that isnt currupt, including afghanistan,saudi arabia, iran etc. concentrate on changing it into a true islamic republic instead of having tantrums about it and wanting it abolished. theres always room for improvment it would be stupid to throw a muslim country away. long live every muslim country and by gods grace justice will rule our lands be it somalia, bosnia or pakistan
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      *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

      Originally posted by Karachi
      like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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      • #4
        by the way, this hindu shivji murdered akbar khan in the most cowordice way, he was fighting for hindu imperialism, he is now the hero of india. that is the issue. not pakistan.
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        *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

        Originally posted by Karachi
        like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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        • #5
          did shivji really look like that picture?

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          • #6
            what is a statue going to do?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by єѕαρχαι
              @feroza

              Probably they dont like dark heroes with average indian skin tone.
              lol.. i guess. i mean this shivji looks more of a pashtoon than an Indian to me.

              but i know that sikhs are very light and have beautiful features. he isn't sikh either.

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              • #8
                Feroza stop falling in love with a Hindu cartoon lol
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                *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                Originally posted by Karachi
                like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
                  what is a statue going to do?

                  its a statement
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                  *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                  Originally posted by Karachi
                  like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                  • #10
                    I have seen that Shivaji statue.

                    I have always disliked him, and it's true that Surat was a thriving port
                    when Mumbai was a relative zero.

                    Surat sounds much nicer than either Bombay [sounds bombastic]
                    or Mumbai [ sounds like a name of an Indian sweet confection or else
                    a tonic herb.]

                    Why don't we revive Surat and ditch Bombay altogether?
                    Then the statue will be irrelevant.

                    The picture looks duplicitous and goopy...

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                    • #11
                      Manzareh,

                      Why don't you get a life and stop spreading stale Pakistani propaganda against India. I am not surprised that you didn't post the link of the so-called "historical" [LOL !!] farticle. Because you have taken it from [ surprise !!] PAKPATRIOTS.COM.

                      Here is the link, so that other members can also see for themselves the gutter that this filth has come from.
                      Shivaji | Pakistan Patriot

                      BTW if you look to the right pane of the f-article you will notice some hilarious headlines like :

                      The inevitable Reunification of Afghanistan and Pakistan

                      Maldives should acceede to Pakistan

                      All neighbors want to throw India out of TAPI

                      and .. [ Drumbeats]

                      ANP is the culprit behind terrorism in Karachi
                      tsk tsk .. the pesky pathans of ANP are RAW agints, no ?


                      Manzareh wrora, never knew you were also an acolyte of Jahil Hamid and his gang .


                      @feroza

                      I am surprised that a lover of "bollywood" trash is surprised that some Indians are as pretty as Pashtuns !

                      Not all of us are short, black and ugly !
                      Vande Mataram - Lata Mangeshkar - YouTube

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                      • #12
                        Manzareh: Dont follow the Pakistani blogs, man. All that they produce is hate filled anti-India propaganda. Read some history books by western/neutral authors if you are interested in Indian history. I can refer you some good books if you want.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by drona View Post
                          Manzareh,

                          Why don't you get a life and stop spreading stale Pakistani propaganda against India. I am not surprised that you didn't post the link of the so-called "historical" [LOL !!] farticle. Because you have taken it from [ surprise !!] PAKPATRIOTS.COM.

                          Here is the link, so that other members can also see for themselves the gutter that this filth has come from.
                          Shivaji | Pakistan Patriot

                          BTW if you look to the right pane of the f-article you will notice some hilarious headlines like :

                          The inevitable Reunification of Afghanistan and Pakistan

                          Maldives should acceede to Pakistan

                          All neighbors want to throw India out of TAPI

                          and .. [ Drumbeats]

                          ANP is the culprit behind terrorism in Karachi
                          tsk tsk .. the pesky pathans of ANP are RAW agints, no ?


                          Manzareh wrora, never knew you were also an acolyte of Jahil Hamid and his gang .


                          @feroza

                          I am surprised that a lover of "bollywood" trash is surprised that some Indians are as pretty as Pashtuns !

                          Not all of us are short, black and ugly !

                          We'r all adults here, so why not refute the post instead of pointing fingers and stupid drum beats to deviate from the topic. how can you expect hugs from Pakistanis when your clearly against the Islamic republic of Pakistan and constantly spread hate at any chance you get. You havent got us fooled, we all know what your doing here, you hate pakistan because its a MUSLIM country that gained independance from a Hindu one, clearly your not happy, hense the plastic smile to the pashtuns here that are against the currupt government of Pakistan and act like pashtuns should have a common enemy with you. but the fact is that even if it wasnt a currupt government youd still be against the mooon and star next door no matter how much you try and fool yourself. pull the other leg.
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                          *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                          Originally posted by Karachi
                          like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KhalsaWarrior View Post
                            Manzareh: Dont follow the Pakistani blogs, man. All that they produce is hate filled anti-India propaganda. Read some history books by western/neutral authors if you are interested in Indian history. I can refer you some good books if you want.
                            In actuality, india has no real history other than being dominated by Muslim rulers for dozens upon dozens of centuries.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by drona View Post

                              @feroza

                              I am surprised that a lover of "bollywood" trash is surprised that some Indians are as pretty as Pashtuns !

                              Not all of us are short, black and ugly !
                              haha... no i didn't mean anything negative by what i wrote... i meant to say that his features are more like pashtoon... actually average pashtoons are not that good looking either... he would be catagorized as a very handsome pashtoon haha...

                              anyways, i think pakistanis need to get a life so much obsession with India... its getting sad now.

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