Opinions about body piercing!!

[torkham]

premise 1: Primitive societies lack consciousness. Hence they are called "primitive"premise 2: Primitive societies commonly self mutilate themselves.

Premise 3: Modern people self mutilate themselves.

Conclusion: Modern people lack self consciousness

reference to your first premise [Primitive societies lack consciousness. Hence they are called "primitive"], if primitive societies lack consciousness, surely it therefore implies primitive societies are unconscious, and this would lead to your connclusion requiring adjusting, something like "modern people are unconscious". ok tautology

now, my thoughts kuchi and bedouin women; you will observe facial tattoos. bedouin culture predates islam (kuchi culture i am not certain of its origin), however there isn't vociferous campaign in hadith against such practices. I am looking for strong campaign, in same intensity as prohibition of alcohol and swine.

my natural feelings are against tattoos, as some one mentioned, sanctity of wudu is washed away, it is clear makeup has to be removed, makeup, like tattoo is decoration.

ear lobe piercings, ok.
nose piercing is too much like dothead culture.
any other piercing is alien.

best solution for practice; sunna.

[Alchemist]

reference to your first premise [Primitive societies lack consciousness. Hence they are called "primitive"], if primitive societies lack consciousness, surely it therefore implies primitive societies are unconscious, and this would lead to your connclusion requiring adjusting, something like "modern people are unconscious". ok tautology

now, my thoughts kuchi and bedouin women; you will observe facial tattoos. bedouin culture predates islam (kuchi culture i am not certain of its origin), however there isn't vociferous campaign in hadith against such practices. I am looking for strong campaign, in same intensity as prohibition of alcohol and swine.

my natural feelings are against tattoos, as some one mentioned, sanctity of wudu is washed away, it is clear makeup has to be removed, makeup, like tattoo is decoration.

ear lobe piercings, ok.
nose piercing is too much like dothead culture.
any other piercing is alien.

best solution for practice; sunna.

Salam

I didn't say that they are "unconscious" but that they lack it. And the word lack in this context means that they are "ignorant". Jahil. (Couldn't use the word jahil for a someone who doesn't know what it means). And yes modern man is jahil. tautology? What..ever.


Even if you search the books of ahadith, those that make markings on their bodies, including the bedoins and the kuchis, are deemed jahil. The Sahaba considered it a reminent of the days of Jahiliya.

The ulama of deen are "vocifurious" even for plucking eye brows, because they consider the act to be "changing the khalq of Allah", so obviously piercings and dots follow the same line of logic.

There wasn't a "strong campaign" against khamr even during the times of the holy prophet peace be upon him. He just said to his companions that they shouldn't do it, and they didn't question him or disobey him.

[Alchemist]

smoking chilam is a symbol of beauty in your culture? if so, u have every right to feel offended.

it's a symbol of coolness...


You should not be offended if I just called the practice of dotting tattooes as an act of jahiliya. It is what it is. And you can't deny it.

[faye]

in what way are primitive people lacking in consciousness and what are they ignorant of, alchemist?

[Alchemist]

Sometimes I use the word primitive in the primordial sense and not a value judgment.

The primitive mind is mainly heuristical.
Civilization contrasts against the primitive. So look up the qualities that make a society civilized, and you will see what is lacking in a primitive society.

Definition of Self:

self \Self\, n.; pl. Selves. 1. The individual as the object of his own reflective consciousness; the man viewed by his own cognition as the subject of all his mental phenomena, the agent in his own activities, the subject of his own feelings, and the possessor of capacities and character; a person as a distinct individual; a being regarded as having personality.

And when I say "lacking consciousness", I mean that they are "under the influence" of their subconscious. And if you want to know what I mean by the Subconscious...we'll have to start a new thread.

[IamDZJ]

Do what you truley Believe in. It's your life. Don't be influenced by society on either side from fear of what society deems acceptable.
I did what I did to assist morons like you to be what you truley are by having fun with coming up with lame ideas and assumptions of as to why it is that I do what it is that I do.
you are welcome.

[Gulbabo]

it's a symbol of coolness...


You should not be offended if I just called the practice of dotting tattooes as an act of jahiliya. It is what it is. And you can't deny it.

for our culture, coolness has no meaning.

i don't think u have the right to decide for me, what i find offensive and what i dont.

[Alchemist]

Do what you truley Believe in. It's your life. Don't be influenced by society on either side from fear of what society deems acceptable.
I did what I did to assist morons like you to be what you truley are by having fun with coming up with lame ideas and assumptions of as to why it is that I do what it is that I do.
you are welcome.

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[Alchemist]

for our culture, coolness has no meaning.

tell that to this guy

[IamDZJ]

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Nice alchemist.. Sit. Sit down.... Alchemist sit down or you are not getting a doggy treat.

If that is how you want it to be then by all means, be my guest.

[faye]

Sometimes I use the word primitive in the primordial sense and not a value judgment.

The primitive mind is mainly heuristical.
Civilization contrasts against the primitive. So look up the qualities that make a society civilized, and you will see what is lacking in a primitive society.

Definition of Self:

self \Self\, n.; pl. Selves. 1. The individual as the object of his own reflective consciousness; the man viewed by his own cognition as the subject of all his mental phenomena, the agent in his own activities, the subject of his own feelings, and the possessor of capacities and character; a person as a distinct individual; a being regarded as having personality.

And when I say "lacking consciousness", I mean that they are "under the influence" of their subconscious. And if you want to know what I mean by the Subconscious...we'll have to start a new thread.

you have been conditioned well, by the books written by white supremicists. good on you.
check out AUSRALIAN ABORIGINAL kINSHIP and then try telling me these people are unconscious, semi conscious or whatever you deem them to be. you've read the books, i have lived and worked with the primitive people. burn those books, they are racist and assuming, like you.

[khashayar]

I am getting my belly button pierced....like soon possibly. I asked my mom (cause i am a goodie two shoes :D) she said its alright because its my personal thing, and no one can see it. Culturally and religiously, there is nothing wrong with it.

As far as tacky, if your whole body is pierced and so much facial piercings, that is tacky. There should be a limit to it.

So did ya? Or did u chicken out?

I knew a hijabi she had her belly pierced and she showed me. But she was mental...anways.

[akbarkhan]

Hi all..................

i wanted to know what opinion people hold on body piercing.............this includes belly button, upperlip, eyebrow............etc. What do you all think about body piercings do you think they look tacky? what view do you hold on them culturally, religiously, secularly.......all opinions are welcome.

I have a question.

Groupies and other bimbos get it done because they don't cover their abdominal area. Why create such an spectacle when the only person who is going to see it is going to be yourself (assumption on my part)?

*Note to self* - Where is the world....

[Laila]

I thought only ear piercings were permissible?

Recently i went to this conference for my masjid, and this topic was brought up. It was said that any other both piercing is considered haram and a mutilation to one's body. Now i still dont to see how an ear piercing does not fall under this.

I have changed my mind about body piercings.....but i still love the nose one

[gussie]

Always ask the piercing professional how to take proper care of your body piercing to ensure quick healing. You need to clean the area once you are done with the process.Sterilization is all-important in body piercing -- the piercing area must be sterile, the piercer's hands must be sterile, the tools used must be sterile, and the piercing needle must be sterile.