Opinions about body piercing!!

[Laila]

i'm sure some perverts find that stimulating too

maybe so just watch for the next post lol

[Wrayun]

roadrunner,

I can agree that different cultures will have different standards of conservativeness. But then this is of course cultural modesty rather than religious modesty. So show me where it says in Pakhtunwali that the elbows and knees are private parts.

So what is it that stops the fathers of these young ladies from appreciating the beautifying quality of a belly ring? Is it their cultural Pukhtoon conservativeness or religious?

You never stated whether you are Pukhtoon or not (as far as I know), debating or making you understand Pukhtoonwale will be futile. But, elbows and knees are far greater things, midst Pukhtoons even the NAME of a female, yup, the NAME, is considered a "private"...let alone elbows, knees, feet, eyes or face.

Might I ask you where you grew up, and how much Pukhtoonwale have you experienced...if any?

No. If it doesn't turn you on, you're like me. When the call of duty arrives, then your potency is required. It's just a metal piercing. I don't get what's so arousing about it. Breasts can be i suppose, but even then a gentleman probably wouldn't be.

Well I don't know where you are from, but in our normal conservative culture, in fact I think in any normal environment, a naval ring embodying the sexuality of a female (as it is the fashion with such a sex symbol), and breasts (no matter big or small), should be stimulating. The only time it isn't is when you are desensitized to it...how is that possible? By constant exposure = PERVERSION..or maybe your gay..whatever.

I think it makes an individual a greater pervert that they'll need extreme dozes of sensuality to be aroused. Imagine the damage it would have on females psychologically. What does she gotta do now? All the stuff they inject, stuff, and put on their bodies...all of it done to look attractive (that means having an arousing effect)..no longer works. Poor them.

Gentleman? lulz hahahahahahaha that's what they call men at strip joints.

Could you elaborate? I didn't call myself moderate or cool, but thanks for thinking I am. I'm just me though. Is it not perverse to be turned on by metal?

Nope, not just a metal. It is what that metal is for, where it's at, and what are the cultural significance of it. Your so juvenile.....it's almost cute.

and come on...you know you are cool, mature, down to with the trends, gentleman...

Someone else suggested perhaps jokingly to show it, not me, was my point. It's up to her whether she wants to show it. She may consider it private, or just not want perverts looking even if it was her ingrowing toenail that was pierced.

So does that mean that her father is a pervert...most of the girls here says that their fathers wont allow it...Or maybe the fathers are not gentlemanly..maybe they are a bunch of 7th century neanderthals. How dare they, so strict and rigged, backward of them! So perverse...it's just a metal.


Laila,

Okay, can you guys please stop. You are really making me look bad, i sure hell do not appreciate that.

The thread asked for opinion on body piercings. I gave my two cent and said i havent been convinced enough that it is haram, and as far as I have been told by numerous people it is not, and i want it down for my own reasons. No one will see it, no one needs to see it, its really of no one's business. But i sure hell dont appreciate anyone's sarcastic tone.

Sorry if you think this was meant to make you look bad. Just wanted to point out how some gentlemen can come off looking like total fundies while trying to be "moderate". No one can make you look bad, except yourself.

Though I like to ask why is it that your father doesn't agree?

Instead of your friends telling you that hey, be considerate towards your father (whatever his reasons may be), don't do anything that will jeopardize your trust and relationship with him, they are cheering you to do it. Maybe they are right...your father is probably insane, illiterate, a barbarian who drives a cab...just doesn't understand it.

But I'm sure your a mature woman, with a mind of your own, not easily influenced.

[roadrunner]

roadrunner,
So what is it that stops the fathers of these young ladies from appreciating the beautifying quality of a belly ring? Is it their cultural Pukhtoon conservativeness or religious?

Some do appreciate it. It's like earrings to some. It's nothing to do with sex.

You never stated whether you are Pukhtoon or not (as far as I know), debating or making you understand Pukhtoonwale will be futile. But, elbows and knees are far greater things, midst Pukhtoons even the NAME of a female, yup, the NAME, is considered a "private"...let alone elbows, knees, feet, eyes or face.

Might I ask you where you grew up, and how much Pukhtoonwale have you experienced...if any?

You do realize there have been many times in Pashtun history when women, Pashtun women, were showing their knees, elbows and every other "sexual" joint? What part of Pashtunwali says that a woman must not show the belly? If the belly is considered as honor then yes, she must not show it according to pashtunwali. But who determines what is and what is honorable to show? The society of course. And societies outside of pashtun lands have a different sense of what is honorable and what is not.

Well I don't know where you are from, but in our normal conservative culture, in fact I think in any normal environment, a naval ring embodying the sexuality of a female (as it is the fashion with such a sex symbol), and breasts (no matter big or small), should be stimulating. The only time it isn't is when you are desensitized to it...how is that possible? By constant exposure = PERVERSION..or maybe your gay..whatever.

I don't disagree that different cultures will define "private" in different ways. Unless you closet someone in a room in America or wherever you are, you will not get the same definition as someone in the Pashtun lands. Global telecommunications also has an impact in influencing cultures nowadays.

I think it makes an individual a greater pervert that they'll need extreme dozes of sensuality to be aroused. Imagine the damage it would have on females psychologically. What does she gotta do now? All the stuff they inject, stuff, and put on their bodies...all of it done to look attractive (that means having an arousing effect)..no longer works. Poor them.

I don't think that's true. It's more of a money thing. The tribes in africa that run around naked don't get any injections. Even in conservative societies such as Iran it is fairly common to "put such stuff in them".

Gentleman? lulz hahahahahahaha that's what they call men at strip joints.

You have such a one tracked mind. The word Gentlemen is used in many places, not only strip joints.

Nope, not just a metal. It is what that metal is for, where it's at, and what are the cultural significance of it. Your so juvenile.....it's almost cute.

Would you agree that I don't get turned on by metal in a belly button though?

and come on...you know you are cool, mature, down to with the trends, gentleman...

Why do I get the impression you think everyone is like you?

So does that mean that her father is a pervert...most of the girls here says that their fathers wont allow it...Or maybe the fathers are not gentlemanly..maybe they are a bunch of 7th century neanderthals. How dare they, so strict and rigged, backward of them! So perverse...it's just a metal.

I don't know how many fathers would allow it or not like you. I suppose some would and some would not. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that none of those fathers would look at it as a sexual object. Some might find it beautiful of course, but not in a sexual way. If they can look at it like that, I'm sure others can also. I think you're a bit juvenile.

[Wrayun]

roadrunner,

Since you are not a Pukhtoon, it's futile to carry on any discussion with you in regards to Pukhtoons or Pukhtoonwale. Of course, I am not saying that we can't discuss issues with non-Pukhtoons, but with people like you who try to come off as someone that know what they are talking about while referring to Pukhtoonyat, Pukhtoonwale etc. it's a waste of time since you haven't disclosed who you are, where you are from (besides being a Paki)...and what not.

Wrayun shall refrain from feeding the troll further. No fun in arguing for the sake of the argument.

aaadieu!

[roadrunner]

roadrunner,

Since you are not a Pukhtoon, it's futile to carry on any discussion with you in regards to Pukhtoons or Pukhtoonwale. Of course, I am not saying that we can't discuss issues with non-Pukhtoons, but with people like you who try to come off as someone that know what they are talking about while referring to Pukhtoonyat, Pukhtoonwale etc. it's a waste of time since you haven't disclosed who you are, where you are from (besides being a Paki)...and what not.

Wrayun shall refrain from feeding the troll further. No fun in arguing for the sake of the argument.

aaadieu!

lol. feel free. I've already had one guy run off debating from me. You're not the first. The point of posting is to reply to things and set the record straight. For example, when i say who determines what is honorable in Pashtunwali, you point out the page and reference, or whatever it is, that says, "this is honour, this is not honour". You clearly cannot do this. This is you being juvenile, not me trolling.

[IamDZJ]

hydrogen peroxide should never be used on a wound that is exposed. it will leave a scar on your skin and sea salt irritates the wound. bio septic and tea tree oil works on some people and it's useless for some others. polysporin will also irritate the wound but it does get rid of the infection eventually.
i had an infection that lasted me 6 months because i was too stubborn to remove my jewel and let it heal. every time it would get near to looking like a decent wound, i would either punch it or get my jewelery caught in something. i tried all of the above and they were all useless. i went to the doctor who said if i didn't remove it, i will lose my the shape of my eyebrow eventually. he gave me something called fucidic acid. i used it in the morning, by afternoon the wound was just a red mark. by next day after noon even the mark was gone. three more days of using that and the entire wound was gone. me and my piercing are living happily ever after.

[Senorita]

Wow
I think ear rings and a nose ring are good but piercing the belly is a bad idea I think unless you are engaged or married and have his permission to do so. Some Pashtun men & women feel strongly that belly piercings are done only by dancing girls/prostitutes.

[IamDZJ]

it's not a belly piercing. i think if one finds the need to pierce something that they are not going to show in public then there is no point in talking about it in public either. and yes, it is a personal choice.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

i want to get a tatoo...im thinking one of rahman babas classic lines

[IamDZJ]

just because pimps have a fascination with tattoos shouldn't mean the rest of us should be labeled as such for sharing an interest as such with them unless you are getting the word "pimp" tattooed on yourself.
i m sure more than half of you middle aged pashtanas have excused yourselves with your skinny jeans at the moment. not that there is anything wrong with it but please don't limit prostitution to a piece of drawing on some one's skin.
da yaw insaan pa insaan pejandalo wass taso ki shta na dey aow toll da jinnat pa tamma nast ye.
i fine them tacky for other reasons than the fear of God.

[IamDZJ]

It's haram and for us Muslims that is enough for us to not follow with tattoos.

okay bibi haji. whatever you say.

[Roshina]

Lol, don't you want to be an Islamic scholar?

Nope. Who told you that? I certainly never did. I just want to study and learn for the rest of my life to better myself as an individual. I have no desire to be a scholar.

But about the post ... okay, if they/you say so. You clearly don't have a problem with it and would live your life according to their whims and interpretations; I prefer a different lifestyle, guley.

[Fahd]

I prefer a different lifestyle, guley.

huh ?
diffrenet mind is better

im not talkin else about what u just wrote

hmm i want also diffrenet style

lolz

[khashayar]

All women should get belly button piercings. They're hot!! :hot:

[eyeliner]

^coming from Tamika........lol