More Pashtun women should be involved in music and arts

[Manzareh]

100% assertive it's common sense ....even though we just showed you Hadith where the Prophet (saw) not only ALLOWED Music, which you claim he thinks is Satanic; but even encouraged Aisha to send a singer to entertain someone

but somehow you were 100% certain irregardless of the evidence eh?

The human voice is not haraam, but when you speak of singing and dancing on TV we all know you dont mean a nasheed.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Yes he would, he let a man urinate in the masjid.

todo with why he never closed the satanic instruments down on the spot only allah knows, but when you stop somebody abrubtly and in a rude way its shaming them up, as a result of this they might not even listen to you, the chance for them stopping the satanic act might never stop because of this, however if you let them carry on and later sit them down and explain to them they will stop the satanic act, thats just from the top of MY head, who knows the wisdom of Muhammad SAW and when he chose to speak his words or explain the laws of Allah.

Wrong; He never gave the man PERMISSION to urinate in the Masjid; in the situation you mention he prevented the Sahaba from ABUSING the man for doing so but intsead told the man that what he was doing is wrong.


In The hadith I showed you; he not only told Abu Bakr(ra) to not restrain them, he PERMITTED them to sing, Sanctioned it by saying these are the days of Id'. and 'Id is are some of the holiest days of Islam

How can those two scenariios be comparable AT ALL . Astaghifurllah, you just said Nabi(saw) would actually PERMIT Satanic Acts , and you question MY Islam eh? That's the problem with people like you. Hypocrisy.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The human voice is not haraam, but when you speak of singing and dancing on TV we all know you dont mean a nasheed.

You're saying Bu'ath is a Nasheed?

Bu'ath is about a battle between two Arab trinbes how would that be nasheed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bu'ath

[RevolutionThroughReason]

even if it was allowed, the audience they would have had back then is not the same as the perverts cheering up for their "liberty" today. So what is the point??

You're right, they were actually much worse, Pagan arabia used to have women making Tawaf naked around a Ka'aba

[Manzareh]

Wrong; He never gave the man PERMISSION to urinate in the Masjid; in the situation you mention he prevented the Sahaba from ABUSING the man for doing so but intsead told the man that what he was doing is wrong.


In The hadith I showed you; he not only told Abu Bakr(ra) PERMITTED them to sing, Sanctioned it by saying these are the days of Id'

How can those two scenariios be comparable AT ALL . Astaghifurllah, you just said Nabi(saw) would actually PERMIT Satanic Acts , and you question MY Islam eh? That's the problem with people like you. Hypocrisy.

When a Bedouin began to urinate in the mosque, Muhammad told the people to allow him to finish

later He told the Bedouin that urine and other filth do not belong in a mosque


Astaghfirullah your now saying that the prophet SAW intentionally went to a place and listened to music, they were already sining bu'ath just as the man was already urinating. Your blasphemy has no bounds

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Yes he would, he let a man urinate in the masjid.

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So this is what you call letting someone urinate in a Masjid?

Anas Bin Maalik said:

While we were in the masjid with the Messenger of Allaah, a Bedouin came; he then urinated in the masjid.

The Companions of the Messenger of Allaah said, “Mah Mah (An expression used to severly scold someone, to indicate the graveness of a matter).”

The Messenger of Allaah said, “Do not put a halt to his urinating, but instead leave him.”

They left him alone until he finished urinating.

The Messenger of Allaah called him over and said to him, “Any kind of urine or filth is not suitable for these masjids. Instead they are only [appropriate] for the remembrance of Allaah, the Prayer, and the recitation of the Qur’aan,” or this is near to what the Messenger of Allaah said.

He (saw) then issued an order to a man from the people, who then came with a bucket of water, which he poured over the [effected] area [of the masjid].

[Related by Muslim in his Saheeh, 285]

and you're saying .because he let this man who out of ignorance urinated in a Masjid .....it means he would say this?

Narrates ‘A’ishah (rta): The Messenger (sws) of God came to my residence while two female singers were singing the songs of Bu‘ath.1 The Holy Prophet (sws) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Meanwhile Abu Bakr (rta) entered and [seeing the singers] rebuked me thus: ‘Satanic musical instruments in the presence of the Holy Prophet (sws)?’ On hearing this God’s Messenger (sws) turned towards him and said: ‘Let them [sing and rejoice]’. When Abu Bakr was engaged in some other business, I signaled to the girls [to go out] and they left. It was on the ‘Id day.2 (Bukhari, No: 907)

[Manzareh]

You're saying Bu'ath is a Nasheed?

Bu'ath is about a battle between two Arab trinbes how would that be nasheed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bu'ath

Calm down manipulator, i never said "Bu'ath was a nasheed" i used the term nasheed sarcastically meaning we actually know what your perverted mind actually means about singing on TV

[Manzareh]

So this is what you call letting someone urinate in a Masjid?




and you're saying .because he let this man who out of ignorance urinated in a Masjid .....it means he would say this?

yes thats what im saying, perhapse he let them play satanic instruments due to their ignorance.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

When a Bedouin began to urinate in the mosque, Muhammad told the people to allow him to finish

later He told the Bedouin that urine and other filth do not belong in a mosque


Astaghfirullah your now saying that the prophet SAW intentionally went to a place and listened to music, they were already sining bu'ath just as the man was already urinating. Your blasphemy has no bounds

Now you're deliberately lying ......so much for Fearing Allah? this is what the hadith says.

Anas Bin Maalik said:

While we were in the masjid with the Messenger of Allaah, a Bedouin came; he then urinated in the masjid.

The Companions of the Messenger of Allaah said, “Mah Mah (An expression used to severly scold someone, to indicate the graveness of a matter).”

The Messenger of Allaah said, “Do not put a halt to his urinating, but instead leave him.”

They left him alone until he finished urinating.

The Messenger of Allaah called him over and said to him, “Any kind of urine or filth is not suitable for these masjids. Instead they are only [appropriate] for the remembrance of Allaah, the Prayer, and the recitation of the Qur’aan,” or this is near to what the Messenger of Allaah said.

He (saw) then issued an order to a man from the people, who then came with a bucket of water, which he poured over the [effected] area [of the masjid].

[Related by Muslim in his Saheeh, 285]

There is no word here where he "allowed" the man to urinate


Now you're actually LYING in the name of the Prophet(saw) ....is that not Blasphemy?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

yes thats what im saying, perhapse he let them play satanic instruments due to their ignorance.

But then why didn't he correct them like he did the man?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Calm down manipulator, i never said "Bu'ath was a nasheed" i used the term nasheed sarcastically meaning we actually know what your perverted mind actually means about singing on TV

But these women were not singing Nasheed, and he allowed them to do it and he isn't correcting their behavior like he did with the Urinating bedouin


You really have NO ground to stand on here and now I caught you ADDING WORDS to the Prophet which he never said, that's the biggest blasphemy here.

[Manzareh]

But then why didn't he correct them like he did the man?

how do you know he never after they finished just as he corrected the man after he finished?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

how do you know he never after they finished just as he corrected the man after he finished?

Because of other hadith relating to the matter, like this one.

Ibn 'Abbas said, " 'Aishah gave a girl relative of hers in marriage to a man of theAnsar. The Prophet (peace be on him) came and asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No,' said 'Aishah. The Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) then said, The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing, 'Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.' " (Reported by Ibn Majah.)

[Manzareh]

Now you're deliberately lying ......so much for Fearing Allah? this is what the hadith says.






There is no word here where he "allowed" the man to urinate


Now you're actually LYING in the name of the Prophet(saw) ....is that not Blasphemy?

“Do not put a halt to his urinating, but instead leave him.”

if that is not ALLOWING, then tell me what is it?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

“Do not put a halt to his urinating, but instead leave him.”

if that is not ALLOWING, then tell me what is it?

it's granting amnesty. Shame on you, changing the words of Nabi(saw) just becuse of your own pathetic ego being wounded. so much for Fearing Allah(swt)?