Pashto Map

[Sheenka]

Those ppl who makes maps of afg it will stay only maps! it wont matter coz afghansitan will never change and i love the way our map is.

[شمله ور خراساني]

in afghanistan, pashtuns are geographically very thinly spread. This is not a lie. its a fact. And most pashtuns live outside Afghanistan. Because of the war.

[Sheenka]

no, sangar most tajkies lives out of afghanistan and pashtuns r dying obviously talibaan r pashtuns and every yr 1000 of them dies

[Master Khan]

I guess I am the blame for this Thread.

[eyeliner]

following with what shinkay said. I think that they randomly estimate the number of people that speaks the language because afghanistan has not had a census in ages, thus the linguistic maps arent accurate. Also in terms of the linguistic maps are the languages recorded in terms of them being spoken as a first language or the mother tongue?

[eyeliner]

I guess I am the blame for this Thread.

why is that?

[Nick]

A) Afghanistan has never ever had its own "Full" accurate Census, only one in 1930s/1950s (Afg gov) in which only population was counted, and another in 1960s (Russia Gov) but not as detailed as the first one.
b) The maps which are represented in Wikipedia, and other western sources as well as Books and encyclopedias always differ and almost 90% wrong.
c) Afghanistan had no truth population count meaning "head count" since 1960 (Russian Gov).
Therefore there is no point of believing in of these maps. However the one map in Wikipedia was created by few Ismailis in 2004 which I witnessed the first time it was created. Those who were in forums 4 year ago know what I am talking about. These maps in Wikipedia continuously presented in forums and Wikipedia, supported by Iranis/Pakis and shias and other anti-Afghans, now has been accepted even by embassy of Slovenia. Yes I was shocked cause when I went into their office was mainly decorated for the Afghan-Slovenia Business opportunists. For god's sake at least more colors would help. But anyways low quality nor not if related to Afghanistan as long as anti-Afghan sentiment is there it will be published.

[Dawezai]

Thanks for inviting to this discussion, Afghanlady.

I agree that it is one of the issues that needs urgent attention. However, an ethnic map would be authentic only if it is sketched by the responsible governmental authority. Drawing an ethnic map seems an impossible task for an individual or a few; however, we can somehow draw attention of the government to this issue. It is also evident that such an effort, even on the part of the government, would be futile unless a census is carried out first. Carrying out a census, again, wouldn't be possible without full-fledged peace.

[eyeliner]

^ but we have fragmented knowledge and it would not be sufficient, a census is necessary.

[eyeliner]

^ prehaps but even that would be based on estimates, what we need is objective data which will be representative. Thus even that wouldnt really be that accurate.

[Dawezai]

Dawezai but the Tajiks created one by just sitting home and according to Nick even embassys use their version og the self reated map. Can't we create our own with our knowledge?

It would be helpful if someone can produce that map here so that we can have a look at it.

[Dawezai]

Eyeliner and Dawezai,

We can use the knowledge we have with a few assumptions to draw a map just like how they did.

First, we need to see this particular map that has supposedly been drawn by one particular ethnic community. If this is true and the map is not genuine then we can work on drawing a genuine one (which seems hard though). But at least such a map would initiate political discussions which may draw attention of the government and the people to the issue.

For practical reasons, let us find out this map and, if it really exists, bring it to the attention of the people and the government.

[Admin Khan]

Dawezai, I was spectating and I decided to do some quick research on this matter:

I went to Google.com and all I typed was Pashto linguistic map. That would be a normal search-query for someone who wants to learn about the status of Pashto in Afghanistan right? Guess what I stumbled upon.



That map is unacceptable.

[Dawezai]

Admin Khan, that map is absolutely unacceptable. I was looking for the ethnic maps of Afghanistan and came across this interesting post at a blog.
Fun With Ethnic Maps

The post is interesting as it has given all the ethnic maps of Afghanistan.

It starts with, "…all the ethnic maps of Afghanistan are inaccurate".
[Roy, Olivier. 1992. ‘Identity and expression in Northern Afghanistan’, in Jo-AnnGross (ed) Muslims in central Asia: Expressions of Identity and Change. Duke University Press.]

I also found that they were planning a census in 2008 which was postponed for two years.

It is shocking to see that even the ethnic maps drawn by CNN and National Geographic are wrong.

[Admin Khan]

Admin Khan, that map is absolutely unacceptable. I was looking for the ethnic maps of Afghanistan and came across this interesting post at a blog.
Fun With Ethnic Maps

The post is interesting as it has given all the ethnic maps of Afghanistan.

It starts with, "…all the ethnic maps of Afghanistan are inaccurate".
[Roy, Olivier. 1992. ‘Identity and expression in Northern Afghanistan’, in Jo-AnnGross (ed) Muslims in central Asia: Expressions of Identity and Change. Duke University Press.]

I also found that they were planning a census in 2008 which was postponed for two years.

It is shocking to see that even the ethnic maps drawn by CNN and National Geographic are wrong.

Dawezai, I am starting to think many of those maps were created by ordinary Forum members of various communities. I don't think it would hurt if we create our own version of the map. It could sort of serve as an unofficial linguistic map.

Now Dawezai, I am against the planning of a census right now in Afghanistan. It will hurt us.