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Pakistan maintains policy of appeasement towards Afghanistan.
The main reason of this hate narrative from Afghanistan's people is the identity crisis , they as a country are going through. There are two dimensions of this identity crisis in Afghanistan.Originally posted by Pakwatan View PostSad to see so many Afghan people hate Pakistani people.
We the people of Pakistan don't hate Afghans or Afghanistan.
I guess Afghan mentality is as cheap as that of Hindu India.
You know you have a psychological issue when seeing a picture of happy people, makes you feel angry.
The word Afghan itself means Pushtun. In Pakistan there are approximately 30 million Pushtuns while Afghanistan has only 13 million, more than twice in Pakistan. Pushtuns tend to be the second biggest ethnic group in Pakistan, they along with Punjabis and Hazarawals dominate the polity (military, bureaucracy). This causes a dilemma in Afghanistan which further feeds into internal rifts, since Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras also are present in Afghanistan and they aren't ethnic Afghans, therefore sometimes from there representatives, there have been demands to change the name of Afghanistan to Khorasan.
It is this dilemma which shapes up the ethno-centric hate narrative which dominated Afghanistan's policy discourse. Hafizullah Amin offered Vajpayee (foreign minister back then) to invade Pakistan from both sides. He even agreed to become hand in glove with the Soviets out of pure hatred for Pakistan, in the end the very same Soviets killed him. Same tragic fate was met by Dr Najib, who on his India trip proposed that a strong Afghanistan and strong India can crush Pakistan from both sides, like wheat is crushed in flour mill. He was hanged too in public with a tragic end. When hate becomes the sole driving force of a country's policies it is bound to implode. Pakistan since inception maintained a policy of appeasement despite frequent diatribes from Afghan leadership. It led the mediation efforts in Quadrilateral peace dialogue which was scuttled when US took out Akhtar Mansoor. Now a statement from Zamir Kabulov, meetings between Chinese and Taliban and invitation of senior Taliban leaders to Iran proves that China, Pakistan, Russia and Iran seek a convergence with Afghan Taliban to neutralize the threat from ascendancy of Islamic State in Afghanistan (specifically in Nangarhar), which has claimed two attacks in Balochistan in 2016.Last edited by Panjnad; 12-16-2016, 03:37 PM.
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Welcome to the forum, hope you have a good time here.Originally posted by Panjnad View PostThe main reason of this hate narrative from Afghanistan's people is the identity crisis , they as a country are going through. There are two dimensions of this identity crisis in Afghanistan.
The word Afghan itself means Pushtun. In Pakistan there are approximately 30 million Pushtuns while Afghanistan has only 13 million, more than twice in Pakistan. Pushtuns tend to be the second biggest ethnic group in Pakistan, they along with Punjabis and Hazarawals dominate the polity (military, bureaucracy). This causes a dilemma in Afghanistan which further feeds into internal rifts, since Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras also are present in Afghanistan and they aren't ethnic Afghans, therefore sometimes from there representatives, there have been demands to change the name of Afghanistan to Khorasan.
To be honest the non Pashtuns in the North/West of Afghanistan don't really know much about Pakistan or care for it, be it politically or culturally. They are much interested and linked to Iran and Central Asia. It is only after the Soviet invasion that they started hating the Pakistani state mainly because most of the American/Saudi money during the Soviet war was directed to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar (Pashtun) as he was more favoured by Arabs due to a number of reasons and also Pakistan's support for Taliban (only 1 of 3 countries to recognize them officially). This has resulted in a hatred amongst non Pashtuns for Pakistani state and they are looking towards India to counter Pakistan.
Pashtuns of Afghanistan have a much closer link to Pakistan because Pashtuns reside on both sides of the Durand Line. The Pashtuns of Afghanistan hate the Pakistani state because according to their narrative, the creation of Pakistan has split the Pashtun nation (Afghans) in two. They see the creation of Pakistan as revenge by the British colonialists for the resistance to their rule by Pashtuns and their defeats at the hands of Pashtuns in Anglo-Afghan wars. Non Pashtuns don't care about Durand Line and unification of Pashtuns. It is actually a threat to them because 30 million Pashtuns joining or uniting with Afghanistan would make them a tiny minority and their identity will be under threat in a Pashtun dominated state than it already is. Pashtuns of Afghanistan have seen the betrayel of Pakistani state first hand, they supported the Taliban but when things got tough under American pressure, Pakistan joined the war on terror and ended the Taliban (pashtun) domination of Afghanistan. Pakistani state will always prefer a religion focused government in Afghanistan so the issue of Durand Line, Pashtunistan is not brought up and focused is instead placed on Ummah narrative.
You are right in saying that there are tensions between Pashtuns and other ethnicities in regards to questions of national identity but it is not enough to ask for seperation. There are no seperatist movements in Afghanistan as such. One of the reasons is that in Afghanistan both Farsi and Pashto enjoy equal rights. Ther Farsi speakers can freely use their langauge in all spheres of life and so can Pashtuns. Afghanistan is not like Turkey where the Kurdish language was banned from all spheres of life.
Despite there being 30 million Pashtuns in Pakistan, they make up about 15% of the total population and can never change the Desi over all culture of Pakistan just like Uzbeks and Hazaras can never make Afghanistan a Turkic nation. In Afghanistan despite all the wars, Pashto will enjoy high position because its the national language and will be used in all spheres of life at least in Pashtun dominated regions while in Pakistan Pashto will be nothing more than a spoken language and always behind Urdu/English. I am not saying only Pashtun in Pakistan are under threat of losing their language but also punjabis, Sindhis because thats the way Pakistani state is designed which gives Urdu importance at the expense of local langauges. The only Pashto books published in Pakistan are mainly poetry or history books. No scientific publications, no use in offcial paper work etc. Most Pashtuns in pakistan, I would say 90% or so can't read and write in proper Pashto due to lack of exposure.
If Afghanistan wanted to attack Pakistan or settle matters by force, it would have done so in 1965 when Afghanistan was strong enough to face Pakistan army while India would have kept Pakistan busy on its Eastern border. The truth is that Afghanistan never wants to use force because we realize that Pashtuns of Pakistan don't have any desire to seperate from Pakistan especially by force.Even Karzai said he would support Pakistan in a direct war between pakistan and India. I am not defending Afghan politicians, most of them were corrupt just like Pakistani politicians and never worked for the poor people of their country.It is this dilemma which shapes up the ethno-centric hate narrative which dominated Afghanistan's policy discourse. Hafizullah Amin offered Vajpayee (foreign minister back then) to invade Pakistan from both sides. He even agreed to become hand in glove with the Soviets out of pure hatred for Pakistan, in the end the very same Soviets killed him. Same tragic fate was met by Dr Najib, who on his India trip proposed that a strong Afghanistan and strong India can crush Pakistan from both sides, like wheat is crushed in flour mill. He was hanged too in public with a tragic end. When hate becomes the sole driving force of a country's policies it is bound to implode. Pakistan since inception maintained a policy of appeasement despite frequent diatribes from Afghan leadership. It led the mediation efforts in Quadrilateral peace dialogue which was scuttled when US took out Akhtar Mansoor. Now a statement from Zamir Kabulov, meetings between Chinese and Taliban and invitation of senior Taliban leaders to Iran proves that China, Pakistan, Russia and Iran seek a convergence with Afghan Taliban to neutralize the threat from ascendancy of Islamic State in Afghanistan (specifically in Nangarhar), which has claimed two attacks in Balochistan in 2016.Last edited by Shapur; 12-16-2016, 04:20 PM.
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