the first book you mentioned is on the net. i read a little, sounds interesting. i am sure i will be able to get via library. thanks for the info. i have read a bit about the secret knowledge societies and lots if philosophy. yeah, i love looking at music clips so that is disappointing . i just borrowed this laptop and i have mobile phone, only, as i am not sure how long i will b staying here, so haven't had home phone connected.will do websearch to check out the other 2 books.