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    As salaamu aleikoum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

    Science, and natural science in particular is an incremental procedure of acquiring knowledge of the natural world. This acquisition of knowledge proceeds in a gradual manner. Sometimes, scientists make great discoveries. And these new discoveries change the way we perceive our environment and how we think about our past, the present and the future.


    However, science is merely a process of acquiring knowledge of the natural world, which is primarily based on empirical evidences. It serves a specific purpose. Mankind can benefit from the knowledge acquired from natural sciences. And thanks to development of the sciences, mankind has achieved great accomplishments. But not all scientific discoveries are beneficial. The development of weapons of mass destruction are an example of a scientific development that is not beneficial.


    Islam is not an incremental process of acquiring knowledge about the natural world. It does not base itself on merely observation. Islamic knowledge is revelation. The knowledge we obtain of Islam originates from god. And this knowledge serves a different purpose than the knowledge of the natural world obtained by scientists.


    People have different views regarding science and Islam. I will try to describe what I have gathered of the variety of views and opinions about this particular matter.


    There is group of people who reject Islam all together. They claim that revelation and religion is not compatible with advanced scientific discoveries and modern world we live in. They argue that if anything is true, then it must be based on information judged with the same criteria scientists depend on to arrive to an understanding.


    There is another group of people who argue that Islam and religion can perfectly coincide because Islam advocates acquisition of knowledge and learning. And that all scientific theories can be retraced back to qur'an.


    Yet another group of people reject any scientific discover that contradicts Islamic dogma. They claim that there is a conspiracy of disbelievers against Islam. And that all Darwinist perceptions are evil.


    I disagree with all three different views. I argue that Islam serves a different purpose. And it cannot be compared to natural sciences. I believe that what we know now of the natural world, and the environment we live in is something that depends on observations of human beings. We are only able to know and understand so much. We have not yet found very basic answers about the origin and the beginning of everything. But regardless of this, we still benefit from the incremental scientific progress.


    Islam is independent of empirical evidence. Islam is the knowledge of the bigger questions far beyond the scope of the natural sciences. Islam serves a much greater purpose. And therefore, it is unnecessary to try to judge Islam with the methods of the natural sciences. Neither is it of any use to compare the knowledge of the natural world coed in scientific literature with Islam.


    We do not become Muslims for the purposes bounded to this world. We are Muslims because we believe. And to believe, you do not need empirical evidence.


    Proponents of scientific dogma consider religion to be inferior for it is not based on observation. Yet, the very same people who use such arguments to falsify religion are totally clueless of how to be civilized and well mannered. How to organize societies, and how to answer the bigger questions beyond the scope of science.


    As a student of social sciences, I am taught to apply the methodology of the natural sciences while studying the social life. I have expanded the scope of my study far beyond my own disciple. I have ventured into cultural anthropology, political philosophy, sociology, conflict studies, psychology and various other disciplines within the social sciences and the humanities.


    So far, I have not found any author who could provide an answer to very simple questions. How can science replace the function of a belief system? Any society without any belief system is bound to fall into a gradual process of decline. Soviet Union is a very good example of such an experiment.


    And while we are observing the piling up of a vast number of societal problems in the most advanced prosperous communities, we cannot help but to conclude that the lack of a belief system is a major cause. The disappearance of a profound and all encompassing belief system has lead Europeans to question their identity, their self image, their purpose in life, their social conventions, the relationship with their kinsmen etc. Yet, these modern societies claim to be champions of scientific thought and process.


    The absence of a belief system such as Islam might be able to solve many problems of prosperous societies. But likewise, Islam alone is not enough to improve some very practical problems of mankind.


    Therefore, for a society to succeed in various fields, it depends on both, the sciences and Islam.
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  • #2
    Science actually has no problems with religion as such. The problems only arise when:
    • People put scripture before observed, empirical knowledge. As an offered compromise, they want their religious beliefs to be given the same level of importance as scientific truths - the earth is 6,000 years old VS 4.5 billion, creationism vs evolution, origins of the universe, etc.

    • People take scientific discoveries that have taken hundreds of years to achieve and relate it somehow to a phrase in their holy book thereby claiming that their texts already contained the knowledge.

    • People try to stop scientific research based on Abrahamic morality.

    • People try to stop the teaching of certain fields of science based on their religious beliefs.



    I wish I could have elaborated further on those points but I'm running late as it is. In short, I'm of the view that science should be left to the scientists.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

    "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Afghanlady
      There certain things that the Quran spoke about which are now scientifically true.
      That's the claim a lot of Muslims make.

      You should read more into it, though -- and both sides of the argument, not just one (I mean the side that says there are many 'scientific miracles' in the Quran and the side that refutes that proves it wrong).

      You may start here. http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...nds-here-2757/ In this thread, we've sort of discussed this whole "scientific miracles in the Quran" topic as well, though as much in detail as I'd like to some day.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
        Science actually has no problems with religion as such. The problems only arise when:
        • People put scripture before observed, empirical knowledge. As an offered compromise, they want their religious beliefs to be given the same level of importance as scientific truths - the earth is 6,000 years old VS 4.5 billion, creationism vs evolution, origins of the universe, etc.
        According to the Quran, the whole of the universe is 18-18.5 Billion years old, depending whether you use lunar or solar calendar. The Quran is clear that evolution took place, only that it was guided. Quran is clear about how it all started and how it will end.


        Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
        • People take scientific discoveries that have taken hundreds of years to achieve and relate it somehow to a phrase in their holy book thereby claiming that their texts already contained the knowledge.


        That is the miracle, dear brother. Quran has given the answer, and has requested man to find the process.

        Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
        • People try to stop scientific research based on Abrahamic morality.
        Who?

        Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
        c truths - the earth is 6,000 years old VS
        • People try to stop the teaching of certain fields of science based on their religious beliefs.
        Who?
        Last edited by MeemWawMeemNoon; 07-22-2010, 11:16 PM.
        Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

        [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

        [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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        • #5
          Qrratagia khore, do you believe that the Quran was revealed by God? In fact, do you believe that God exists? Please answer these questions clearly. It would really help me to understand you stances.
          Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

          [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

          [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
            According to the Quran, the whole of the universe is 18-18.5 Billion years old, depending whether you use lunar or solar calendar. The Quran is clear that evolution took place, only that it was guided. Quran is clear about how it all started and how it will end.
            According to your interpretation, it's 18.5 billion.


            Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
            That is the miracle, dear brother. Quran has given the answer, and has requested man to find the process.
            Name one scientific theory that came out from the Quran. I'll save you the time. The answer is none. The fact is that it's always the other way round. Scientific facts are made to match the ambiguous prose and poetry of holy texts. It's nothing new. Christians were doing it 500 years before Muslims learned it from them.

            As for the "who" question, try teaching evolution is an Islamic country. Evolution negates not only the Adam and Eve theory but also Noah's flood among other things. Besides, I would abstain from taking science from a book that tells me to believe that a man lived inside a fish.
            "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

            "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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