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Default French fear being indebted to China - 11-27-2011, 02:47 AM

French fear being indebted to China

In France, many on both sides of the political spectrum worry that they will surrender some of their sovereignty if China helps fund a European bailout.

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By Devorah Lauter, Los Angeles Times
8:35 PM PST, November 26, 2011
Reporting from Paris
In front of the horse-meat butcher shop she runs with her husband on Rue de la Roquette, Marie-Francoise Peltier reminisced about how things used to be in this enclave of Paris' 11th arrondissement, back when the street was lined with neighborhood boulangeries, cafes and boutiques.

"It was like a little village here," she said.

In the late 1980s, several struggling textile shops around long, narrow Rue Popincourt were acquired by Chinese importers. They prospered, attracting others who bought out more of the surrounding small businesses that were unable to make ends meet.

Within a decade, as closing time came around, the metal shutters of the wholesale clothing shops would roll down and Rue Popincourt would go dark: a mini-industrial zone in the heart of Paris.

On its small scale, this neighborhood has experienced some of the anxiety now being felt as the European Union looks to emerging nations, and especially to China, to invest in its teetering finances to calm panic over the bloc's massive debt crisis.

Any Chinese bailout for Europe is unlikely to re-create Rue Popincourt's experience across France. The Chinese money would be used to beef up a European-wide line of credit aimed at insulating beleaguered economies such as Greece and Italy from their high-debt troubles. And so far, the Chinese have shown no enthusiasm for putting their money into Europe's troubled hands.

But that has not stopped many here in France, on the right and the left, from worrying that they would surrender some of their sovereignty should China change its mind about tapping its stash of foreign reserves to contribute to a bailout.

"We're going to put ourselves in the wolf's mouth, once we've taken this money that I call dirty money," right-wing lawmaker Nicolas Dupont-Aignan said recently, adding that any deal would be like "prostituting" Europe.

The Green Party's leader, Eva Joly, fears "selling Europe in chunks to China."

More moderate critics of any EU-China deal come from the ranks of mostly left-leaning political figures, including Socialist presidential candidate Francois Hollande. They argue that any increase in financial dependency on China would diminish French and other European influence over the emerging superpower, limiting leverage on issues such as human rights and international trade.

Of course there are others, including members of the French government, who profess that there is no downside to fishing for Chinese aid.

If Beijing "decides to invest in the euro instead of the dollar, why refuse?" said French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who led Europe's cap-in-hand appeal to Chinese authorities. "Our independence wouldn't be threatened in any way," he said.

"Withdrawing into oneself is absurd," right-leaning former Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin said in a recent interview with the French weekly JJD. "The European and American economic motors are out of order. China has stepped in."

But behind much of the anxiety is "a lot of mystery" about China, coming "not just from the French, but from Western imaginations," said Jean-Philippe Beja, a senior researcher on China at the Center for International Studies and Research at Paris' Sciences Po university.

"We see this great power, and wonder in what direction it will go and there's a sense of the circumstances being flipped, with what people see as an underdeveloped country coming to save us," he said.

Despite it being "totally false," Beja said, "today we have this image of a triumphant China that is conquering everything."

Although China is expected to ask for improved market access in exchange for investment, and possibly a relaxation of an EU arms embargo, Europeans probably will not notice a major difference in their way of life after a deal. Europe already accounts for about 20% of Chinese exports.

Nevertheless, "we are going from a China that is still largely in development, to a China that has a stronger hand in the market. And that's a big change on the international scene," Beja said.

Sacha Lin, who helped mediate tensions between residents and Chinese merchants on Rue Popincourt through his Assn. of Young French Chinese, said that "vilifying" public arguments on a Chinese bailout "spread unfounded prejudice."

"Of course it bothers us," he said of the group, which was created "because we felt that there was a problem with the image of the Chinese community, from those who were unfamiliar with it."

"This is not some kind of aggressive buyout," he said. "China isn't forcing Europe to take its help. Europe is the one asking China for help."

Both the national debate and the tension that roiled the Popincourt neighborhood, he said, "have that in common: We are the extraterrestrials."

But down the street from Peltier's butcher shop, a woman who runs a traditional cheese and wine shop said that Chinese merchants had saved what was a depressed neighborhood, "with no center, and no demand."

"I prefer this to what we had before, with French businesses going bankrupt," said the woman, echoing the views of others in the area who support the presence of the Chinese wholesalers.

Perhaps tellingly, however, she would not provide her name, concerned that other residents would react negatively to her comments.
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Default 11-27-2011, 03:19 AM

When one looks at the destructed state of Western economies, it is a foregone conclusion that their economies will soon be owned by China, and not by choice. China is the only willing nation that is willing to "bail" them out as the US has no funds to bail the EU, and China has a surplus that keeps growing. For all practical purposes the EU was in fact part of the US hegemony. When a nation forms an alliance with another stronger nation, they become dependent. When that stronger nation becomes weak, then the weaker nations( the EU) self-destruct. Obama's visit to Australia sends biggest recognition of declining US power: expert The Endgame In Europe - Seeking Alpha

The EU economy is finished in every sense except by an admission. The EU nations are in self-denial. Their banking sector has completely gone under EU debt crisis: Jim Flaherty says eurozone contagion spreading globally | Economy | News | Financial Post The future of the EU, the West, and the US is bleak. There will be no recovery, and all indications point a depression without end will persist. Depression will last generations - National News - Empires rise and fall. The Soviet Union collapsed after being defeated in Afghanistan, and it appears history is repeating itself.

Since China is the only nation willing to "bail" the EU out, EU nations such as France have no alternative but to accept China's ownership of their economy. Once they accept China's "offer," it will be the end of the West. Period. There will be no rise of any power after that. China is very business oriented, and act without emotion in regards to their dealing. There will be no favors, and they will try to form a mutually beneficial relationship with the EU provided the EU's interests converges with theirs. They will buy resources from Europe and have free trade with Europe once the EU abides by a trade agreement. China has no choice but to treat the oil producing nations with higher regard since that is where they will get their energy from, and from recent history, they understand that a hostile attitude towards these nations will be futile.

Other developing nations will logically foster good ties with China as they are the emerging superpower, and can not be challenged for now. For example, a nation like Venezuela has already forged good and healthy ties with China. China too, will one day collapse, but that will not happen for a while since the state has an iron control over major businesses, and punishes corruption ruthlessly. These businesses are therefore extensions of the state, and do not operate independently. Independently operated businesses are always unfavorable for any state that wishes to be stable, independent, and strong. The US has declined due to the many independent operated businesses that put their interests first before state interests. These American companies are not nationalistic at all, and can be pro-China one day, and pro-India the next day. This superficially explains the fluctuation you have witnessed of the US and Western economies. They answer only to their pockets. This ought to be understood if you seek to understand how power shifts in the world, how power is shifting from the US to China. The world will become multipolar since China understands well that it is best to forge good ties with nations, especially, the oil producing ones rather then unhealthy and hostile ties.

Chinese have many intellectuals in their government as it seems they understand that the economic prosperity of other allied nations serves their interests. They do not seek to have a one sided association, but operate on a mutual basis. China’s Role in Africa | China Power

This is just my analysis.

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Default 11-27-2011, 05:56 AM

I would be too, especially since they are "Communist" haha!
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