Opinions about body piercing!! [Archive] - Pashtun Community | Pashtuns

gulalai

11-20-2010, 09:10 PM

Hi all..................

i wanted to know what opinion people hold on body piercing.............this includes belly button, upperlip, eyebrow............etc. What do you all think about body piercings do you think they look tacky?.

I like ear and nose piercing. I am not a big fan of any other form of it since it is a big SIN. Basically it will make me look "trendy", or more specifically, unnatural and abnormal.You see, if I pierce other body parts, then I can also accept men without beards which could be another big SIN.Also, they make you look "mooodernnn" which goes against our culture.In addition, if you do not clean them, then HCV,HBV, Strep. and Staph. microbes would grow in such pierced places.Perhaps they only grow in places other than ears!

what view do you hold on them culturally, religiously, secularly.......all opinions are welcome.
Cuturally-Not an issue in western culture.In fact, that makes you trendy and hippy.

Religiously-Islam does not allow any other form of piercing for females except ears.Piercing for men is prohibited, though Pashtun men do pierce one ear/nostril.I have seen that in our older generation. Traditional Judaism and Christianity also prohibit (unnatural-as they refer to it) practice of piercing body parts other than ears.Perhaps ears are special. Oh, we hear "things" with ears.Makes sense now!:P"

Secularly-I am against body piercing and never pierced a part of my body before.But after I met you, I noticed a pierce in my heart-Leezee:hairy:

Manzareh

11-20-2010, 10:36 PM

piercing - beautiful women dont need one, natural beauty is the best beauty, no need for peices of metal stitched onto your body in order to make your body parts look better than what they are, be happy with what you got and how god made you :-)

Tatoos - Its dangerous as essentially your walking around like a kafir, your ghusal or abloution is not even counted which means you cant even pray salah, and if you die with a tatoo then its a completly different story...SCARY. Iv got a tatoo on my back and arm but i was a bit of a rebelious teenager and didnt comprehend religion, inshllah i have the intention and am planning on removing them.

Marilyn Monroe - Shes the modern day version of a porn star, if she was alive now shed most probly be staring in the dirtiest of movies, part of the satanic freemasons and making devilish music and probly married to Marilyn Manson

DaZahroJaam..

11-20-2010, 10:46 PM

why are people under the impression that the world revolves around them and that everything which happens has to do with them?
people's decisions of what they want to do are not going to change depending on what you do or don't like.
sometimes it's not abut the look but going through the experience.

Manzareh

11-20-2010, 11:08 PM

"why are people under the impression that the world revolves around them and that everything which happens has to do with them?"

I dont know, why are people under that impression?

"people's decisions of what they want to do are not going to change depending on what you do or don't like."

How about on what God likes or dont like?

"sometimes it's not abut the look but going through the experience."

You mean like wearing a miniskirt or something for example?

DaZahroJaam..

11-20-2010, 11:20 PM

Manzareh

11-20-2010, 11:32 PM

was i talking to you?
yes, exactly. i just looooove walking around in my mini skirt.
i will decide for myself where i want to go. be that heaven or hell. not you.

I dont care wether you were talking to me or not, i gave an answer. its your fault for being so indirect. next time point out who your speaking to.

well good luck to you walk around topless and in a thong for all i care LOL

*Mahzala*

11-21-2010, 05:40 AM

Eyeliner, you might find some more answers here. Lack of a better word, but it is a repeated topic.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/fashion-18/piercings-2233/ (http://www.pashtunforums.com/fashion-18/piercings-2233/)
http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/why-tattoos-haram-5266/ (http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/why-tattoos-haram-5266/)

Adam

11-21-2010, 07:51 AM

Just leave your body the way it is. simple.

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 09:49 AM

Tattoos definitely suit some guys like myself. It does definitely not suit unmacho and more so unmacho and aged. I think belly piercings are alright for women, as long as they're in reasonable shape. But without it would be fine, it makes little difference.

amna.

11-21-2010, 10:59 AM

Tattoos are haram Roadrunner.

Belly pierce is hot.

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 11:06 AM

Tattoos are haram Roadrunner.

It's one opinion.

DaZahroJaam..

11-21-2010, 11:14 AM

i don't think roadrunner is a muslim so i wont expect him to know what haram means. what is haram is haram. there is no opinion in that.

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 11:17 AM

i don't think roadrunner is a muslim so i wont expect him to know what haram means. what is haram is haram. there is no opinion in that.

Again opinion. However, much of what the ill educated claim is Haraam is not based on any commandment, but on interpretation. I could give several examples.

DaZahroJaam..

11-21-2010, 11:25 AM

Eyeliner, you might find some more answers here. Lack of a better word, but it is a repeated topic.

[/URL]http://www.pashtunforums.com/fashion-18/piercings-2233/ (http://www.pashtunforums.com/fashion-18/piercings-2233/)
[url]http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/why-tattoos-haram-5266/ (http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/why-tattoos-haram-5266/)

roadrunner
first go find a dictionary and look up the word 'opinion'. then visit the threads mahzala posted and figure out all the opinions that are being passed down as halal and haram facts.

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 12:31 PM

roadrunner
first go find a dictionary and look up the word 'opinion'. then visit the threads mahzala posted and figure out all the opinions that are being passed down as halal and haram facts.

People generally say Halaal and Haraam, but don't base them on any solid evidence. These are just interpretation and their opinion.

Manzareh

11-21-2010, 12:35 PM

People generally say Halaal and Haraam, but don't base them on any solid evidence. These are just interpretation and their opinion.

Ofcourse there is solid evidence for things that are haraam

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 12:36 PM

Ofcourse there is solid evidence for things that are haraam

There is for some things. But for others people will say Haraam based on their opinion rather than any explicit commandment. This is where ambiguity arises.

Manzareh

11-21-2010, 12:40 PM

There is for some things. But for others people will say Haraam based on their opinion rather than any explicit commandment. This is where ambiguity arises.

Forget about what people say bro, Islam isn't based on what people say. People say alot of things

MeemWawMeemNoon

11-21-2010, 01:19 PM

Laila khore,

why would you want to pierce your belly? What is the benefit from it?

-Gulalai

11-21-2010, 01:49 PM

Fahd

11-21-2010, 02:02 PM

eyli & laila hope u change ur mind :)
im giveing advice as u r from ma family and pashtuns :hug1"

Summed up by this that there is nothing wrong in the ear or nose piercing for decoration. The hole in the navel and tongue, and other parts of the body did not find the words in which the scholars and the closest ban him for two reasons: first: that the examples and the Torture Show. II: Do not need women to adorn so this often, but is closer to the distortion of it to the decorations, and the fact that the husband did not see the reason why it does not justify to do legally. In addition, it was probably from the habits of some debauched in permissive societies morals.

my personal opinion
Piercings: i would only go for ears, and maybe the nose. Anything else i find it too provocative. Even having a nose piercing could be haram because it can be seen as an "adornment"
But even if you were to get a bellybutton piercing that no one would see, why would you talk about it in public? It's like a Hijabi explaining how long and beautiful her hair is.
It's just giving ideas to non-mahrams...

& Tatoos are haram
:hug1"
u r pashtun girl mashallah GUL lolz

MeemWawMeemNoon

11-21-2010, 02:03 PM

-Gulalai khore,

Beautifully articulated!

Nora

11-21-2010, 02:08 PM

my personal opinion
Piercings: i would only go for ears, and maybe the nose. Anything else i find it too provocative. Even having a nose piercing could be haram because it can be seen as an "adornment"
But even if you were to get a bellybutton piercing that no one would see, why would you talk about it in public? It's like a Hijabi explaining how long and beautiful her hair is.
It's just giving ideas to non-mahrams...

& Tatoos are haram

well said, absulately right, if she was gonna talk about nose or face then yh its fine body piercing to a pashtun girl dont really suit & specially when u dont show ur belly and saying in public im gonna pierce my bady:wub:

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 02:32 PM

why would you talk about it in public? It's like a Hijabi explaining how long and beautiful her hair is.
It's just giving ideas to non-mahrams...

It's not the same at all. Asking someone for their opinion is just that. Asking their opinion. If the person on the receiving end takes it the wrong way and comes up with perverse ideas, the problem would lie with the pervert, not the questioner.

eyeliner

11-21-2010, 02:34 PM

my personal opinion
Piercings: i would only go for ears, and maybe the nose. Anything else i find it too provocative. Even having a nose piercing could be haram because it can be seen as an "adornment"
But even if you were to get a bellybutton piercing that no one would see, why would you talk about it in public? It's like a Hijabi explaining how long and beautiful her hair is.
It's just giving ideas to non-mahrams...

& Tatoos are haram

what do you mean by adornment?

well said, absulately right, if she was gonna talk about nose or face then yh its fine body piercing to a pashtun girl dont really suit & specially when u dont show ur belly and saying in public im gonna pierce my bady:wub:

You dont have to do something so that you can show it to others. It doesnt mean that when you get your belly button pierced that you have to start showing it to people.

Fahd

11-21-2010, 02:36 PM

roadrunner

i don't hurt u but u should stop posting when we talk about pashtuns and islam becuase u don't know our culture and islam

and we are diffrent than other

eyeliner

11-21-2010, 02:37 PM

^ fahd.......roadrunner is entitled to his opinion.......at the start of the thread i said all opinions are welcome.

Manzareh

11-21-2010, 02:38 PM

It's not the same at all. Asking someone for their opinion is just that. Asking their opinion. If the person on the receiving end takes it the wrong way and comes up with perverse ideas, the problem would lie with the pervert, not the questioner.

Well like she said, she is not doing it for males or anybody else and not even going to show her bellybutton peircing to anyone else so what difference does it make what our opinions are? :awkward: and to add to that dont you think this questions suits a girl to girl talk, not on a board asking opinions of men when a mans opininon isnt even required like she says..am not being judgmental though, just being honest and reading between the lines

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 02:38 PM

well said, absulately right, if she was gonna talk about nose or face then yh its fine body piercing to a pashtun girl dont really suit & specially when u dont show ur belly and saying in public im gonna pierce my bady:wub:

what's wrong with asking for opinions, may I ask? She asked, you gave. That is all. Anything else you insinuate, like "oo,hoy, she is trying to titillate everyone" is just coming from your imaginations.

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 02:40 PM

Well like she said, she is not doing it for males or anybody else and not even going to show her bellybutton peircing to anyone else so what difference does it make what our opinions are? :awkward:

Because she's curious. Perhaps she just wants to do a broad survey. Perhaps it's a project. WHO KNOWS. Why insinuate things she did not say?

and to add to that dont you think this questions suits a girl to girl talk, not on a board asking opinions of men when a mans opininon isnt even required like she says..am not being judgmental though, just being honest and reading between the lines

Perhaps she wants a man's opinion? What is wrong with that? I have asked women their opinion on some matters also. Normal people do.

Manzareh

11-21-2010, 02:47 PM

^ "Because she's curious. Perhaps she just wants to do a broad survey. Perhaps it's a project. WHO KNOWS. Why insinuate things she did not say?"

- why would she want to do a broad survey on other peoples opinions when in the end other peoples opinions dont matter. and its not a project or anything because she said what its for. why insinuate things she did not say..EXACTLY why say "shes curious" when you dont know.

"Perhaps she wants a man's opinion? What is wrong with that? I have asked women their opinion on some matters also. Normal people do"

- why would you want a mans opinion when your not going to show it to men. and its not normal to ask an opinion from someone that your not going to take on board anyway. if its for yourself then do it if you like it as your not doing it for anybody else.

-Gulalai

11-21-2010, 03:11 PM

It's not the same at all. Asking someone for their opinion is just that. Asking their opinion. If the person on the receiving end takes it the wrong way and comes up with perverse ideas, the problem would lie with the pervert, not the questioner.

If i told you i have my nose pierced would you not picture a nose with a nose ring in it?
If i were to say i have long curly blond hair with side swept bangs, would you not think of that hair?
So If i were to say i have a bellybutton piercing, would you not think of a belly ring on my navel?
and obviously that might turn some men on.
Now i am not saying that it is completely a women's responsibility to keep perverted thoughts out of men's heads.
It needs to come 50-50. To keep dirty thoughts out of their heads, men should stay away from these types of conversations and also lower their gaze, and women should be aware of what they say and where they say it..

what do you mean by adornment?

You dont have to do something so that you can show it to others. It doesnt mean that when you get your belly button pierced that you have to start showing it to people.

a·dorn·ment
[uh-dawrn-muh-nt]
–noun 1. something that adds attractiveness; ornament

No one said that if you get a bellybutton pierced it should be shown to others, all we are saying is that if you have something private, then it's private for a reason, so it should stay private.

what's wrong with asking for opinions, may I ask? She asked, you gave. That is all. Anything else you insinuate, like "oo,hoy, she is trying to titillate everyone" is just coming from your imaginations.

right. so all we are doing is giving our opinions....

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 03:13 PM

- why would she want to do a broad survey on other peoples opinions when in the end other peoples opinions dont matter.

Because she might be curious to do a survey on internet men. She only asked for opinions. Other peoples' opinions don't matter to me in the slightest, but i sometimes ask them for it.

and its not a project or anything because she said what its for. why insinuate things she did not say..EXACTLY why say "shes curious" when you dont know.

Where does she say the reason? I've read the original post and it just says give me your opinion on.. So why insinuate she's trying to titillate you? Or whoever said this.

- why would you want a mans opinion when your not going to show it to men. and its not normal to ask an opinion from someone that your not going to take on board anyway. if its for yourself then do it if you like it as your not doing it for anybody else.

Because she wants to show it to her future husband/boyfriend/fiancee, who might be normal like any other man, and wants to know what men generally like. Or she's just doing a survey for something. Or one of the many other things it might be.....

eyeliner

11-21-2010, 05:23 PM

Mayana

11-21-2010, 05:25 PM

Nose piercings are nice :wub:

Laila

11-21-2010, 05:27 PM

DaZahroJaam..

11-21-2010, 05:30 PM

oh come on!
i was hoping for a fight...
mayana you should get your nose done by some girl your age back home with a needle.... you will be sorry you were born. :ha:

eyeliner

11-21-2010, 05:34 PM

[QUOTE=Fahd;253464]eyli & laila hope u change ur mind :)
im giveing advice as u r from ma family and pashtuns :hug1"

Summed up by this that there is nothing wrong in the ear or nose piercing for decoration. The hole in the navel and tongue, and other parts of the body did not find the words in which the scholars and the closest ban him for two reasons: first: that the examples and the Torture Show. II: Do not need women to adorn so this often, but is closer to the distortion of it to the decorations, and the fact that the husband did not see the reason why it does not justify to do legally. In addition, it was probably from the habits of some debauched in permissive societies morals.

this confuset me. :arguing:
well your husband can find justification for something being legal and it may not be legal..........would it mean you can still do it?

Mayana

11-21-2010, 05:37 PM

oh come on!
i was hoping for a fight...
mayana you should get your nose done by some girl your age back home with a needle.... you will be sorry you were born. :ha:

LOL khoarakii :hug1"

Do you think I should get mine done? It will just draw even more attention to my Persian/Jew nose :running:

DaZahroJaam..

11-21-2010, 05:48 PM

persian nose? i can understand jew but why persian?
waye chi
pezwan-i mean, CHARGUL PA JIGA POZA KHUWAND Ka...LAKA PA LUWARR CHINAR CHI WACHAWEY TALOONA

yours is the nose for it.

Mayana

11-21-2010, 06:27 PM

Persians think I Persian; Jews think I'm Israeli, I conclude it's the nose LOL
haha I'm joking :tongue:

Hmm.. jiga poza indeed. I'm kind of like Qrratu in this matter, I can't get myself to do it and I don't even know why. =/

-Gulalai

11-21-2010, 06:36 PM

The thing is if anyone is saying that i shouldnt have made such a thread about such a matter..........because men are going to contribute to the thread......then those very people shouldnt have wasted their time, giving their opinion. I don't see why people are judging others for what they do either. I said that i wanted people's opinions whether it be islamic, cultural......etc.......so i dont see why people are putting words into anyone elses mouths......and saying that a man's opinion isnt necessary.......i didnt at the start of the thread say anything about a specific gender's opinion being necessary.....because if i had made a thread limited to gender, boys would have still posted in it.

No one is putting words in anyone's mouth except you.
None of us were judging anyone, and if that's what you thought we were doing then im sorry for the misunderstanding. That wasn't any of our intentions. We were just stating our opinions, hence me saying "My Personal Opinion" at the beginning of my post. Laila understands that it's just a difference of opinion and she didn't make such a big deal out of it. I wasn't trying to change her opinion.. and i deffinatly wasn't trying to insult her which is what everyone is making it sound like...
Sorry for any misunderstandings Laila khore :lal9:

Fahd

11-21-2010, 06:48 PM

weird weird weird and laila
hummmmm im saw old theard about this posted by mahzala
and u said u will not going to do that because u will be killed
humm just to tell u
LOL GUL u didn't say any thing wrong
relax lil girl

ok im the only guy putting ma self btw girls fights ??
LOLz

-Gulalai

11-21-2010, 06:50 PM

eyeliner

11-21-2010, 06:50 PM

@ gulalai......i didnt say anything about your post..........i thought your post was reasonable...there was others saying things

Fahd

11-21-2010, 06:57 PM

@ gulalai......i didnt say anything about your post..........i thought your post was reasonable...there was others saying things
i know it's me :sneaky:

-Gulalai

11-21-2010, 07:11 PM

i know it's me :sneaky:

forget it.
our opinions have been stated, now lets leave this thread.

eyeliner

11-21-2010, 07:16 PM

no fahd..it wasn't you

Feroza_Banu

11-21-2010, 07:25 PM

I am going to get my nose pierced inshaAllah in a month. i had it done about 3 years ago and it looked so beautiful but i didn't take care of it properly so it got infected... had to take out my chargul and let it close... but when i had it , i remember how many complements i got from family and friends about how nice it looked on me so inshaAllah i will get it again. it gives me such a typical pashtana face... i love it.

Mayana

11-21-2010, 07:39 PM

What kinds of Charguls do you ladies wear? :)

Laila

11-21-2010, 07:48 PM

No one is putting words in anyone's mouth except you.
None of us were judging anyone, and if that's what you thought we were doing then im sorry for the misunderstanding. That wasn't any of our intentions. We were just stating our opinions, hence me saying "My Personal Opinion" at the beginning of my post. Laila understands that it's just a difference of opinion and she didn't make such a big deal out of it. I wasn't trying to change her opinion.. and i deffinatly wasn't trying to insult her which is what everyone is making it sound like...
Sorry for any misunderstandings Laila khore :lal9:

No worries :)

My actual *reason* as to why to get it is the private part

Anyways, for those that have their nose pierced, did you have to go to a tattoo parlor shop.....because the ones here that i know of that do body piercings are in tattoo shops

Feroza_Banu

11-21-2010, 07:52 PM

What kinds of Charguls do you ladies wear? :)

I used to wear this type

http://worldsimple.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/How-To-Care-For-Your-Nose-Piercing.gif

and sometimes this.

http://s3.hubimg.com/u/195278_f260.jpg

Feroza_Banu

11-21-2010, 07:53 PM

No worries :)

My actual *reason* as to why to get it is the private part

Anyways, for those that have their nose pierced, did you have to go to a tattoo parlor shop.....because the ones here that i know of that do body piercings are in tattoo shops

i got it at a indian jewellery store (gold store)... he did it with a gun

This time i am getting it with needle.. and it will be my mother in law who will do it inshaAllah :)

Laila

11-21-2010, 07:55 PM

i got it at a indian jewellery store (gold store)... he did it with a gun

This time i am getting it with needle.. and it will be my mother in law who will do it inshaAllah :)

Oh i thought they only do it with a needle here. I should find a good place that use the gun, i know it will be quick and easy. For how long do you have to take care of it?

Feroza_Banu

11-21-2010, 07:59 PM

Oh i thought they only do it with a needle here. I should find a good place that use the gun, i know it will be quick and easy. For how long do you have to take care of it?

yeah i am sure there are indian stores or gold stores that can do it... or else u can just drive to berkeley california and u will find bombay jewellery who will do it for you

well with gun it needs alot of care, u have to even be careful about what all you want, like don't eat banjaan or other acidic food for a while. and u have to clean it with a cleaning agent they provide you, or you can get this cleaning agent at the drug store as well.

don't wear gold when u do it, wear silver or other normal metals. and wear a veryyyy tiny one in the biggining with a very tiny thin pin.

roadrunner

11-21-2010, 09:53 PM

If i told you i have my nose pierced would you not picture a nose with a nose ring in it?
So If i were to say i have a bellybutton piercing, would you not think of a belly ring on my navel?
and obviously that might turn some men on.

If they were perverts I agree, it might (though I believe it's the women that have been saying it's "hot" on here).

I can say with certainty it didn't turn me on.

Now i am not saying that it is completely a women's responsibility to keep perverted thoughts out of men's heads.
It needs to come 50-50. To keep dirty thoughts out of their heads, men should stay away from these types of conversations and also lower their gaze, and women should be aware of what they say and where they say it..

It didn't cause me any distress. So no problem.

right. so all we are doing is giving our opinions....

Giving an opinion is fine. But mind reading something you believe another person to be thinking, especially when it's negative, just sounds slanderous to me. I wouldn't like it done to me, and therefore I speak up.

Laila

11-21-2010, 09:59 PM

^ I need to get something like that. Just so i know first what i look like with it.....what do you think khorey? :)

Laila

11-21-2010, 10:37 PM

^ Okay thanks :) I think i want to use a fake one and just see how it looks you know.

DaZahroJaam..

11-21-2010, 11:30 PM

my sister got hers done with a needle by herself.

pukhtana

11-21-2010, 11:39 PM

^ Okay thanks :) I think i want to use a fake one and just see how it looks you know.
That is what I have.

Manzareh

11-22-2010, 04:30 PM

laila upload it in fb! lolz

Laila

11-22-2010, 10:46 PM

Laila go for a fake one and if you like it, keep it.

Ya of course you should do that. just be very careful with your decision.
Yeah i think i am going to do that :)
laila upload it in fb! lolz

LOL!!! :fighting:

AnGaaR

11-23-2010, 12:57 AM

I am really sorry to jump in this topic. I mostly never join girl's topix but this piercing topic made me come here caz last week we were discussing this topic in our islamic class. Some said belly piercing is allowded and others said its not.

I found this article which says its not work of a decent woman.

here is the source

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=691&CATE=115 (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=691&CATE=115)

here is what i got from there

http://www.sunnipath.com/img/bism01.jpg

Assalamu alaykum ,
In the name of Allah the Inspirer of truth
The scholars are agreed that it is permissible for a women to have her ears pierced to wear an earring since that is considered an adornment for women. Likewise they have even permitted piercing the nose as women in some communities do.
However, it would not be permissible to pierce the lip, belly button etc, since that is not considered the adornment for any decent women. [Radd al-Muhtar 5:270]
It is not permissible for men to pierce their ears or any other part of their body as that has not been considered an adornment for them by the Shari'a.
And Allah knows best.
Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf

roadrunner

11-23-2010, 08:57 AM

Wrayun

11-23-2010, 10:45 AM

If they were perverts I agree, it might (though I believe it's the women that have been saying it's "hot" on here).

I can say with certainty it didn't turn me on. It didn't cause me any distress. So no problem.

Giving an opinion is fine. But mind reading something you believe another person to be thinking, especially when it's negative, just sounds slanderous to me. I wouldn't like it done to me, and therefore I speak up.

Navel piercing, a modern day popular cultural trend, promoted by all sorts of entertainers/models as a SEX SYMBOL, turns men on = perversion?

Which planet are you living on? I don't see how a healthy hetro male can't find that sexually arousing (unless a fruit, but even a fruit will admit it's sexy). Navel piercing has everything to do with SEX. The female navel and belly, throughout different cultures, like Indian and Middle Eastern, is associated with female sexuality. Belly dancing wasn't meant as a recreational sport.

If it wasn't for it's popularity as a sex symbol, and the way it is promoted in popular culture, would anyone in their right mind even think about getting it?

INCEPTION ;- &

Bimbo #1: Hi, I want to get implants, but only for my personal needs, you know, just for me, no one will see it.

Who is the pervert here, the person getting navel piercing/implants, or the individual who gets turned on / aroused by these culturally popular trends symbolizing SEX?

giddy!

roadrunner

11-23-2010, 10:56 AM

Navel piercing, a modern day popular cultural trend, promoted by all sorts of entertainers/models as a SEX SYMBOL, turns men on = perversion?

Which planet are you living on? I don't see how a healthy hetro male can't find that sexually arousing (unless a fruit, but even a fruit will admit it's sexy). Navel piercing has everything to do with SEX. The female navel and belly, throughout different cultures, like Indian and Middle Eastern, is associated with female sexuality. Belly dancing wasn't meant as a recreational sport.

If it wasn't for it's popularity as a sex symbol, and the way it is promoted in popular culture, would anyone in their right mind even think about getting it?

INCEPTION ;- &

Bimbo #1: Hi, I want to get implants, but only for my personal needs, you know, just for me, no one will see it.

Who is the pervert here, the person getting navel piercing/implants, or the individual who gets turned on / aroused by these culturally popular trends symbolizing SEX?

giddy!

you can't compare breast implants to getting your naval done. It's like saying, I want a slim flat stomach because I'm a pervert, rather than I want a slim, flat stomach because I want to look beautiful.

btw, does it turn you on?

roadrunner

11-23-2010, 11:06 AM

alright, i re-read what you wrote. I think you're getting confused between sexual provocation and beauty.

Wrayun

11-23-2010, 11:29 AM

roadrunner,

you can't compare breast implants to getting your naval done.

Both represent sexuality. So in that context, yes I can.

It's like saying, I want a slim flat stomach because I'm a pervert. rather than I want a slim, flat stomach because I want to look beautiful.

Wut? Wut? Wut? Wut? ????????????

You honestly don't find any correlation between sexy, hot, beauty and attraction? Try to explain yourself better next time.

alright, i re-read what you wrote. I think you're getting confused between sexual provocation and beauty.

Nope, you grossly made an exaggerated claim that men who are turned on by naval piercing are automatically perverts, all the while naval piercing just happens to be a popular SEX SYMBOL!?!?

FAIL!

roadrunner

11-23-2010, 11:37 AM

Wrayun,

You brought up the breast implant example. Read what you wrote.

Bimbo #1: Hi, I want to get implants, but only for my personal needs, you know, just for me, no one will see it.

Who is the pervert here, the person getting navel piercing/implants, or the individual who gets turned on / aroused by these culturally popular trends symbolizing SEX?

The two are not the same. Breasts are considered private parts, the naval is not.

roadrunner

11-23-2010, 11:41 AM

roadrunner,
Both represent sexuality. So in that context, yes I can.

One represents a private part, the other does not.

Wut? Wut? Wut? Wut? ????????????

You honestly don't find any correlation between sexy, hot, beauty and attraction? Try to explain yourself better next time.

You can only think of sex when you see a woman? I think of many different things when i see different women. Much of it has to do with their personality.

I certainly don't automatically think sex when i see a pierced belly button or breast enlargements.

Nope, you grossly made an exaggerated claim that men who are turned on by naval piercing are automatically perverts, all the while naval piercing just happens to be a popular SEX SYMBOL!?!?

FAIL!

Why's it a fail? Surely if you get turned on by the appearance of a naval piercing, that would mean you're a pervert. It doesn't take a lot to turn you on.

Wrayun

11-23-2010, 11:43 AM

Wrayun,

You brought up the breast implant analogy.

The two are not the same. Breasts are considered private parts, the naval is not.

It's not? Really?

Laila jaan, when you get your naval pierced, please post a picture kha? We'd love to comment. And don't forget to show it to your dad, or any other male friends or reli's kay?

EPIC FAIL!

roadrunner

11-23-2010, 11:45 AM

Wrayun

11-23-2010, 12:13 PM

roadrunner;

It's possible I'm surrounded by a conglomeration of unemployed Indian perverts. Each forum does have a theme after all.

What is that...a lame defense mechanism? Every time your exposed or criticized you blame Indians. There is an Indian behind every wall eh.

So let me ask you, are you Pakistani (I think you are)? A Muslim? A Pukhtoon?

These questions are important to answer. Because you see, to a Pakistani, a Muslim, a Pukhtoon, forget about the naval, the knee and elbow are "private" parts. At least they should. And in societies where they are not, the most private of privates parts are not private enough.

...does it turn me on? Well that is a tricky question....if it doesn't turn me on, I'm impotent. If it does, I'm a pervert? Wadda do mayn.....its taaafff!

But if I am, that makes me a pervert? I must feel bad and guilty now. How dare I get an arousal out of big breasts and a female naval with a shiny metal piercing dangling....should I make toba mullana saib?

U FAIL even in your own anti-mullah "I am a moderate cool male" persona..lulz you tried to be moderate but ended up coming off as a fundie by calling others "perverts" for getting sexual arousal out of SEX SYMBOLS. See your folly?

Point out where I said that? Else you're lying.

Lying about what? You said the naval is not considered private, well if it's not, Laila wouldn't find a problem showing it...would she?

fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail

=D

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 12:56 PM

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 02:11 PM

^one of my friends, got it done.......but didnt tell her parents.......does your mum allow it?

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 02:18 PM

^ awrgh..........too bad......my mum actually lets me get my belly button done.....obviously i wouldnt tell my dad...........its not like anyone is going to see it. I am not going to do it though.........i want toooooooooooo

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 02:55 PM

^ whats so ****ty about a belly peircing?

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 03:36 PM

^ you said that your mum said they are only for ******<<<why?

Shamaar

11-23-2010, 03:50 PM

Girls with pierced noses, Mashallah. Girls with pierced navels, Subhanallah!

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 03:56 PM

^ lol............how do you want us to interpret that?

Shamaar

11-23-2010, 03:58 PM

^ lol............how do you want us to interpret that?

Anyway you want lol.

Shamaar

11-23-2010, 04:02 PM

^lol..u a girl??

Haha no... But everyone can appreciate a good piercing.

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 04:03 PM

^ the more i see someone with that monroe piercing the more i want one

Shamaar

11-23-2010, 04:04 PM

^ the more i see someone with that monroe piercing the more i want one

IMHO, those are very hot.

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 04:06 PM

IMHO, those are very hot.

lol.........whats up with you

Laila

11-23-2010, 04:08 PM

It's not? Really?

Laila jaan, when you get your naval pierced, please post a picture kha? We'd love to comment. And don't forget to show it to your dad, or any other male friends or reli's kay?

EPIC FAIL!

Okay, can you guys please stop. You are really making me look bad, i sure hell do not appreciate that.

The thread asked for opinion on body piercings. I gave my two cent and said i havent been convinced enough that it is haram, and as far as I have been told by numerous people it is not, and i want it down for my own reasons. No one will see it, no one needs to see it, its really of no one's business. But i sure hell dont appreciate anyone's sarcastic tone.

Shamaar

11-23-2010, 04:10 PM

lol.........whats up with you

Just giving my humble opinion lol.

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 04:14 PM

Just giving my humble opinion lol.

okay........

Shamaar

11-23-2010, 04:15 PM

Okay, can you guys please stop. You are really making me look bad, i sure hell do not appreciate that.

The thread asked for opinion on body piercings. I gave my two cent and said i havent been convinced enough that it is haram, and as far as I have been told by numerous people it is not, and i want it down for my own reasons. No one will see it, no one needs to see it, its really of no one's business. But i sure hell dont appreciate anyone's sarcastic tone.

All you epic losers please stop picking on Laila. Your own ghairat isn't increased by going around attacking other people's ghairat.

Laila

11-23-2010, 04:20 PM

Thank you Shamaar

Shamaar

11-23-2010, 04:20 PM

No problem, Laila :)

Laila

11-23-2010, 04:41 PM

I am really sorry to jump in this topic. I mostly never join girl's topix but this piercing topic made me come here caz last week we were discussing this topic in our islamic class. Some said belly piercing is allowded and others said its not.

I found this article which says its not work of a decent woman.

here is the source

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=691&CATE=115 (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=691&CATE=115)

here is what i got from there

I see where this is coming from. However, even some scholars say nose piercings are not acceptable either. Some say it is a mutaliation and deformation of an appearance. >>>http://www.everymuslim.net/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=1196

And i know different school of thoughts have their own opinions on nose and other body piercing. Some say it is acceptable and some say its haram

Piercing is a piercing.
Tattoo is a tattoo (clearly it is haram)
Plastic surgery for cosmetic reasons and breast implants is changing ones appearance

Fahd

11-23-2010, 05:34 PM

All you epic losers please stop picking on Laila. Your own ghairat isn't increased by going around attacking other people's ghairat.

WTF u talking about laila is our sis and if we don't care about her !! and told her the right and the wrong !!
who gona care !! u !!

i know why u did post that
so stop saying bad to other if u don't wanna give advice
and sorry if this gona hurt any one of u but this post make me feel angry :banghead:

Laila

11-23-2010, 05:36 PM

WTF u talking about laila is our sis and if we don't care about her !! and told her the right and the wrong !!
who gona care !! u !!

i know why u did post that
so stop saying bad to other if u don't wanna give advice
and sorry if this gona hurt any one of u but this post make me feel angry :banghead:

Fahd, that is not what Shamaar meant. Clearly you should have read some of the sarcasm that someone posted about me. But I am over it.

eyeliner

11-23-2010, 05:37 PM

Fahd

11-23-2010, 05:38 PM

0ops sorry i didn't read those post
dame man u should tell us which post's u mean :(
sorry :P

Laila

11-23-2010, 05:42 PM

0ops sorry i didn't read those post
dame man u should tell us which post's u mean :(
sorry :P

Its okay, just a misunderstanding. I am sure he understands :)

Shamaar

11-23-2010, 06:02 PM

It's okay Fahd bro.

Manzareh

11-23-2010, 06:12 PM

has M16 related body peircing to the ISI Taliban wahibi 'yet'??

AnGaaR

11-23-2010, 07:07 PM

actually....yesterday.....i found a website which condemned all all types of piercing...........why does their have to be so much difference of opinion...thanks for sharing though

dear sister..
Different Imams say different things.
I got this info from Sunnipath's scholar who follow Imam Azam Abu Hanifa (Hanafi). Maybe the followers of other Imams allow it or might be some Followers are completly against ear piercing too.
We guys never agree on something normal in PF so do you think the issue of belly piercing wont be a big deal for Us?

When you are not showing ur belly to others then whats the use of piercing it? Yes if ur husband likes it then you may do it but.....
Khair.. let those do more research about it because i dont have enough knowledge to call it good or bad:smile1:

Laila

11-23-2010, 07:10 PM

^ That is why i wished there was only one solid, straightforward answer :pullinghair:

AnGaaR

11-23-2010, 07:28 PM

^ That is why i wished there was only one solid, straightforward answer :pullinghair:

This is the time to face the challanges of different islamic views :evilgrin:

Sister you better ask some good Alam al din about it and they might help you. There was no belly piercing during Mohammad pbuh's time so thats why nothing is written about it in islamic books.. theres always a will or a good way to ask 21st century related questions from the scholars , so get set ready and run to ask about it from them:runaround:

Laila

11-23-2010, 07:31 PM

This is the time to face the challanges of different islamic views :evilgrin:

Sister you better ask some good Alam al din about it and they might help you. There was no belly piercing during Mohammad pbuh's time so thats why nothing is written about it in islamic books.. theres always a will or a good way to ask 21st century related questions from the scholars , so get set ready and run to ask about it from them:runaround:

I asked a man whom i have known since i was little. His name is Imam Aziz, you may have heard of him, he is well known nearby :)

He is very well educated, wrote a couple of books related to Islam, and has this great gift in debating with Islamic matters. He told me it is permissible. As long as it is kept to myself and/or spouse (duh lol) Sounds right to me :)

roadrunner

11-23-2010, 07:39 PM

roadrunner;

What is that...a lame defense mechanism? Every time your exposed or criticized you blame Indians. There is an Indian behind every wall eh.

It wouldn't surprise me.

So let me ask you, are you Pakistani (I think you are)? A Muslim? A Pukhtoon?

I pledge allegiance to noone but myself and the four winds.

These questions are important to answer. Because you see, to a Pakistani, a Muslim, a Pukhtoon, forget about the naval, the knee and elbow are "private" parts. At least they should. And in societies where they are not, the most private of privates parts are not private enough.

I can agree that different cultures will have different standards of conservativeness. But then this is of course cultural modesty rather than religious modesty. So show me where it says in Pakhtunwali that the elbows and knees are private parts.

...does it turn me on? Well that is a tricky question....if it doesn't turn me on, I'm impotent. If it does, I'm a pervert? Wadda do mayn.....its taaafff!

No. If it doesn't turn you on, you're like me. When the call of duty arrives, then your potency is required.

But if I am, that makes me a pervert? I must feel bad and guilty now. How dare I get an arousal out of big breasts and a female naval with a shiny metal piercing dangling....should I make toba mullana saib?

It's just a metal piercing. I don't get what's so arousing about it. Breasts can be i suppose, but even then a gentleman probably wouldn't be.

U FAIL even in your own anti-mullah "I am a moderate cool male" persona..lulz you tried to be moderate but ended up coming off as a fundie by calling others "perverts" for getting sexual arousal out of SEX SYMBOLS. See your folly?

Could you elaborate? I didn't call myself moderate or cool, but thanks for thinking I am. I'm just me though.

Is it not perverse to be turned on by metal?

Lying about what? You said the naval is not considered private, well if it's not, Laila wouldn't find a problem showing it...would she?

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=D

Someone else suggested perhaps jokingly to show it, not me, was my point. It's up to her whether she wants to show it. She may consider it private, or just not want perverts looking even if it was her ingrowing toenail that was pierced.

Laila

11-23-2010, 07:48 PM

Last time i am going to say this, I will not show it to anyone. Period.

@ Roadrunner.......ewwwww at the thought of ingrown toenail :D

roadrunner

11-23-2010, 07:51 PM

@ Roadrunner.......ewwwww at the thought of ingrown toenail :D

i'm sure some perverts find that stimulating too ::rolleyes::

Laila

11-23-2010, 07:52 PM

i'm sure some perverts find that stimulating too ::rolleyes::

maybe so :evilgrin: just watch for the next post lol

Wrayun

11-23-2010, 11:51 PM

roadrunner,

I can agree that different cultures will have different standards of conservativeness. But then this is of course cultural modesty rather than religious modesty. So show me where it says in Pakhtunwali that the elbows and knees are private parts.

So what is it that stops the fathers of these young ladies from appreciating the beautifying quality of a belly ring? Is it their cultural Pukhtoon conservativeness or religious?

You never stated whether you are Pukhtoon or not (as far as I know), debating or making you understand Pukhtoonwale will be futile. But, elbows and knees are far greater things, midst Pukhtoons even the NAME of a female, yup, the NAME, is considered a "private"...let alone elbows, knees, feet, eyes or face.

Might I ask you where you grew up, and how much Pukhtoonwale have you experienced...if any?

No. If it doesn't turn you on, you're like me. When the call of duty arrives, then your potency is required. It's just a metal piercing. I don't get what's so arousing about it. Breasts can be i suppose, but even then a gentleman probably wouldn't be.

Well I don't know where you are from, but in our normal conservative culture, in fact I think in any normal environment, a naval ring embodying the sexuality of a female (as it is the fashion with such a sex symbol), and breasts (no matter big or small), should be stimulating. The only time it isn't is when you are desensitized to it...how is that possible? By constant exposure = PERVERSION..or maybe your gay..whatever.

I think it makes an individual a greater pervert that they'll need extreme dozes of sensuality to be aroused. Imagine the damage it would have on females psychologically. What does she gotta do now? All the stuff they inject, stuff, and put on their bodies...all of it done to look attractive (that means having an arousing effect)..no longer works. Poor them.

Gentleman? lulz hahahahahahaha that's what they call men at strip joints.

Could you elaborate? I didn't call myself moderate or cool, but thanks for thinking I am. I'm just me though. Is it not perverse to be turned on by metal?

Nope, not just a metal. It is what that metal is for, where it's at, and what are the cultural significance of it. Your so juvenile.....it's almost cute.

and come on...you know you are cool, mature, down to with the trends, gentleman...

Someone else suggested perhaps jokingly to show it, not me, was my point. It's up to her whether she wants to show it. She may consider it private, or just not want perverts looking even if it was her ingrowing toenail that was pierced.

So does that mean that her father is a pervert...most of the girls here says that their fathers wont allow it...Or maybe the fathers are not gentlemanly..maybe they are a bunch of 7th century neanderthals. How dare they, so strict and rigged, backward of them! So perverse...it's just a metal.

Laila,

Okay, can you guys please stop. You are really making me look bad, i sure hell do not appreciate that.

The thread asked for opinion on body piercings. I gave my two cent and said i havent been convinced enough that it is haram, and as far as I have been told by numerous people it is not, and i want it down for my own reasons. No one will see it, no one needs to see it, its really of no one's business. But i sure hell dont appreciate anyone's sarcastic tone.

Sorry if you think this was meant to make you look bad. Just wanted to point out how some gentlemen can come off looking like total fundies while trying to be "moderate". No one can make you look bad, except yourself.

Though I like to ask why is it that your father doesn't agree?

Instead of your friends telling you that hey, be considerate towards your father (whatever his reasons may be), don't do anything that will jeopardize your trust and relationship with him, they are cheering you to do it. Maybe they are right...your father is probably insane, illiterate, a barbarian who drives a cab...just doesn't understand it.

But I'm sure your a mature woman, with a mind of your own, not easily influenced.

roadrunner

11-24-2010, 03:32 PM

roadrunner,
So what is it that stops the fathers of these young ladies from appreciating the beautifying quality of a belly ring? Is it their cultural Pukhtoon conservativeness or religious?

Some do appreciate it. It's like earrings to some. It's nothing to do with sex.

You never stated whether you are Pukhtoon or not (as far as I know), debating or making you understand Pukhtoonwale will be futile. But, elbows and knees are far greater things, midst Pukhtoons even the NAME of a female, yup, the NAME, is considered a "private"...let alone elbows, knees, feet, eyes or face.

Might I ask you where you grew up, and how much Pukhtoonwale have you experienced...if any?

You do realize there have been many times in Pashtun history when women, Pashtun women, were showing their knees, elbows and every other "sexual" joint? What part of Pashtunwali says that a woman must not show the belly? If the belly is considered as honor then yes, she must not show it according to pashtunwali. But who determines what is and what is honorable to show? The society of course. And societies outside of pashtun lands have a different sense of what is honorable and what is not.

Well I don't know where you are from, but in our normal conservative culture, in fact I think in any normal environment, a naval ring embodying the sexuality of a female (as it is the fashion with such a sex symbol), and breasts (no matter big or small), should be stimulating. The only time it isn't is when you are desensitized to it...how is that possible? By constant exposure = PERVERSION..or maybe your gay..whatever.

I don't disagree that different cultures will define "private" in different ways. Unless you closet someone in a room in America or wherever you are, you will not get the same definition as someone in the Pashtun lands. Global telecommunications also has an impact in influencing cultures nowadays.

I think it makes an individual a greater pervert that they'll need extreme dozes of sensuality to be aroused. Imagine the damage it would have on females psychologically. What does she gotta do now? All the stuff they inject, stuff, and put on their bodies...all of it done to look attractive (that means having an arousing effect)..no longer works. Poor them.

I don't think that's true. It's more of a money thing. The tribes in africa that run around naked don't get any injections. Even in conservative societies such as Iran it is fairly common to "put such stuff in them".

Gentleman? lulz hahahahahahaha that's what they call men at strip joints.

You have such a one tracked mind. The word Gentlemen is used in many places, not only strip joints.

Nope, not just a metal. It is what that metal is for, where it's at, and what are the cultural significance of it. Your so juvenile.....it's almost cute.

Would you agree that I don't get turned on by metal in a belly button though?

and come on...you know you are cool, mature, down to with the trends, gentleman...

Why do I get the impression you think everyone is like you? :smile1:

So does that mean that her father is a pervert...most of the girls here says that their fathers wont allow it...Or maybe the fathers are not gentlemanly..maybe they are a bunch of 7th century neanderthals. How dare they, so strict and rigged, backward of them! So perverse...it's just a metal.

I don't know how many fathers would allow it or not like you. I suppose some would and some would not. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that none of those fathers would look at it as a sexual object. Some might find it beautiful of course, but not in a sexual way. If they can look at it like that, I'm sure others can also. I think you're a bit juvenile.

Wrayun

11-24-2010, 03:53 PM

roadrunner

11-24-2010, 03:59 PM

roadrunner,

Since you are not a Pukhtoon, it's futile to carry on any discussion with you in regards to Pukhtoons or Pukhtoonwale. Of course, I am not saying that we can't discuss issues with non-Pukhtoons, but with people like you who try to come off as someone that know what they are talking about while referring to Pukhtoonyat, Pukhtoonwale etc. it's a waste of time since you haven't disclosed who you are, where you are from (besides being a Paki)...and what not.

Wrayun shall refrain from feeding the troll further. No fun in arguing for the sake of the argument.

aaadieu!

lol. feel free. I've already had one guy run off debating from me. You're not the first. The point of posting is to reply to things and set the record straight. For example, when i say who determines what is honorable in Pashtunwali, you point out the page and reference, or whatever it is, that says, "this is honour, this is not honour". You clearly cannot do this. This is you being juvenile, not me trolling.

DaZahroJaam..

11-26-2010, 08:45 AM

hydrogen peroxide should never be used on a wound that is exposed. it will leave a scar on your skin and sea salt irritates the wound. bio septic and tea tree oil works on some people and it's useless for some others. polysporin will also irritate the wound but it does get rid of the infection eventually.
i had an infection that lasted me 6 months because i was too stubborn to remove my jewel and let it heal. every time it would get near to looking like a decent wound, i would either punch it or get my jewelery caught in something. i tried all of the above and they were all useless. i went to the doctor who said if i didn't remove it, i will lose my the shape of my eyebrow eventually. he gave me something called fucidic acid. i used it in the morning, by afternoon the wound was just a red mark. by next day after noon even the mark was gone. three more days of using that and the entire wound was gone. me and my piercing are living happily ever after. :smile1:

Senorita

11-26-2010, 09:06 AM

Wow
I think ear rings and a nose ring are good but piercing the belly is a bad idea I think unless you are engaged or married and have his permission to do so. Some Pashtun men & women feel strongly that belly piercings are done only by dancing girls/prostitutes.

DaZahroJaam..

11-26-2010, 09:15 AM

it's not a belly piercing. i think if one finds the need to pierce something that they are not going to show in public then there is no point in talking about it in public either. and yes, it is a personal choice.

Amir al Ghaznavi

12-06-2010, 02:38 PM

i want to get a tatoo...im thinking one of rahman babas classic lines

DaZahroJaam..

12-06-2010, 10:04 PM

just because pimps have a fascination with tattoos shouldn't mean the rest of us should be labeled as such for sharing an interest as such with them unless you are getting the word "pimp" tattooed on yourself.
i m sure more than half of you middle aged pashtanas have excused yourselves with your skinny jeans at the moment. not that there is anything wrong with it but please don't limit prostitution to a piece of drawing on some one's skin.
da yaw insaan pa insaan pejandalo wass taso ki shta na dey aow toll da jinnat pa tamma nast ye.
i fine them tacky for other reasons than the fear of God.

DaZahroJaam..

12-06-2010, 10:40 PM

It's haram and for us Muslims that is enough for us to not follow with tattoos.

okay bibi haji. whatever you say.

Roshina

12-07-2010, 01:35 AM

Lol, don't you want to be an Islamic scholar?

Nope. Who told you that? I certainly never did. I just want to study and learn for the rest of my life to better myself as an individual. I have no desire to be a scholar.

But about the post ... okay, if they/you say so. You clearly don't have a problem with it and would live your life according to their whims and interpretations; I prefer a different lifestyle, guley.

Fahd

12-07-2010, 04:42 AM

I prefer a different lifestyle, guley.
huh ?
diffrenet mind is better :tongue:

im not talkin else about what u just wrote :dead:

hmm i want also diffrenet style :ashamed:

lolz

khashayar

02-22-2011, 08:58 PM

All women should get belly button piercings. They're hot!! :hot:

eyeliner

02-25-2011, 06:45 PM

^coming from Tamika........lol

Fahd

02-25-2011, 06:52 PM

^hahahah tamika was hot :p

Digital Malang

02-25-2011, 06:52 PM

Chargull :blushes:

emkhan

02-25-2011, 07:05 PM

nan saba pa de jinako daa sa osho..... dwi kho khpal body parts discuss kawi da prado halakano sara ???? is this pukhtunwali ???

Feroza_Banu

02-25-2011, 07:11 PM

:shy: zma ham der khwashezhi chargul

Feroza_Banu

02-25-2011, 07:19 PM

^lol ... walaka khabara yam...

torkham

02-26-2011, 04:54 AM

Call me old fashioned and backwards, still I find body piercing on women [except earlobe] ugly. worse is men with piercings, unless he happens to be a real darwish sufi with all other jewellry and spinning his kalam to a high level near peer makbara.
same for tattoo except on women - the traditional tattoo on face of kuchi and some pashtun women.

DaZahroJaam..

02-26-2011, 04:57 AM

i saw a brown guy with a nose piercing the other day. not cool...

randolph85

02-26-2011, 05:14 AM

i had my septum pierced like 9 yrs ago.

sgulab

04-03-2011, 08:32 PM

I asked someone about nose peircings and he said that he thought it made them look like ppl that sell bangri.. or gypsies.

Kashmala.

04-13-2011, 04:06 PM

I like eyebrow, belly button, monroe, ear and nose piercings but there is no way I'd get them all .. I had an ear cartilage piercing but it got messed up and the hole closed. My mum wouldnt ever allow me to pierce my eye brow or get a monroe or belly button piercing, and nose piercings wouldnt suit me .. so i'm left with ear :P

DaZahroJaam..

04-13-2011, 04:23 PM

I got four spots my cartilage done all at once.... Went through much misery with it. Three years later I realized that I forgot to put the rings back on and that they are all healed now...let m nose heal too. It looks messy if you have too much done. I don't recommend the eyebrow to other afghan girls. Back when I got it, it wasn't a trend but now it has become one and that bothers me.

Catya Sher

04-13-2011, 06:57 PM

eyeliner

04-13-2011, 07:23 PM

This thread topic is so repulsive to even look at in the list of New Posts
that I wish it would be deleted off of PF -

It's a blight on the Forum.

Dwelling on this repulsive subject
feeds bad energy to the entire PF and pollutes the readers by its very existence!
Who would want to think about such a disgusting topic?

what's so disgusting about the thread topic? it's merely about the views that people hold in regards to piercings, so what exactly is so repulsive?

Catya Sher

04-13-2011, 07:40 PM

Even the very NAME of it sounds GROSS !
I won't even let myself speak or write the word.
I say "that awful topic, you know..." and of course no one knows.
But I still CAN'T use that word.
I think the concept has come from Shaitan and it's Shaitan who is
spreading this practice among those who are much influenced
by what their peers are doing and want to keep up with the Jones-Khans...

DaZahroJaam..

04-13-2011, 07:48 PM

This thread topic is so repulsive to even look at in the list of New Posts
that I wish it would be deleted off of PF -

It's a blight on the Forum.

Dwelling on this repulsive subject
feeds bad energy to the entire PF and pollutes the readers by its very existence!
Who would want to think about such a disgusting topic?

What I find repulsive is your habit of constantly dragging your ass where it doesn't belong.
No one sent you a royal invitation to be here in the first place. Is it old age or have you always been this desirable to kick??

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 07:51 PM

I think people that pierce their bodies have some psychological issues.

Sheenka

04-13-2011, 07:53 PM

there are worse topics than this ::rolleyes::

anyway it was fun topic, so eyeliner did u pierced ur nose lol

eyeliner

04-13-2011, 07:54 PM

I think people that pierce their bodies have some psychological issues.

what type of psychological issues?

Sheenka

04-13-2011, 07:57 PM

psychological issues ::rolleyes::

eyeliner

04-13-2011, 07:59 PM

psychological issues ::rolleyes::

:die: lol

Sheenka

04-13-2011, 08:01 PM

:die: lol

he has issues
::rolleyes::

eyeliner

04-13-2011, 08:02 PM

he has issues
::rolleyes::

:evilgrin:

Sheenka

04-13-2011, 08:03 PM

:evilgrin:

:awkward:

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 08:08 PM

I don't know.

I 've been thinking about it for a long time.

What I've observed is that such people are usually extroverted. The more extroverted, the more emphasis they place on their appearances. Since they don't reflect, and look within themselves, they are looking for ways to bring out what lies in them, of pain, outwardly on their bodies. Which is also why I think that body piercing and tattoes are more common in primitive societies. Since primitive people are less conscious of themselves and their individuality, they place a greater emphasis on portraying who they are on their bodies as a sign of differentiation. Even though it is suppose to be purely for aesthetic reasons, I think it is another form of sublimation.

Just my own two cents.

DaZahroJaam..

04-13-2011, 08:08 PM

I think people that pierce their bodies have some psychological issues.

Gul sanam Jan , seems like you know quite a lot about misery. What gives ?

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 08:13 PM

Gul sanam Jan , seems like you know quite a lot about misery. What gives ?

Hence I am called Alchemist.
E-motion is energy in motion.

eyeliner

04-13-2011, 08:15 PM

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 08:36 PM

Interesting. The reasons you give are more sociological as opposed to psychological though.

I don't think you know the difference :)

eyeliner

04-13-2011, 08:36 PM

I don't think you know the difference :)

so what is the difference then?

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 09:00 PM

so what is the difference then?

there is none (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology)

eyeliner

04-13-2011, 09:03 PM

there is none (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology)

you just said there was.

Fahd

04-13-2011, 09:05 PM

^click on it :smh:

kakargirl

04-13-2011, 09:08 PM

there is none (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology) its ok wror i don't even have my ears pierced,i'm a proper weirdo .

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 09:13 PM

its ok wror i don't even have my ears pierced,i'm a proper weirdo .

I think it became customery to pierce the ears of baby girls just so that they would experience some sort of pain ...because the baby boys all have to get circumcised...so maybe it was rationalized that it would be just "fair" to give the girls some sort of bodily pain too lol
i dunnoo...

Catya Sher

04-13-2011, 09:15 PM

kakargirl

04-13-2011, 09:17 PM

I think it became customery to pierce the ears of baby girls just so that they would experience some sort of pain ...because the baby boys all have to get circumcised...so maybe it was rationalized that it would be just "fair" to give the girls some sort of bodily pain too lol
i dunnoo...lol true they did apparently pierce them when i was a baby ,but had a reaction to gold so they just let them shut , so don't worry they did give the torture , everyone has to get tortured.

eyeliner

04-13-2011, 09:17 PM

I think it became customery to pierce the ears of baby girls just so that they would experience some sort of pain ...because the baby boys all have to get circumcised...so maybe it was rationalized that it would be just "fair" to give the girls some sort of bodily pain too lol
i dunnoo...

Possibly....but then how does that account for those that don't get piercings?

kakargirl

04-13-2011, 09:26 PM

That's GREAT, kakargirl - hope others will follow that example.

I think it IS useful to divine WHY this is such a craze.
I see that people who have zero self-esteem wish to perpetrate such
barbaric things as a way to garner attention from their age group.

Then some regret their impetuousness and immaturity later,
but have to pay a huge amount of money-- and pain too-- to have tattoos removed.
Bosses don't think too much of such ugly adornments, so they learn the hard way, by being turned down for jobs automatically.
catya sher i think ears are ok though its something thats always been done in nation to nation, my situation is that i had a reaction to gold so if gold is the purest metal and i can't wear it theres nothing left then to be honest.

Notorious Pashtana

04-13-2011, 09:30 PM

I'm not a piercing fan, but i'm fascinated by certain tattoos I see on LA/Miami/London Ink.

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 09:39 PM

Possibly....but then how does that account for those that don't get piercings?

possibly their parents aren't conformists who just follow the trends of society.

If I had a daughter. Inshallah. I wouldn't put her through the pain. When she is old she can decide for her self. There is risk of infection and I don't think Fatimatul Zahra (alihasalam) had it done, nor her daughters.

Fahd

04-13-2011, 09:42 PM

^LOL shia alchemist bro :p jk

i would make ma doughter get her ears piercing cuz she will be beautiful when she get piercing and its something Feminine

Notorious Pashtana

04-13-2011, 09:50 PM

i would make ma doughter get her ears piercing cuz she will be beautiful when she get piercing and its something Feminine

Babies are beautiful regardless of piercings :smile1:

Personally i think parents should wait till the girl is roughly 3 years old. Thats the age little girls tend to want jewellery anyway. I know of someone who's baby girl kept pulling on her ear studs (ouch), she was clearly too young to have them.

Laila

04-13-2011, 09:53 PM

I got my ear pierced on my first birthday.....and it was with an actual needle in Peshawar! Babies cannot remember the pain lol.....but i do think people should wait though, what if an infection occurs

Fahd

04-13-2011, 09:56 PM

Babies are beautiful regardless of piercings :smile1:

Personally i think parents should wait till the girl is roughly 3 years old. Thats the age little girls tend to want jewellery anyway. I know of someone who's baby girl kept pulling on her ear studs (ouch), she was clearly too young to have them.
LOL yh not a lil babies :p
but also not this Earrings
http://www.almadar.co.il/VIRUF/Earrings.jpg
but this one who i would put to them so they cant cashkeweh :p LOL
http://www.culturedlabdiamonds.com/diamond-earrings.gif

LOOOL :p

Laila

04-13-2011, 09:58 PM

In Pashtun cultures, when a baby girl gets her ears pierced, her mother, grandmother, etc place a small thread like earring in her ear until she is old enough to wear jewelery, usually when she marries.

emkhan

04-13-2011, 10:13 PM

__________________________________________________

Laila

04-13-2011, 10:14 PM

LOL yh not a lil babies :p
but also not this Earrings
http://www.almadar.co.il/VIRUF/Earrings.jpg
but this one who i would put to them so they cant cashkeweh :p LOL
http://www.culturedlabdiamonds.com/diamond-earrings.gif

LOOOL :p

The diamond earring will be too much for her ears lol.....you need small, normal studs.

Fahd

04-13-2011, 10:22 PM

The diamond ring will be too much for her ears lol.....you need small, normal studs.
:rofl: i just googled them and put them fast
LOL is it diamond ? haha :tongue:

Laila

04-13-2011, 10:23 PM

^ Yeah that is a diamond

Diamonds are too heavy for the ear for little girls

DaZahroJaam..

04-13-2011, 11:09 PM

faye

04-13-2011, 11:31 PM

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 11:34 PM

the varied reasons for body piercing are actually quite interesting and can be googled on wikipedia etc. they have nothing to do with the assumed 'lesser consciousness of individuality' of primitive people, alchemist.

thank you google /wikipedia...

we would have had to use our brains otherwise...thank you ....

*Mahzala*

04-13-2011, 11:35 PM

i can't stand jewelery....i buy them so often but as soon as i put on a pair of earrings i start feeling so silly...my sister helps herself to it so she has drawers full of nice stuff that were handpicked by me. :cryy:

And, I can't get enough of it. Even yesterday, I came home with a bag of goodies. Among my siblings, I am very jewellery focused, and so I know what you mean by feeling silly. Although it may not be, it feels overdone.

In Pashtun cultures, when a baby girl gets her ears pierced, her mother, grandmother, etc place a small thread like earring in her ear until she is old enough to wear jewelery, usually when she marries.

I had those, I see them in my childhood photos. I still remember as a child when I went to pre-school and had them in my ears the big girls on the bus would tease me by saying I wear threads in my ears because my 'Mommy' couldn't buy me earrings ... I don't think they stay up until she marries though ... ?

faye

04-13-2011, 11:40 PM

thank you google /wikipedia...

we would have had to use our brains otherwise...thank you ....

well, that's better than asking you to manifest a fantasy:smile1:

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 11:48 PM

well, that's better than asking you to manifest a fantasy:smile1:

so faye,

why don't you ask google why primitive people tattoe and pierce themselves?

let's see how skilled you are at googling ms smarty pants.

faye

04-13-2011, 11:52 PM

i think it is you who needs to do that sweetums.

Alchemist

04-13-2011, 11:55 PM

i think it is you who needs to do that sweetums.

Well apparently you have the skills for that, Oh great Oracle, because I couldn't find the answer on google/wikipedia ...so please ...I insist... since you already know it is on google/wikipedia ... then you already know why...so don't be shy...just muster some "honor" and answer

*Mahzala*

04-14-2011, 12:01 AM

That's GREAT, kakargirl - hope others will follow that example.

I think it IS useful to divine WHY this is such a craze.
I see that people who have zero self-esteem wish to perpetrate such
barbaric things as a way to garner attention from their age group.

Then some regret their impetuousness and immaturity later,
but have to pay a huge amount of money-- and pain too-- to have tattoos removed.
Bosses don't think too much of such ugly adornments, so they learn the hard way, by being turned down for jobs automatically.

I wouldn't compare tattoos with piercings, as the latter (within limits of course), to me that is, are more an adornment, and tattoos, in my very weak argument, are plain ugly. Neither will I call it immaturity as everyone's preferences differ.

What example? Of not having piercings or doing it at an early age? Everyone is different, as are every parent's limits and expectations. Why set such standards that can't be met?

faye

04-14-2011, 12:08 AM

Well apparently you have the skills for that, Oh great Oracle, because I couldn't find the answer on google/wikipedia ...so please ...I insist... since you already know it is on google/wikipedia ... then you already know why...so don't be shy...just muster some "honor" and answer

so, you must concede, women are better googlers than men:fighting:
try 'body piercing' wikipedia, silly:smile1:

Alchemist

04-14-2011, 12:21 AM

so, you must concede, women are better googlers than men:fighting:
try 'body piercing' wikipedia, silly:smile1:

No, I think you just conceded to the fact that women can't think for themselves...ah thank you.

Just stop it faye.

My brain is too powerful for you. As a matter of fact I am smarter than Wikipedia...but you just don't know :P

Laila

04-14-2011, 12:23 AM

I had those, I see them in my childhood photos. I still remember as a child when I went to pre-school and had them in my ears the big girls on the bus would tease me by saying I wear threads in my ears because my 'Mommy' couldn't buy me earrings ... I don't think they stay up until she marries though ... ?

Really......oh the little girls in my village are not allowed to wear gold earrings until marriage, then of course, they marry young.

I think when my grandmother did my piercing, she left the thread for a few days, then put her earrings in mine.

*Mahzala*

04-14-2011, 12:28 AM

Really......oh the little girls in my village are not allowed to wear gold earrings until marriage, then of course, they marry young.

I think when my grandmother did my piercing, she left the thread for a few days, then put her earrings in mine.

I had earrings in mine as a baby but then they got blocked. So when I was about four, my mother (who loves piercings and was so keen on us getting our ears done that when she took me, for the professional piercing when I was nine, she made sure I had three in one go for me) repierced them herself thus the strings when I went to school.

faye

04-14-2011, 12:31 AM

No, I think you just conceded to the fact that women can't think for themselves...ah thank you.

Just stop it faye.

My brain is too powerful for you. As a matter of fact I am smarter than Wikipedia...but you just don't know :P

facts, proof.....isn't that what the logical demand:evilgrin:

Gulbabo

04-14-2011, 01:34 AM

i think nose piercing is really pretty :shy:

Alchemist

04-14-2011, 08:21 AM

facts, proof.....isn't that what the logical demand:evilgrin:

premise 1: Primitive societies lack consciousness. Hence they are called "primitive"
premise 2: Primitive societies commonly self mutilate themselves.

Premise 3: Modern people self mutilate themselves.

Conclusion: Modern people lack self consciousness

Further readings with indepth explanation:
The Myth of the Modern Primitive: Emulation and Idolization [Guest Column] (http://news.bmezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pubring/guest/20030727.html)
Tattoos and Body Piercing: Adolescent Self-Expression or Self-Mutilation? | Psychology Today (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/popular-culture-meets-psychology/200907/tattoos-and-body-piercing-adolescent-self-expression-or)

http://www.i-c-r.org.uk/publications/monographarchive/Monograph37.pdf

Once you read the above come back and tell me that people that tattoo and pierce them selves don't have psychological issues. Then tell me that modern primitives aren't trying to use tats and piercing as a way to heal themselves.

By now its clear to me that you as well have tats and piercings since you are in completel denial of your own atavism. If you were introspective and self conscious you would have probably accepted your short comings (lack of consciousness) rather than question my logic by labelling it out right "fantasy". You could have asked why the issues have resurfaces as of late and become so trendy. And then we could have had a more in depth and meaningful discussion. But I know you will still have a hard time accepting this so you will continue being you ...stubborn and annoying. The above readings, and all "google/wiki" pages out there are based on authors opinions and their own hypothesis. My own intrepretation as at least less biased and more objective as I don't have any tattooes or piercing and don't need to rationalize the behaviour (unlike the above authors).

faye

04-14-2011, 11:02 AM

waffle, waffle waffle waffle....yeah 25 in each nostrel and a tattoo on the bottom of my foot says "alchemist lives here"

DaZahroJaam..

04-14-2011, 11:30 AM

You two are getting my nerves.

DaZahroJaam..

04-14-2011, 05:27 PM

You are the male version of staya sher. Go hang out with guys for a change. Unless you have earrings and bracelets to talk to us about. Stop throwing yourself at people. No ody wants you.:glare:

Catya Sher

04-14-2011, 06:29 PM

Kakargirl and Mahzala,
Yeah I think ears are fine - but nothing at all else unless one is a Rajasthani
woman carrying water with big hoop nose earring -
other than that I can't see any type of nose earring
as anything other than
revolting !

About Kakargirl's resistance to having the gold earrings - maybe nature didn't intend it for some women,
The body is just letting those women know by fighting back & making it too uncomfortable to bear !

After all in Chinese traditional medicine, there are a large number of what are called "meridians" - critically important energy pathways - which go through the earlobe alone.

So maybe it's not wise to interfere by forcing earrings if the body rejects them... that's why I thought it good that she doesn't use them.

Gulbabo

04-14-2011, 06:43 PM

Kakargirl and Mahzala,
Yeah I think ears are fine - but nothing at all else unless one is a Rajasthani
woman carrying water with big hoop nose earring -
other than that I can't see any type of nose earring
as anything other than
revolting !

.

do you mind explaining to me what you mean by your above statement. because many kochi pashtoon women wear nose rings and many of our 'mashraan', as to older femal family members, our grand mothers and great grand mothers have worn nose rings. are you insulting our mothers? ... even today, many pashtanas back home wear nose rings. it is considered symbol of beauty and tradition.

Alchemist

04-14-2011, 08:35 PM

^ my maternal grandmother smoked chilam so should I take offense to anyone that finds smoking repulsive?

Catya Sher

04-14-2011, 09:38 PM

^ Good argument !

Likewise, many of the men do naswar, so are Afghans abroad going to perpetuate that traditional practise?

I thought about that, gulbabo, before I wrote it, but I personally didn't see Kochi women with those nose rings. I associate them most with with Rajput women.

Either way, if YOU are in Afghanistan and wearing them, well fine - but I think we are meaning here in the West, where they look outlandish to most eyes.

faye

04-14-2011, 10:05 PM

perhaps you should get one of those evil eyes tattooed on your forehead, for protection from this dastardly world:angel1::angel1:

Gulbabo

04-15-2011, 01:47 AM

^ my maternal grandmother smoked chilam so should I take offense to anyone that finds smoking repulsive?

smoking chilam is a symbol of beauty in your culture? if so, u have every right to feel offended.

kakargirl

04-15-2011, 02:28 AM

torkham

04-15-2011, 03:29 AM

premise 1: Primitive societies lack consciousness. Hence they are called "primitive"premise 2: Primitive societies commonly self mutilate themselves.

Premise 3: Modern people self mutilate themselves.

Conclusion: Modern people lack self consciousness

reference to your first premise [Primitive societies lack consciousness. Hence they are called "primitive"], if primitive societies lack consciousness, surely it therefore implies primitive societies are unconscious, and this would lead to your connclusion requiring adjusting, something like "modern people are unconscious". ok tautology;)

now, my thoughts kuchi and bedouin women; you will observe facial tattoos. bedouin culture predates islam (kuchi culture i am not certain of its origin), however there isn't vociferous campaign in hadith against such practices. I am looking for strong campaign, in same intensity as prohibition of alcohol and swine.

my natural feelings are against tattoos, as some one mentioned, sanctity of wudu is washed away, it is clear makeup has to be removed, makeup, like tattoo is decoration.

ear lobe piercings, ok.
nose piercing is too much like dothead culture.
any other piercing is alien.

best solution for practice; sunna.

Alchemist

04-15-2011, 08:10 AM

reference to your first premise [Primitive societies lack consciousness. Hence they are called "primitive"], if primitive societies lack consciousness, surely it therefore implies primitive societies are unconscious, and this would lead to your connclusion requiring adjusting, something like "modern people are unconscious". ok tautology;)

now, my thoughts kuchi and bedouin women; you will observe facial tattoos. bedouin culture predates islam (kuchi culture i am not certain of its origin), however there isn't vociferous campaign in hadith against such practices. I am looking for strong campaign, in same intensity as prohibition of alcohol and swine.

my natural feelings are against tattoos, as some one mentioned, sanctity of wudu is washed away, it is clear makeup has to be removed, makeup, like tattoo is decoration.

ear lobe piercings, ok.
nose piercing is too much like dothead culture.
any other piercing is alien.

best solution for practice; sunna.

Salam

I didn't say that they are "unconscious" but that they lack it. And the word lack in this context means that they are "ignorant". Jahil. (Couldn't use the word jahil for a someone who doesn't know what it means). And yes modern man is jahil. tautology? What..ever.

Even if you search the books of ahadith, those that make markings on their bodies, including the bedoins and the kuchis, are deemed jahil. The Sahaba considered it a reminent of the days of Jahiliya.

The ulama of deen are "vocifurious" even for plucking eye brows, because they consider the act to be "changing the khalq of Allah", so obviously piercings and dots follow the same line of logic.

There wasn't a "strong campaign" against khamr even during the times of the holy prophet peace be upon him. He just said to his companions that they shouldn't do it, and they didn't question him or disobey him.

Alchemist

04-15-2011, 08:18 AM

smoking chilam is a symbol of beauty in your culture? if so, u have every right to feel offended.

it's a symbol of coolness...

You should not be offended if I just called the practice of dotting tattooes as an act of jahiliya. It is what it is. And you can't deny it.

faye

04-15-2011, 08:20 AM

in what way are primitive people lacking in consciousness and what are they ignorant of, alchemist?

Alchemist

04-15-2011, 09:42 AM

Sometimes I use the word primitive in the primordial sense and not a value judgment.

The primitive mind is mainly heuristical.
Civilization contrasts against the primitive. So look up the qualities that make a society civilized, and you will see what is lacking in a primitive society.

Definition of Self:

self \Self\, n.; pl. Selves. 1. The individual as the object of his own reflective consciousness; the man viewed by his own cognition as the subject of all his mental phenomena, the agent in his own activities, the subject of his own feelings, and the possessor of capacities and character; a person as a distinct individual; a being regarded as having personality.

And when I say "lacking consciousness", I mean that they are "under the influence" of their subconscious. And if you want to know what I mean by the Subconscious...we'll have to start a new thread.