Dear all,

Here I will be posting and addressing human rights violations carried out under the pretext of war on terrorism, democracy and sustainable development. I urge the team of moderators not to delete or 'merge' this thread so that we can bring to light the crimes of those who try to lecture us on human rights and universal freedoms. Furthermore, I urge the moderators to delete all irrelevant junk that people will try to post to steer the youth away from realities and truths.

Unlike many others who like to make allegations, I will be backing up everything I post here with conclusive evidence - as much as humanly possible. The bulk of the evidence will be scholarly and official material i.e books, research documents, witness accounts and official memos.

With thanks,
Akbar

Memorandum for George Bush from Alberto Gonzales, then Chief Legal Counsel to the President, highlighting various rationales for circumventing Geneva and War Crimes Act.

Dated 01/02/02 this is the official memo to the president. Official Memo (http://www.afghanvoice.com/classified/02.pdf)

What was previously just a set of allegations is now proven: large numbers of people have been abducted from various locations across the world and transferred to countries where they have been persecuted and where it is known that torture is common practice.

Below is a rendition report by Swiss politician, **** Marty, for the Council of Europe-- an organization which oversees the European Court of Human Rights. Marty uncovered black sites in Romania and Poland and concluded the CIA's rendition program gave "rise to repeated serious breaches of human rights"

Official document (http://www.afghanvoice.com/classified/INQ6.pdf)

sorry for flooding. wont happen again

sorry for flooding. wont happen again

eh? flooding? where?

Sangar khan,

What do you think of operation mongoose and northwoods? What human rights and international law violations were involved? Also to what extent did the US administration approve of the planned tactics?

Do we see an implementation of Operation Northwoods in current day political arena?

nice initiative.

Yep, I am still waiting on the 'human rights activists' on this forum to come and beat their chests on human rights in this thread. :)

Human rights only exists in the USA as opposed to Afghanistan

Think of any human rights violation that crosses your mind and I will see if I can provide you with evidence that US has committed it.

Great thread.. i look forward to reading more.

Great thread.. i look forward to reading more.

I am still waiting for human rights champion Ozymandias and his band lol

I am still waiting for human rights champion Ozymandias and his band lol
he is probably on some other Muslim community forum bashing Islam.

he is probably on some other Muslim community forum bashing Islam.

No he is here but he knows he is going to get slated like a kiddie over human rights in the light of international law, he rather stick to arbitrary threads where he can talk gibberish and get away with it :)

dear akbar khan have u ever criticised the Sudanese chauvinist arab govt for human right violation against African people in darfor region?have u ever criticised the turkish,syrian and iranian govts for their atrocties against Kurdish people?have u ever criticised the Pakistani praetorian Punjabi establishment crimes against oppresses ethnic minorities?

dear akbar khan have u ever criticised the Sudanese chauvinist arab govt for human right violation against African people in darfor region?have u ever criticised the turkish,syrian and iranian govts for their atrocties against Kurdish people?have u ever criticised the Pakistani praetorian Punjabi establishment crimes against oppresses ethnic minorities?

Yes, I have even criticised Afghans for their double standards as far as Hazaras are concerned, so don't you for a second think that I am biased or ethnocentric!

The issues you have brought up are familiar to many. There are countless other violations of human rights and international law that most people are oblivious to i.e Turkish annexation and oppression against Cyprus!

I am not here to obsecure our own faults and only point out American empire's human rights violations, but rather it is to examine every nation's track record and their double standards.

What I find interesting is that the same people who start threads under the pretext of human rights to bash Islam, dont dare to come and discuss things in the light of international law and UN charter.

Excerpt from a documentary book written J Jaffer titled Administration of Torture: A Documentary Record from Washington to Abu Ghraib and Beyond


The government’s own documents tell a starkly different story. In October 2003, the ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, Physicians for a Human Rights, Veterans for Common Sense, and Veterans for Peace
fi led a request under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) for government records concerning the treatment of prisoners apprehended by the United States in connection with the “war on terror.” A lawsuit filed in New York to enforce the FOIA request has since resulted in the release of thousands of government documents. While the government continues to withhold many key records, the documents that have been released show that the abuse and torture of prisoners was not limited to Abu Ghraib but was pervasive in U.S. detention facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan and at Guantánamo Bay, and that the maltreatment of prisoners resulted in large part from decisions made by senior civilian and military officials. These decisions, moreover, were reaffirmed repeatedly, even in the face of complaints from law enforcement and military personnel that the policies were illegal and ineffective, and even after countless prisoners—including prisoners not thought to have any connection to terrorism—were abused, tortured, or killed in custody.

Written by 'Don Compos', this is one of the blueprints for the interrogation system employed by the CIA and US armed forces in the 'war on terror' -- a regime engineered to elicit debility, dependence and dread.

Below is an excerpt from a noforn CIA document, if you would like a copy let me know I can provide it.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8492/20766259.jpg

What unjustice happened to Hazaras?

They were subject to systematic oppression by nearly all administrations. Apart from being janitors and cleaners they were denied the right to hold positions in government institutions. All other communities were racist towards them seeing them as lowly, exploiting their position in Afghanistan the imperialism of America is now empowering them! Hence we will reap what we have sown!

do you think its becuase they were different race or becuase they were shia, or both?

Both really, but the predominant factor has always been their ethnicity, hence, the very term 'hazara' has been turned into a slur. However, it would be incorrect to state that their Shia belief does not play any role in this. The bulk of the Hazaras are inclined towards Iran because of their belief, this is natural so it is the duty of the administration to keep them in check by strategizing good policies to reduce Iranian influence.

A good policy would have been to systematically disperse them throughout Afghanistan in a humane and honourable manner. This would have neutralized them and would have weakened their solidarity with our adversaries on the other side of the border, but no, instead our administrations have allowed them to create densely populated communities which have now turned into thorns.

Isn't this a failure on our part that we haven't been able to integrate them into our society? Shouldn't we work on ways in the future to insure their rights and give them their share so they don't backstab us. Is it our politicians fault or the hazaras just don't want to integrate because they see us as different and our goals and their goals are different.? Why would they betray us if we treated them good and gave them their fair share. I think its as much our fault as its theirs. We need better policies towards them. We should integrate them as much as we can. We should give them no reason to turn to Iran and work for their intrests. I think this problem will be solved by integrating them into our society.

P.S. sorry for derailing this thread, i won't ask any more questions here regardng hazras.

No problem, please refer to my previous reply I have already addressed this.

Our failures are endless, we have failed to integrate people who are despised by our adversaries! Iranians can not stand Hazaras, they see them as lowly - yet still Hazara's run towards them attempting to seek solace in Shia belief as a result of our injustices and oppression!

Sangar khan,

What do you think of operation mongoose and northwoods? What human rights and international law violations were involved? Also to what extent did the US administration approve of the planned tactics?

Do we see an implementation of Operation Northwoods in current day political arena?

operation northwoods?
:hairy:

Think of any human rights violation that crosses your mind and I will see if I can provide you with evidence that US has committed it.

calling in airstrike on ANA in kunar

i bet you can never find evidence beacuse these things arent even reported

geneva conventions ,human rights only exist for the west not for anyone else look at whats going on in afghanistan who cares about those people no one where is geneva conventions oh i forgot its not the west this is happening to how dumb of me .

i've been asking for years, "what, lie detector tests don't work on muslims????"
no excuse for torture and totally against democratic ideals. during the iraq war, after the claims of torture by the americans, one of them came to australia to encourage australia to approve 'torture'. i coul not believe this guy! as far as i heard he was considered a joke and ignored.
i read a report about the rape of a 14 year old iraqi girl by americans and was searching for info on what punishment they recieved. i accidently logged onto photos of an iraqi woman being raped by soldiers. the pics freaked me out and haunted me for ages. the poster said that american soldiers had made cards of photos of the women there and would swap them and put them on the net. the military then were trying to ban the cards being taken back to the us.
the story of that 14 year olds rape and murder is horrific and the men have been sentenced, 5 of them, i think, but not all were imprisoned.

i've been asking for years, "what, lie detector tests don't work on muslims????"
no excuse for torture and totally against democratic ideals. during the iraq war, after the claims of torture by the americans, one of them came to australia to encourage australia to approve 'torture'. i coul not believe this guy! as far as i heard he was considered a joke and ignored.
i read a report about the rape of a 14 year old iraqi girl by americans and was searching for info on what punishment they recieved. i accidently logged onto photos of an iraqi woman being raped by soldiers. the pics freaked me out and haunted me for ages. the poster said that american soldiers had made cards of photos of the women there and would swap them and put them on the net. the military then were trying to ban the cards being taken back to the us.
the story of that 14 year olds rape and murder is horrific and the men have been sentenced, 5 of them, i think, but not all were imprisoned.
faye if only the world had more people like you it would be a wonderful place but sadly thats not the case there are no human rights there is no geneva conventions i dont believe in it anymore after what iv seen in my home land it just dosnt exist it only exists for the west .

thank you, kakagirl. i hope i can live up to such a compliment.
human rights is only for the selected few, even in the west. especially for the rich and the white!

thank you, kakagirl. i hope i can live up to such a compliment.
human rights is only for the selected few, even in the west. especially for the rich and the white!well faye you won me over i agree with you 100% and you will live up to more than this compliment .

i just had to look up white phosphorous. unbelievable! i knew it had been used by israel an gaza but didn't know the exact effects. burning into peoples bodies, down to the bone. after effects not fully studied. oh well they are just experimenting then, are they??!!
there is also the use of depleted uranium in iraq and now, afghanistan. i saw a documentary about birth defects and cancers in an area of iraq where this was used. the villagers were interviewed and deformaties shown on children.
a site i looked up...www.rense- HORRORS OF DEPLETED URANIUM IN IRAQ, gives the story of how wind and dust will carry this toxic stuff around the world.