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Default 09-05-2010, 12:55 AM

The problem is that Pashtun ancestry is considered from the father's side. The son of an Afridi father and a Eusupzai mother will be considered an Afridi. Similarly, the son of a Pasthtun father and a non-Pashtun mother will be considered a Pashtun (who will 'inherit' his father's -khel, tribe, wife-beating miswaak, etc). However, if a Punjabi marries a Pashtana, their children will never be accepted as Pashtuns by the Pashtun society in general because, among other reasons, they will inherit their father's Bhattiness and Khokarness.

This doesn't mean I'm condoning the fact that Admin Khan has an 18 year old Russian supermodel girlfriend. Actually, he doesn't. Sorry, Admin! The main problem is language. In many marriages where the wife doesn't speak Pashto, the children don't speak it either.


"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".
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Default 09-05-2010, 01:01 AM

^ Yeah. Such is the sad state of patriarchal (sorry, I mean patrilineal) societies. ~sighs~
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Default 09-05-2010, 01:02 AM

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In many marriages where the wife doesn't speak Pashto, the children don't speak it either.
Exactly! So you'd think that the Pashtun WOMAN would be allowed to marry a non-Pashtun man, since she's the one who passes on the culture and religion and other values more than the husband.

But, really, it's more about power and dominance than about anything else.
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Default 09-05-2010, 02:36 AM

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The problem is that Pashtun ancestry is considered from the father's side. The son of an Afridi father and a Eusupzai mother will be considered an Afridi. Similarly, the son of a Pasthtun father and a non-Pashtun mother will be considered a Pashtun (who will 'inherit' his father's -khel, tribe, wife-beating miswaak, etc). However, if a Punjabi marries a Pashtana, their children will never be accepted as Pashtuns by the Pashtun society in general because, among other reasons, they will inherit their father's Bhattiness and Khokarness.

This doesn't mean I'm condoning the fact that Admin Khan has an 18 year old Russian supermodel girlfriend. Actually, he doesn't. Sorry, Admin! The main problem is language. In many marriages where the wife doesn't speak Pashto, the children don't speak it either.

Meh. I'm aware of that, I mean, hell, inheriting my father's -khel even applies to me!

But what really annoys me is that some men argue that it's a Ghairat issue and that it breaks the Pashtun blood line blah blah blah. I agree, our society is patri-lineal. But if those men truly were interested in Afghan/Pashtun heritage and the inheritance thereof, they wouldn't risk their children becoming whitewashed Pashtuns by name only by marrying Polish/Chinese/Mexican women and then still having the audacity to perpetrate Pashtun Nationalism and refuse to "give" their sisters.. or even daughters (!!) to Non-Pashtuns. It's a morbid double-standard.

Viewing as you usually speak what your mother speaks (ahem mother tongue ahem), I say we follow the Jewish codex that states that you are whatever your mother is.



Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan
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Default 09-05-2010, 03:12 PM

^ I absolutely agree, Mayana.

And do you realize what it even MEANS that you are whatever your father is? (Not just your ethnicity but your religion as well.) Think about it -- it means the mother has no identity. What's worse, in many cultures, the poor mother even takes on the name of her husband after marriage, as if she has no name, no identity of her own to bring to the marriage.

I mean, you'd think that a Yusufzai woman becomes a Durrani if she marries a Durrani or something. Um, no, that can't happen; you can't change your bloodline just like that. And the kids are no doubt both Durrani and Yusufzai, regardless of our claim that they're only the father's.

This is what impresses me about Mexicans: The children are recognized as both the mother's AND the father's, not just the father's; and they therefore have two last names where the mother's one comes first

Hah, we've gone so off topic we should prolly move these to a new thread, lol. No?
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Default 09-05-2010, 05:23 PM

YouTube - Awal Mir Sta Di Stargo


سلامونه

زما لۀ خوا په دې نظم تبصره دا ده چې دا د افغانستان د راډيو پخوانې رئيس شهيد سيلاب ساپي نظم دے چې په هغه وخت خدائي پاک ورله د اکبر پورې يو هنرمند او د استاذ ګلستان شاګرد ښاغلې استاذ اول مير په لاس ورکړې وو چې د افغانستان راډيو ته ئې کلاسيک طرزونه او سندرې وربخښلې دي۔
دا نظم که بل هر څوک د موجود طرز پرته اوائي هيڅ مزه به ئې نه وي ۔
ځکه په اول مير استاذ د اعلي پاې هرمند وو او په هغه پسې هر يو هنر مند هم د هغه په طرز کښې وئيلې دے چې ډير د سوزه او ګدازه ډکه نغمه ترې سازه شوې ده

په فني او د خيال په لحاظ نظم متوسط دے نه ډير ښۀ دے او نه ډير بد۔
د دې نه ښۀ نظمونه په پښتو ادب کښې شته خو د اول مير استاذ طرز ورله د کومه راوړو۔؟


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Default Can someone help me with the lyrics of this famous song by Sediq Shabab? - 11-25-2010, 11:41 PM

YouTube - Sediq Shabab - Laila Dera Shaysta Da (offcial music video)[/URL]

i think its an amazing song, i cant stop listening to it

but i wish i could know what he is singing exactly, can someone help me with translation of the lyrics?

thanks
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Default 11-26-2010, 10:54 AM

i would help u but i also can't understand him :P LOLz

i like this song and those two mybe brothers ?? LOLz they sing the same sound

YouTube - Taher Shubab " Yara Sta " Music : www.myspace.com/rashedatash

love how they do attan lol
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Default 11-26-2010, 03:14 PM

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thanks but i would like to get full lyrics if possible
Laila dera khaista da, arrawolay ye orbal day
Wallah da kho sada da, arrawolay ye orbal day

Ma wayal tso Bangri de kam di
Da wayal dak me ka ra Lasoona
Ma wayal cishi derta jorr kom
Da wayal jorr ka Taweezoona
Ma wayal kha ogai pa tso da
Wo de wayal, nah, khwakh me de aikal day

Da wayal kella ze bazaar ta
Ma wayal tsa khoshaye Zaan ta
Da wayal tor Kameez me khwakh de
Ma wayal za che zu Dukaan ta
Ma wayal sheen Tokray pa tso de
Da wayal na, Rang ye badal da

Da wayal tsok ye che ragorreh
Ma wayal raghlom sta Mahal ta
Da wayal chishi di raworri
Ma wayal Tik mi sta Orbal ta
Da wayal soor Shaal ba pa sarr krem
Ma wayal Orr rabandi bal de
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Default 11-26-2010, 03:18 PM

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Laila dera khaista da, arrawolay ye orbal day
Wallah da kho sada da, arrawolay ye orbal day

Ma wayal tso Bangri de kam di
Da wayal dak me ka ra Lasoona
Ma wayal cishi derta jorr kom
Da wayal jorr ka Taweezoona
Ma wayal kha ogai pa tso da
Wo de wayal, nah, khwakh me de aikal day

Da wayal kella ze bazaar ta
Ma wayal tsa khoshaye Zaan ta
Da wayal tor Kameez me khwakh de
Ma wayal za che zu Dukaan ta
Ma wayal sheen Tokray pa tso de
Da wayal na, Rang ye badal da

Da wayal tsok ye che ragorreh
Ma wayal raghlom sta Mahal ta
Da wayal chishi di raworri
Ma wayal Tik mi sta Orbal ta
Da wayal soor Shaal ba pa sarr krem
Ma wayal Orr rabandi bal de
i think she can't talk pashtu
can u translate it to english lol
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