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Default The Israeli Success Story - 03-04-2011, 12:10 PM

Since the 1990s Israel has been the most vibrant high technology cluster outside the US.

Several complementary factors have contributed to this; a highly adaptive innovative entrepreneurial culture, significant defense R&D spending and training of personnel; the highly skilled immigration wave from the former U.S.S.R since 1989; prestigious high education and academic institutions; pro-active government policy for the promotion of civilian R&D spending since the 1980s; and the presence of many technology multi-national corporation and a locally managed venture capital industry that was boosted by the Israeli government in 1992 and that by adopting the US VC model and business culture grew remarkably fast since.

More than 25% of the workforce holds university degrees; Israel has world class universities and research institutions

The Israeli Success Story
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Default 03-04-2011, 12:55 PM

yea Israel is also a shining example of apartheid at its best


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this is comedy
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Israel is democracy and apartheid cant be at its best in a democracy.
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Israel is democracy and apartheid cant be at its best in a democracy.
I was being sarcastic....


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Default 03-06-2011, 12:43 PM

well it can't be a good example of a democracy then. it is easy to find aout about new apartheid laws, which allow the military to evict palestinians from the west bank. by the thousands if thay so wish. colour separation in schools, of jewish children and more. just google.
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Default 03-06-2011, 12:55 PM

Muslims are then the worst culprits of apartheid to segregate by gender, food, dress,education etc. They dont eat non Muslims food. Dont want to get coeducation or education with other religious groups. Even they believe that non Muslims can never become their true friends and even some extremists go to the extent to apply the Koranic verse that kill non Muslims wherever you find them.

If Jews want to segregate their children in the classes on Judaism then this may be their right. May be this is good or others thus others dont have to study their religion. Muslims do the same to have separate classes of religious studies. This is not apartheid. This is giving each other the specific environment for the special requirement.
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Default 03-06-2011, 01:01 PM

More amateurism. Give countries dual citizenship, $3 billion/year, full technology transfer/access, full market access to the detriment of your own nation, remittances/investments from israel-firsters, hi-end military/economical/technology/political support, and you could turn afghanistan into a model state for pashtuns, arabs, and muslims. In the long-term this very (artificial) support will be the undoing of american influence in the region (and the world at large) because it's leading to actions that don't speak to a need for peace in the region, just power.

The technological 'miracle' is a leaching/stealing off of american r&d, and repackaging it cheaper and also making it more accessible to customers due to lax laws on selling equipment to nations/groups/terrorists around the world. The arms in Africa and South America are due to in large part to isaelis selling weapons to warring entities.

From Philip Giraldi, former CIA official (main points related to geo-politics):

Some Americans look beyond the bumper sticker definitions to recognize that Israel is indeed like many other countries in most respects but that it is also a special nation in that it has as its protector the most powerful and wealthiest nation on earth.
Washington will likewise oppose any government in Lebanon that is beholden to Hezbollah, even if it does not threaten the US or American interests in any way, because Hezbollah is the enemy of Israel.
Well, think again. Israel gets billions of dollars yearly from the US for no good reason beyond its ability to manipulate Congress and the media. Paul’s opening the door to a serious discussion about ending that subsidy is long overdue.
Israel is a United States national security liability and always has been. The relationship narrows the options that US policymakers can pursue in dealing with problems relating to the Muslim world. Arguments that Israeli and American foreign policies are and need to be identical based on shared opposition to international terrorism and other such "values" are fallacious and are based on constructs that are essentially false.
Israel’s bad relationship with its Muslim neighbors has led to frequent wars and more limited military actions since the founding of the country. In a normal world, the onus would be on Israel to establish a modus vivendi with its neighbors, but it has regularly chosen to use the mailed fist as its first option. Since it is a small country lacking in resources, it has only been able to accomplish this by seeking out what might be described as a force multiplier. To that end it has opted to use its powerful lobby to shift US policy in its favor, relying on America as a source of funds and both political and military protection. Its leading politicians have even bragged about how the United States does its bidding. This has trashed America’s reputation and has come at a real cost of trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. The benefit to the American people has been zero.
Israel’s enemies, even if they do not threaten the United States in any way, have become America’s enemies. This has made the US in the eyes of much of the world the enabler of Israeli actions and has in turn made Americans the targets of international terrorism.
Without the Israeli nexus, there would have been no 9/11 and there would be no hysteria about the danger from terrorists driving growth in government and the development of the anti-libertarian security state.

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And the relationship is expensive. It does so with American-provided weapons and maintains its edge through US coproduction agreements that essentially fund jobs in Israeli defense industries that compete directly with US companies that sell the same products. Even though Israel is one of the richest countries in the world, Washington gives it a vast array of advanced weaponry for free and also hands to it the technologies that enable it to eliminate American jobs. As Israeli companies can bid on defense contracts just as if they were American companies, they frequently also wind up getting the work that would go to Americans. Because of the high level of American direct aid plus unique tax breaks for American citizens who give money to Israel, Israelis have free medical care and university education, benefits that few Americans enjoy.
And, finally, Israel is not afraid to bite the hand that feeds it. It is annually rated by the FBI as the "friendly" country that is most aggressive in spying to obtain US defense secrets and advanced technology.
That Washington will define its own interests in the Middle East largely in terms of whether they are compatible with those of Israel is nothing short of betrayal of the Constitution, which established a national government that would benefit the American people and make them both safe and prosperous.

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Default 03-06-2011, 01:13 PM

osho, please read what i said. it is segragation between lighter and darker skinned jewish children, not for religious schooling. you are the one that gave israel as a fine example for muslims and you asked for debate.
what muslims could learn from the zionists, is 'manipulation',as mahatir pointed out. they have done an exellent job in that field.
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Default 03-06-2011, 01:33 PM

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If Jews want to segregate their children in the classes on Judaism then this may be their right. May be this is good or others thus others dont have to study their religion. Muslims do the same to have separate classes of religious studies. This is not apartheid. This is giving each other the specific environment for the special requirement.
Sharia law, is it? No seperation of church and state? Having people pay special (but equal) taxes so they don't have to fight someone else's wars? I like it.
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