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Default 05-14-2010, 10:49 AM

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You're clearly targeting one person here.

Put it this way. The Internet is an open forum, most members here live in Western countries where this kind of thing is shoved down their throats. Not for a second, can I begin to imagine that people are not affected when that is the culture in which they are immersed.

People like me, are hardly a walking advertisement for 'Western' values - I'm quite a traditionalist - and yet, some of the most "westernised" Pashtoons here think Tor_Khan is actually, not too bad. I might not like their position one single bit, but on this forum there are many who want to connect to their roots and the wider community and I think we should give them a chance.

Some topics flare up, and die down very quickly, and some topics can be shaped by what we add to them. Sangar Wrora, sharm au hayah sirf pa jaba na wee au na pa Klashinkov culture kee. Pa stargu kee, pa leek kee, pa khyal, pa sochuna kee hom wee.

I find it surprising that a couple of years at (western) universities suddenly turns folk into experts on Islam, politics and Pashtooniyat. Everybody wants change in the Pashtoon homelands - and before we think we've figured out the solutions, we should go and ask the people who live there what they think. The world is laughing at us and personally, I find all the dramatic exits on this forum embarrassing ... another Pashtoon goes down ... great entertainment value for anyone watching how we behave.

There's a massive disconnect that starts with those very qualities that to me - make a complete non-Pashtoon into a Pashtoon. Living in comfortable western surroundings, do we learn so little from our elders that we can't put anything they taught us to any good use? Things, like respect for the people around you, listening to an alternative point of view* and knowing that not every point of difference you have with a person ends in a duzz-duzz shoot-out. What kind of Pashtoonwali is this that we claim to be defending?

*think how matter are talked through in our traditional jirgas

Anyone disagree with a Moderator? Fine. We're human. You're welcome to pick up the disagreement and work through it with the Moderator - invite in another Moderator if need be.

But more than that, if you wish to challenge your fellow Pashtoons (mostly western Pashtoons here), use your skills of persuasive argument. Ghairatmand Pukhtoon agha wee chi da na khpal zaan spakawee, na bal cha.

I agree with most of what you are saying. One thing I don't get is, how being Nar Pakhtun can coincide with tolerating others to insult our religion and call it Arab imperialism.

Being tolerant to different views is one thing, letting ignorant little children walk all over us is another thing.

There should be a set limit that non_muslims or Islam-critics and their likes must not be able to cross.

This is a relatively new forum. And the conflicts and controversies what are going on now will shape the image and status of this forum for the future.

I think it a shame for us Pashtuns to see every online community turn into a stronghold of atheists, immoral people and Islam critics. Just look at Khyber watch and afghan forums.

Do we need this forum to turn in another circus where people come and make fun of our religion and ridicule us?

It's quite embarassing to see the whole Islamic world considering Afghans/Pashtuns as one of the most brave Muslims ever. And yet, when you enter an online community of Pashtuns all you see is ranting atheists and similar type of clowns.
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Default 05-14-2010, 11:06 AM

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Thats what I am upset about, I mean look at that "Imb" guy, all he do is bash our culture and religion.


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emotional abuse
What emotional Abuse?
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Default 05-14-2010, 11:45 AM

No he will stay, he is a great member.


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Default 05-14-2010, 11:58 AM

for the sake of pashtuns, i will stay, but i was going to leave tonight, but i will stay.

I forgive qurratgai for her deluded(Joking) views haha but i also ask her to forgive me for my strong approach.
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Default 05-14-2010, 12:02 PM

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So you are staying with us? Which part of Waziristan are you from?

Also change the thread title before people have a heart attack.

Iam from South Waziristan,Makeen

Iam bahlolzai Maseed same as hakeemullah lol
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Default 05-14-2010, 12:03 PM

Glad to hear that you decided to stay.


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For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."

The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

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Glad to hear that you decided to stay.
How did you get 80 so quickly, damme, i tort i was same number of thanks than you haha
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Default 05-14-2010, 12:06 PM

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How did you get 80 so quickly, damme, i tort i was same number of thanks than you haha
You are still below my level.


Still, nonetheless, Good job with your contributions. It obviously, clearly shows.

I normally wouldn't stay this but 7 members PMed me in less then an hour asking me to, ask you to stay. I was too busy sleeping obviously! I just woke up. *Yawns*


Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."

The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

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Default 05-14-2010, 12:12 PM

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You are still below my level.


Still, nonetheless, Good job with your contributions. It obviously, clearly shows.

I normally wouldn't stay this but 7 members PMed me in less then an hour asking me to, ask you to stay. I was too busy sleeping obviously! I just woke up. *Yawns*
I do admitt iam very emotional,i am no way a attention seeker.

I just get hurt very easily and iam scared seeing my people be so dependent on others, my father always told me never be dependent on others as one day they will wrap your neck with chains.

I am sorry for the big hassle, i shouldnt be wasting peoples time.

I love this forum very much!!!!!!!!!!
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