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I call anyone who insults the companions,the wife of the prophet,declare the Quran uncomplete or false,who does not believe in the Angels,Books,Prophets ( May Allah have peace and blessing upon them) and the last day...as kuffar.

It is that which is already said by the Ulama e ikram.

Now whether you have this beliefs or anyone else,i regard him as such.


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so that's basically saying that anyone who does not think like you is a kafir.

The Sunni Ulama do not claim someone who insults companions are kufar, just sinners.

all your "Ulama" are just Wahhabis; yes I know Wahhabi claim to be Sunni, but they're a totally different sect entirely. the Ahl Al Sunnah do not accept Wahhabis as their own.
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This smile is confusing me....so you think we (those a few not all here) are radical muslims ?

Since i do not participate in further Politica talk,i will delete this from my signature,i hope you feel comfortable.
The part "around the world" was controversial because in my opinion any reliable war/insurgent analysis should take into acocunt, apart from many factors, all cultural background, which includes deep knowledge of religion, myths, beliefs, customs, traditions, values etc. Any conflict can't be analyzed in isolation from this background. This is enormous knowledge and I doubt if any man who wants to be seen as a war analyst is able to learn all this, ie everything about every country. The world is full of so called war analysts, like the ones who advised to invade Afghanistan.
I simply think that narrowing fields of manifested interest to Central Asia (or any other region) will be more reliable.
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so that's basically saying that anyone who does not think like you is a kafir.

The Sunni Ulama do not claim someone who insults companions are kufar, just sinners.

all your "Ulama" are just Wahhabis; yes I know Wahhabi claim to be Sunni, but they're a totally different sect entirely. the Ahl Al Sunnah do not accept Wahhabis as their own.

My Ulema ikraam are sitting from those brought freedom to the Indians and Pakistanis in Darul Uloom Deoband to Quetta Chamman,to Darul Uloom Haqqania in Akora Khattak,to the Ulema Ikram of Jalalabad,to the Ulema Ikram of Ghazni and to the Ulema Ikram of Kandahar to the Ulema Ikram of Herat to the north in Mazer and Kunduz,to Turkistan in the east,to the north in Uzbekistan,to further north west in Iraq,to the north east in Chechnya,Daghesta to the west in Turkey,to the south west in Saudi-Arabia,Yemen,Jordan,Syria,Egypt and to the north in Albania,Kosovo,Bosnia,to the south west,in North Africa.


If you regard them as Wahabis,i have accepted that i am too a wahabi,and i am proud of it.

The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, in a rigorously authentic hadith, related by both Bukhari and Muslim,
“Do not insult my companions, for, by Allah, if any of you gave gold the extent of Mount Uhud in charity, you would not reach even a handful or even half a handful [of what they did].” [Bukhari, Muslim, and others]


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The ruling for the denier of the Khilafa of Abu Bakr and 'Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala ánhuma
The ruling for the denier of the Khilafa of Abu Bakr and 'Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala ánhuma
Sidi Muhammad Aqdas

It is evident that those Rafidis [tabarra’i] who insult Abu Bakr and ‘Umar radiyAllahu ta’ala ‘anhuma – even if they deny them being Imams and Khulafa – are definitely Kafirs according to relied upon books of the Hanafi school and the explicit writings of the jurists. It is in Durr al-Mukhtar that:

If he is a denier of any necessity of faith, then he is a Kafir. Such as saying that Allah has a body or denies that Abu Bakr Siddiq radiyAllahu ta’ala ‘anhu is a companion [Durr al-Mukhtar, 1:83].

Tahtawi, commentary of Durr adds:

And denying his Khilafah is also Kufr [Tahtawi, 1:244].

Fatawa Khulasa and Khazanat al-Muftin mention that:

If Rafidis consider Mawla ‘Ali radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu to be greater than all the companions; then they are innovators and astray. If they deny the Khilafah of Siddiq radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu; then they are Kafir [Khazanat al-Muftin, 1:28].

It is in Fath al-Qadir and Hashiya Tabyeen that:

If any Rafidi considers Mawla ‘Ali radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu to be Afdal [greater] than the first three Khulafa; then he is astray and if he denies the Khilafah of Siddiq or Faruq radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhuma, then he is a Kafir [Hashiya Shalbi ‘ala Tabyeen al-Haqayiq, 1:135].

It is in Wajiz of Imam Kardari that:

The denier of the Khilafah of Abu Bakr radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is a Kafir, this is authentic. The denier of the Khilafah of ‘Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is also a Kafir. This is most authentic [Fatawa Bazzaziya, 6:318].

It is in Tabyeen al-Haqayiq Sharh Kanz al-Daqayiq that:

Imam Mirghinani said that salah behind an innovator will be valid but not valid behind a Rafidi, Jahmi, Qadari, Tashbahi. It is gathered from this that if someone’s innovation is not to the extent that he is a Kafir, then salah behind him will be valid but Makrooh and if it does reach Kufr, then it is not valid at all [Tabyeen al-Haqayiq, 1:134].

It is in Fatawa Hindiya that:

The same is in Tabyeen al-Haqayiq and Khulasa and it is authentic. The same is in Badayi’ [Fatawa Hindiya, 1:84].

Also in Hindiya [3:264], Bazzaziya [3:319], al-Ashbah [Kitab al-Siyar], Ithaf al-Absar wa’l Basayir [p.187], Fatawa Anqarwiya [1:25] and Waqiyat al-Muftin [p.13] that:

Rafidis that speak ill of Shaykhayn radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhuma [al ‘ayadhu billah] are Kafir. If they consider Mawla ‘Ali radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu to be greater than Abu Bakr and ‘Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhuma, then he is an innovator and not a Kafir.

It is on the same page of Bazzaziya and in Barjandi Sharh Nuqaya [4:21] from Fatawa Zahiriya that:

The denier of the Imamah of Abu Bakr Siddiq radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is a kafir. Some said he is an innovator and not a Kafir; but the authentic position is that he is a Kafir. Similarly, the denier of the Khilafah of ‘Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is also a Kafir according to the authentic narrations.

Bazzaziya also has that:

It is Wajib [necessary] to call Rafidis, Nasibis and Kharijis as Kafir because they say Amir al-Mu’minin ‘Uthman, Mawla ‘Ali, Talha, Zubair and Sayyida ‘Aisha were all Kafirs [Bazzaziya, 6:318].

It is in Bahr al-Rayiq that:

The most authentic position is that the denier of the Khilafah and Imamah of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhuma is a Kafir [Bahr al-Rayiq, 5:121].

It is in Majma’ al-Anhur Sharh Multaqa al-Abhur that:

If Rafidis are only Tafdilis, then they are innovators and if they deny the Khilafah of Siddiq, they are Kafir [Majma’ al-Anhar, 1:108].

From the same book:

Whoever denies the companionship of Abu Bakr radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is a Kafir. Likewise, whoever denies that he is the rightful Imam, he is a Kafir according to the most authentic position. Similarly, whoever denies the companionship of ‘Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is a Kafir in the most authentic reports [Majma’ al-Anhar, 1:631].

It is in Ghunya Sharh Munya that:

An innovator is someone who holds any belief that contradicts the Ahlu’s Sunnah wa’l Jama’ah. Praying behind him valid whilst being Makruh until his belief does not reach Kufr according to the Ahlu’s Sunnah. If it does, then praying behind him is invalid. Such as the Rafidis who say Mawla’ Ali is God or that prophethood was for ‘Ali and Jibra’eel made a mistake. Such beliefs are Kufr and so is accusing Sayyida ‘Aisha or to deny the companionship and Khilafah of Siddiq radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu or to speak ill of Shaykhayn radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhuma [Ghunyat al-Musalli, p.515].

It is in Kifaya Sharh Hidaya [1:305] and Mustakhlas al-Haqayiq Sharh Kanz al-Daqayiq that:

If a Kafir innovates, such as a Jahmi or Qadari who say the Qur’an is created or a Rafidi who denies the Khilafah of Abu Bakr radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu, then praying behind him is not allowed [Mustakhlas al-Haqayiq, 1:202].

It is in Sharh Kanz ‘ala Fath al-Muyin that:

It is in Khulasa that salah is valid behind innovators apart from the Jahmiya, Jabriya, QaDurriya, Rafidi Ghali, those who believe the Qur’an is created and the Mushabbiha. Salah is valid, but Makruh, behind the Ahl Qibla as long as their innovation does not reach Kufr such that they are not Ghali. And a Rafidi Ghali is someone who denies the Khilafah of Abu Bakr radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu [Sharh Kanz ‘ala Fath al-Muyin, 1:208].

It is n Tahtawi ‘ala Maraqi al-Falah that:

The denier of the Khilafah of Siddiq radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is a Kafir. And Fath al- Qadir says the same for the denier of the Khilafah of ‘Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu. Burhan Sharh Mawahib al-Rahman says the same for the denier of the Khilafah of ‘Uthman and salah behind someone who denies the wiping of the socks or the companionship of Abu Bakr radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu or speaks ill of Shaykhayn or accuses ‘Aisha Siddiqq radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anha and is also invalid behind anyone who denies any necessity of faith as he is Kafir. His explanation will not be heard nor will his excuse that he said so due to a mistaken opinion [Tahtawi ‘ala Maraqi al-Falah, p.168].

It is in Nazm al-Farayid of ‘Allama ibn Wahban that:

Whoever curses or speaks ill of Shaykhayn is a Kafir. An even greater Kafir is someone who says that Yadullah means ‘hand’. The most accurate opinion for someone who denies the Khilafah of Abu Bakr radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is Takfir and this is the same for the Khilafah of ‘Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu.

It is in Tayseer al-Maqasid that:

If a Rafidi speaks ill of Shaykhayn radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhuma and curses them will become a Kafir. If he believes that Mawla ‘Ali radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is greater than them, then he is not a Kafir but astray and an innovator.

It continues:

According to the most authentic way, the denier of the Khilafah of Siddiq radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu is a Kafir. And the same is for the Khilafah of ‘Umar radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhu.

It is in Fatwa ‘Allama Nuh Afandi, Majmu’a Shaykh al-Islam ‘Ubaid Allah Afandi, Mughni al-Mustafti ‘an Su’al al-Mufti and ‘Uqud al-Durriya that:

Rafidis are Kafirs. They hold many beliefs of Kufr. They deny the Khilafah of Shaykhayn and speak ill of them. May Allah blacken their faces in both worlds. Whoever has any of their characteristics is a Kafir [‘Uqud al-Durriya, 1:103].

It continues:

To speak ill of Shaykhayn radiyAllahu ta'ala 'anhuma is the same as disrespecting RasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam. Imam Sadr Shaheed said: Whoever speaks ill or curses Shaykhayn is a Kafir [‘Uqud al-Durriya, 1:104].

It also has that:

The scholars of the ‘Uthmani era always had divine help with them. Whoever among them was the Akabir Shaykh al-Islam wrote fatawa against the Shi’a. Many of them wrote extensively and compiled monographs. It was the Muhaqqiq and Mufassir, Abu Mas’ud Afandi ‘Imadi [leading Mufti, ‘Uthmani era], who gave the fatwa of the Rafidis’ Kufr and apostacy. His fatwa has been recorded by ‘Allama Kawakibi Halabi in his commentary of Farayid Sunniya [‘Uqud al-Durriya, 1:105].

Ashbah, Ithaf [p.187], Anqarwi [p.25] and Waqiyat al-Muftin [p.13] all have it from Manaqib Karwari that:

Whoever denies the Khilafah of Shaykhayn or has hatred for them is a Kafir because Shaykhayn are beloved to RasulAllah sallallahu ‘alaihi wasallam [Waqiyat al-Muftin, p.13].

Moreover, many of the Akabir have explained that the Kufr of the Rafidis is such that even their repentance is not accepted. Tanweer al-Absar has it that:

The repentance of any apostate is accepted except for him who insults a Prophet or any or both of the Shaykhayn [Durr al-Mukhtar, 1:356].

It is in Ashbah wa’l Nadhayir, Fatawa Khayriya [1:94] and Ithaf al-Absar wa’l Basayir
[p.186] that:

The repentance of a Kafir is accepted in both worlds but there are some Kafirs whose repentance is not accepted. One of these is someone becomes a Kafir due to insulting our Prophet or any Prophet. Another is he who becomes Kafir after speaking ill of one or both of Shaykhayn radiyallahu ta'ala 'anhuma.

It is in Durr al-Mukhtar that:

It is in Bahr al-Rayiq from Jawhara Nayyara Sharh Mukhtasar Quduri that Imam Sadr Shaheed said that whoever speaks ill of Shaykhayn radiyallahu ta'ala 'anhuma or curses them is a Kafir. His repentance is not accepted and the fatwa of Imam Dabbusi and Faqih Abu’l Laith Samarqandi is on this. And fatwa should be on this opinion. This is what is decided in Ashbah and ‘Allama Shaykh al-Islam Muhammad bin ‘Abdullah Ghazi Tamartashi maintained this [Durr al-Mukhtar, 1:357].



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My Ulema ikraam are sitting from those brought freedom to the Indians and Pakistanis in Darul Uloom Deoband to Quetta Chamman,to Darul Uloom Haqqania in Akora Khattak,to the Ulema Ikram of Jalalabad,to the Ulema Ikram of Ghazni and to the Ulema Ikram of Kandahar to the Ulema Ikram of Herat to the north in Mazer and Kunduz,to Turkistan in the east,

Dar Ul Uloom have some good scholars, but most of it is garbage and the AHnaf consider them to be Wahhabi influenced. I went to a Dar Al Uloom based school too, Glad I saw the truth so I don't end up stupid like you.

Also Dar Ul Uloom people are very poor in understanding Arabic; they rely on Urdu commentaries and "Sharah"
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Dar Ul Uloom have some good scholars, but most of it is garbage and the AHnaf consider them to be Wahhabi influenced. I went to a Dar Al Uloom based school too, Glad I saw the truth so I don't end up stupid like you.

Also Dar Ul Uloom people are very poor in understanding Arabic; they rely on Urdu commentaries and "Sharah"
Wrong,we have better non-native arabic speakers in Daru Uloom Haqqania then you've got in Yemen.

The teacher in Arabic in the University of Medina,was an afghan

Which Ahnaf (you mean the brevlis,sufis) other Ahnaf are no remaining.

The Ahnaf have been regarded in three parties,those in between and little pro-deoband and the deobandis itself,to the last the brevlis.

We from South and Central Asia consider us to be pro-deoband.


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1. It is fundamental for Muslims to believe in the seal of prophet-hood with Muhammad PBUH, and the finality of the Message with the Holy Quo'ran. At the same time we accept the scriptures and prophets of Judaism and Christianity as our own also.

2. However, the Bible has been altered, edited, translated,etc so many times by numerous groups throughout centuries that it is difficult, if not impossible, to say which or where is the original Bible?
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Wrong,we have better non-native arabic speakers in Daru Uloom Haqqania then you've got in Yemen.
That's false; otherwise they'd have more Arabic publications

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What does that have to do with Dar Al Uloom? Most Pashtuns don't know Dar Ul Uloom; it was spread into Akora Khattak by Punjabis and brainwashed Punjabified traitors.

That is why Dar Ul Uloom is based in India not AFghanistan; it is not an Afghan tradition


Dar Al Uloom Al-Haqqania was made by the Pakistani ISI; which means you're trained by Pakistani Government; not real Hanafis.

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Which Ahnaf (you mean the brevlis,sufis) other Ahnaf are no remaining.
The legitimate Ahnaf are actually more centered in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt, Malaysia, Indonesia. .....Dar Ul Uloom are just a South Asian cult.

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The Ahnaf have been regarded in three parties,those in between and little pro-deoband and the deobandis itself,to the last the brevlis.
Deobandis are considered extremists; their hukum are resembling of Wahhabis.
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