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Default 09-03-2012, 02:04 PM

M17ArnoBaloch,
you had asked about how God could die--an excellent question. God is immortal, of course. We agree on that. The Bible teaches that Jesus was not only Divine but also human, both God and man. In His Divine nature, He could not die. He remained immortal. He died only in His human nature. Then He rose from the dead, becoming the firstfruits of the Resurrection.

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Default 09-03-2012, 02:12 PM

I've never seen anywhere in the Bible which explicitly states Jesus was divine or human

that is ad-hoc interpolation of what the Biblical text says
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Default 09-03-2012, 04:14 PM

Let me ask you something Zirey brother,you believe that Jesus was or is God ?
If yes,God must know every single thing....yes
If yes,did Jesus (pbuh) know when the judgment day is ?


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Default 09-04-2012, 07:06 PM

Brother 2010,
you may have in mind the verse that says only the Father knows the day of the end. The question then understandably becomes, If Jesus is God, how can He not know something?

The answer is that the Messiah Jesus is both God and man, as the prophets foretold and as Jesus' eyewitnesses, the apostles, proclaimed.
In His Divine nature, He is all-knowing, unlimited in knowledge. As the apostle Peter said to Jesus,"You, Lord, know all things." مالِکه تا ته هر څۀ معلُوم دى

But Jesus chose to limit His knowledge in His human nature. This is why it is also recorded that as a young man, "Jesus increased in wisdom and stature". And yet He is Himself the perfect Word and Wisdom of God.


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Default 09-04-2012, 10:48 PM

I honestly don't care if Zirey is a Christian, he can follow whatever idiotic babble he wants.

My concern is people like him trying to convert Muslims with idiotic hypotheses which only apply if you BUY the Christian Narrative in the first place. Many Muslims are naive and don't know much about Islam and Christianity and the fact that the Fundamental Assumptions of Christianity is TOTALLY baseless for a Muslim and at that BASELESS in reality outside of the Islamic Scope.

Christian "Theory", is you want to call it that depends on ONE concept, the idea that humans are intrinsically sinful and are suffering from the "original sin"

Without this concept, Christianity falls apart COMPLETELY, as then the concept of the Man-God, Crucifixion means absolutely nothing. And it's easy to see that the idea of "inherent" sin is nonsense as we don't see Infants sinning. if we were inherently sinful, we'd be sinning straight out of the womb

Islam holds no notion of original sin and what Justice would a Religion that argues you're GUILTY before you committed a crime be. If things are laid out plainly, No one would be duped into Christianity

we don't need these elaborate polemics that idotic Fanatics like Pakistan2010 uses. Just a straight approach.

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The only thing good about Christianity....... are Christian girls from Texas
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Default 09-04-2012, 11:33 PM

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But Jesus chose to limit His knowledge in His human nature. This is why it is also recorded that as a young man, "Jesus increased in wisdom and stature". And yet He is Himself the perfect Word and Wisdom of God.


What a bunch of excuses; chose to limit his knowledge? So how would he know to unlimit his knowledge, if his knowledge was limited

wow so many contradictions .....how do you get converts with these logical errors?
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Default 09-05-2012, 10:24 AM

Brother Zirey listen,i do believe Jesus (pbuh) was Gods prophet,he was the messiahs and was the son of mary and the miraculous birth of his child and he spoke when he was a baby...but does it not sound contradicting when you say such things.

He could have said : I am God myself,worship me ...why did he not say these ?

Why you guys drink from the blood of jesus (pbuh)...


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Default 09-05-2012, 10:38 AM

did he say 'worship me'?
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Default 09-05-2012, 11:04 AM

sorry my fault i forgot the dot.


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