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  • Najibullah and Ali M Latifi - two mental handicaps

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...838393817.html

    Mental handicap is actually not a proper term since that is insulting to the disabled.

    Generally, if you arrange Latifi's articles in order on Al Jazeera or under his personal webpage you see the classic farsibaan bait and switch going on (and save your breath if you plan to drone on about the "we are one people and this is an attempt to divide Afghans" b-ull sh-it - I'll accept that logic when I see Latifi write a nuanced and well researched article that represents all of the people):

    In this particular article, even within the pictures that are present, there are pictures of Mossoud, Karzai, Najib and a host of others - generally men that hated and wanted to kill eachother. In fact, Najib imprisoned Karzai, father and son, in an attempt to purge the burgeosie according to his insane application of Leninist doctrine. Yet that history is glossed over.

    Then, he proceeds to leave out the fact that urban Kabul is a world apart from village Behsud or any of the small rural centers that dot the Afghan country side. Try taking one of those Najibullah pictures out there and hanging it up in village square.

    What about the chowk in Kandahar? Are Najib pics selling like hot cakes there?

    Who the he-ll cares what Heela Najibullah says about her dad? Her word is about as dependable as that of Benazir Bhutto about her dad or any of the UBL kids about their dad. Their words mean nothing without associated proof. Merely because Heela has a messianic love for her dad and chooses to discount his reign of blood and terror doesnt mean that the people who lost loved ones will do the same.

    He tries to save some semblance of balance at the end with the quote about how Najibs latter day speeches are run online and that people are forgetting Najib phase 1 versus neutralized Najib.

    This sort of drivel permeates Latifi's other articles as well. Take Rock City Kabul where goths in kabul play green zone coffee shops. Once again, drop those kids into the true heart of Afghanistan, into the country side, and see how much they (villagers) like they music that is blasted at them during psyops.

    In other world events, he does his typical Arabophobic dance that is classically associated with the Persianized mindset. All problems, large and small from a dog dying to a bank failing to a mullah screeching leads to Riyadh. Take a look at Latifi's inane and infantile discussion on Sudan, glossing over the major role the US and the UN played in the division of that country; once again intervening in the Muslim world in a place that is sure to foment unrest and blowback. Instead Latifi paints the struggle as the desire of indigenous people to roll back the Arabs.

    Latifi goes on to quote Karzai aids and government officials who once served under Najib now serving under Karzai. Hmmmm, I wonder what they will say when asked if they liked their former chum. Let us not forget that former communist army level folks like Atmar engrafted themselves like leeches onto this government quickly shape shifting from socialists to capitalists gone wild.

    The irony in the Najib article is that it leaves out Najib's equivalent hypocrasy by the standard of his hardline supporters. Generally, what you hear Najib worshippers say (I call them Najibis since he is on par with a messenger for them) is that the Islamists took aid from the Americans (aka Kafirs) and that therefore makes them hypocrits. Odd reasoning considering that there is no religious injunctions on accepting arms from kafirs or even striking alliances (see the famed treaty of Medina for reference) as long as the Muslim group retains territorial integrity and control of the effort, but we will entertain it nonetheless.

    I would refer these people to the fact that Islam and democratic capitalism clash far less than Leninist Communism and democratic capitalism by definitions accepted to all three groups. As demonstrated by the cold war, the latter two ideologies are supposedly diametric opposites, nay? So if a democratic capitalist takes on the socialist communist mantra we might say that hypocrasy was even more evident in such an example than an Islamist acquiring capitalist credentials. I think that any student who has taken Marxism 101 would grin and show his teeth and accept that premise. How different democratic capitalism and Leninist Communism are in their creating a power apex in a society in which elites govern the fates of the masses shows that the demarcating line is much more blurry. For the sake of entertainment we will go with the textbook definitions though.

    So what then say these folks about this Leninist Communist

    http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/10/wo...ted=all&src=pm

    The same staunch communist, Najib Ahmadzai ---> tacked on the ullah at some point ---> appeals like a thirsty dog to his diametrically ideologically opposed enemy here in the NY Times:

    "The Afghan President's praise for the United States and his attempt to enlist Washington in common cause against fundamentalism marked the sharpest departure yet from the open hostility that has characterized relations between Kabul and Washington since Afghanistan's leftist coup of 1978."

    http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/10/wo...ted=all&src=pm

    Begging the Americans to save him and heaping praise on them after killing their ambassador, Adolph Dubs nearly 15 years prior.

    Fascinating, his supporters attempt to tout the Islamists as ideological jiggalos, willing to take Benjamins and Guns from Uncle Sam to get the "job done" but Najib's blatant ideological prostitution transmogrifying from a Leninist to Najibullah and then desparately into a wannabe ally of the leader of democratic capitalism is beyond ideological jiggaloism... its blatant ideological prostitution. But oh no, to the Najibis its genius manifest!

    Oh and for the Najibi fools attempt to take this part of the NY Times article to show that the man was a modern day Prophet:
    ""If fundamentalism comes to Afghanistan, war will continue for many more years," he said, the rush of his words repeatedly overwhelming his translator. "Afghanistan will turn into a center of world smuggling for narcotic drugs. Afghanistan will be turned into a center for terrorism."

    I refer them to his idiot disregard for reality when he forgets, 3 paragraphs or so later, about the fact that all America needed to control and clamp down on the central asian republics, even in the Taliban's victorious era, were willing allies like China and Russia.
    Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 06-22-2012, 01:49 AM.
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  • #2
    one should not underestimate them , 2001 the americans said they will not work with 2 groups , taliban and commis .

    this time they changed their mind , and dont forget afghan poltics is relative !!!!

    there are even taliban and ikhwanian who openly admit that compared to today back then, the situation was better .

    so the chances that some people will come back are very high , take for example bulldozar sahib sherzai , do you know ?many people he gave jobs and protection ??? his success defenetly doesnt come from topakian who are chewing naswar all day long .

    In fact, Najib imprisoned Karzai, father and son, in an attempt to purge the burgeosie according to his insane application of Leninist doctrine. Yet that history is glossed over.
    well actually he put them into jail because young hamid was working for the cia and was traveling back and forth between afg and quetta , his father was "khan " of karz village , and to be honest the tree was just as rotten as the fruit .


    and yes najibullah , was right with many of his assumptions , and they proofed to be true , and its no wonder considering the situation .

    after the the soviets went out , foreign powers still supported the war raging parties , in afg . the pakis could pursue the americans that they will take care of afg , and of course they leaned back watched the show and after every one who may have been a thread , was killed or fleed and the afghan state was destroyed , they picked up some to run their show .

    arabs who can not speak open infront of their american masters , tried with some cash to live out their colonial ambitions . or can you otherwise explain the presence of osama bin ladin and the rest of those cia assets ???



    i have to admit , you can write good , but the content is too superficial .


    at the end of the day it doesnt matter what you are calling yourself , communists , socialist , muslim ,talib , nationalist ,ikhwan,democrat ....

    some sold their country with atleast some degree of smartness to the benefit of their people , some did it for their own pocket , and some did for free

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      Originally posted by abassinafghan View Post
      one should not underestimate them , 2001 the americans said they will not work with 2 groups , taliban and commis .

      this time they changed their mind , and dont forget afghan poltics is relative !!!!

      there are even taliban and ikhwanian who openly admit that compared to today back then, the situation was better .

      so the chances that some people will come back are very high , take for example bulldozar sahib sherzai , do you know ?many people he gave jobs and protection ??? his success defenetly doesnt come from topakian who are chewing naswar all day long .



      well actually he put them into jail because young hamid was working for the cia and was traveling back and forth between afg and quetta , his father was "khan " of karz village , and to be honest the tree was just as rotten as the fruit .


      and yes najibullah , was right with many of his assumptions , and they proofed to be true , and its no wonder considering the situation .

      after the the soviets went out , foreign powers still supported the war raging parties , in afg . the pakis could pursue the americans that they will take care of afg , and of course they leaned back watched the show and after every one who may have been a thread , was killed or fleed and the afghan state was destroyed , they picked up some to run their show .

      arabs who can not speak open infront of their american masters , tried with some cash to live out their colonial ambitions . or can you otherwise explain the presence of osama bin ladin and the rest of those cia assets ???



      i have to admit , you can write good , but the content is too superficial .


      at the end of the day it doesnt matter what you are calling yourself , communists , socialist , muslim ,talib , nationalist ,ikhwan,democrat ....

      some sold their country with atleast some degree of smartness to the benefit of their people , some did it for their own pocket , and some did for free
      According to all Afghan sources and to the CIA itself OBL was invited to Afghanistan by Afghan leaders. Rabbani cleared his entance into the country.

      Also you are wrong about CIA affiliations of that person in particular. Listen to the clip at 4 minutes 50 seconds. Michael Scheuer was the man who hunted him for 2 decades and gave 2 sitting presidents 6 chances to kill him. He notes cleary that the deceased refused to cooperate or even meet with the CIA.

      In case you say this is just an American trying to cover his behind because an assett went rogue, you would be wrong because he clearly states that they have no qualms or shame about admitting that they were trying to recruit him.

      Last Word: Micheal Scheuer, former Head of CIA's Bin Laden Unit 1/5 - YouTube

      Therefore, the only thing Najib was right about was that he was about to be defeated, and that he had created the right conditions for a post revolution radical phase to arise. Thats not rocket science.
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      I do appreciate your feedback though and think that you have some fascinating information to contribute. I am sure your time is limited as is ours, but if you get the chance, most of us here would appreciate anything you can write about:

      1) Who are the Karzais?
      Many of us know of them because Abdul Ahad was in the jirga during Zahir Shah's time. But based on your experiences and knowledge of their familial history, tell us a bit more about the Karzais and their family's roots in Afghanistan.

      2) Specifically, who was Abdul Ahad Karzai and can you tell us more about Karzai's grandfather.

      3) What is the exact relationship between Zahir Shah and Hamid Karzai?

      4) Are you Popalzai? If so, can you shed light on how Karzai's family came to be called, in the media reporting, the leader of that whole tribe? If have talked to Popalzai who do not agree with that notion.
      Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 06-22-2012, 06:34 PM.
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      • #4
        well i will try my best , i would write more , but my english is not good enough and i dont have a pashto keyboard .


        given certain issues , i will tell you in brief what i know about karzai


        his grandfather backed then nadir khan and therefore got seat at the senat/jirga plus land . so did his father ,serving zahir shah-

        they were known for being rishwat khor and spent their days as "patrons" habouring/protecting criminals , or letting imprision people (of course not direct ) and then charge cash for freeing them .

        so they were not really popular and still are not popular .

        karzai lived a long time in kabul and people said his mother was sistaney , and moved later to khandahar , after daud khan took over they became a little bit quiet, but people still had alot of beef with them , so finally when daud khan was overthrown ,
        given to his time that alot of dauds officers even higher ranking ones came from khandahar and even from his own village , he had nothing to laugh and they went to pakistan .

        hamid studied in india and his english as his dari are very good , he found a "job " with the cia , moving back an forth between quatta and khandahar , giving rapports about the overall situation and jihad efforts .
        thats also the reason why he was installed .that was the best one they could find lol

        after 1992 he was part of the topakian goverment , and later were also quiet friendly with the taliban , till they killed their father , but i dont know why ... may be old badi ...

        well karzai and zahir shah , were buddies becaue of their fathes , karzais father got all this privilleges as his seat at the jirga because he backed nadir khan , and was good in suppressing " change or opposition of any form . "

        again daktar sahib , dont be blinded by some people who are smart enough to blind their western counterparts by suggesting and approving of their image of a tribal society , those concepts are overhaulled along time ago , they are actually just existing by name . you know each other ,networking .

        there are barakzais ,popalzai , alokozais ,who are taliban , who are commies , who are following ahmad shah massoud .

        so i guess none of them gave a **** about karzai and his family ?

        there are no more "khans " who lead their "tribe " and where people stand closley behind them , those concepts are may functioned one centuries ago ,but not today . and even back the it was an economical dependency , not the concept of aristrocaty . karzais family were also nobodies political wise before they backed nadir khan


        eople have seen the world , even if its just karachi or quetta in this case .

        the only khan which exists today in afghanistan is CASH ,

        i will tell you the story of one of the central commtee members of the parchami , in the 80s who today demands called de quam mesher .

        not because he is so , or does any power in this position , but actually he can milk the american political agents , be persuing them he got some influence by acting by their pseudo colonial assumption of afghan society and politics .



        regarding michael scheurer , his comments are just like ahmad rashids about the taliban .

        he says som truth . but not the full truth , and he misses alot of points , political wise and the regarding to the american policies after 1990 and the events before 1979

        there is book i forgot the titel , which describes the true reasons why osama broke with the cia , and i dont belive he did it because of his high moral values and his goodwill for muslims .

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        • #5
          You should talk to Millapat Noorzai here who probably agrees with most of what you offer - he was there during the Esmat Muslim days and saw a lot of the carnage. Manena - for the information.

          Take your time with any answers to below questions for my own knowledge -no need for rushing.

          1) What concern did the Karzais have with Daud and his government? Why did his family fear Sardar Daud?

          2) With regard to Sherzai - His father was Haji Latif. What is your view of Haji Latif himself?

          3) Mullah Omar and Abdul Salaam Zaeef. A) What are your thought's on Zaeef's autobiography and his level of honesty and B) A very general and open ended question - Who is Mullah Omar?

          4) Maulawi Paisani - the rural people have a good view of him in their memory. Do you think this is justified?

          Tashakhur


          Originally posted by abassinafghan View Post
          well i will try my best , i would write more , but my english is not good enough and i dont have a pashto keyboard .


          given certain issues , i will tell you in brief what i know about karzai


          his grandfather backed then nadir khan and therefore got seat at the senat/jirga plus land . so did his father ,serving zahir shah-

          they were known for being rishwat khor and spent their days as "patrons" habouring/protecting criminals , or letting imprision people (of course not direct ) and then charge cash for freeing them .

          so they were not really popular and still are not popular .

          karzai lived a long time in kabul and people said his mother was sistaney , and moved later to khandahar , after daud khan took over they became a little bit quiet, but people still had alot of beef with them , so finally when daud khan was overthrown ,
          given to his time that alot of dauds officers even higher ranking ones came from khandahar and even from his own village , he had nothing to laugh and they went to pakistan .

          hamid studied in india and his english as his dari are very good , he found a "job " with the cia , moving back an forth between quatta and khandahar , giving rapports about the overall situation and jihad efforts .
          thats also the reason why he was installed .that was the best one they could find lol

          after 1992 he was part of the topakian goverment , and later were also quiet friendly with the taliban , till they killed their father , but i dont know why ... may be old badi ...

          well karzai and zahir shah , were buddies becaue of their fathes , karzais father got all this privilleges as his seat at the jirga because he backed nadir khan , and was good in suppressing " change or opposition of any form . "

          again daktar sahib , dont be blinded by some people who are smart enough to blind their western counterparts by suggesting and approving of their image of a tribal society , those concepts are overhaulled along time ago , they are actually just existing by name . you know each other ,networking .

          there are barakzais ,popalzai , alokozais ,who are taliban , who are commies , who are following ahmad shah massoud .

          so i guess none of them gave a **** about karzai and his family ?

          there are no more "khans " who lead their "tribe " and where people stand closley behind them , those concepts are may functioned one centuries ago ,but not today . and even back the it was an economical dependency , not the concept of aristrocaty . karzais family were also nobodies political wise before they backed nadir khan


          eople have seen the world , even if its just karachi or quetta in this case .

          the only khan which exists today in afghanistan is CASH ,

          i will tell you the story of one of the central commtee members of the parchami , in the 80s who today demands called de quam mesher .

          not because he is so , or does any power in this position , but actually he can milk the american political agents , be persuing them he got some influence by acting by their pseudo colonial assumption of afghan society and politics .



          regarding michael scheurer , his comments are just like ahmad rashids about the taliban .

          he says som truth . but not the full truth , and he misses alot of points , political wise and the regarding to the american policies after 1990 and the events before 1979

          there is book i forgot the titel , which describes the true reasons why osama broke with the cia , and i dont belive he did it because of his high moral values and his goodwill for muslims .
          "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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