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    Saudi Rulers Pour Money Into Arming Militants in Region

    By Finian Cunningham

    August 11, 2013 - If Saudi rulers had more brains, they might be formidably dangerous. Even with lackluster intelligence assets, they are already causing enough havoc and bloodshed across the Middle East and North Africa regions, pouring millions-of-dollars-worth of weaponry into Al Qaeda and other Takfiri networks that are destroying once proud civilizations in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Libya through nihilistic sectarianism.
    And if the Saudi paymasters of terrorism could have it all their way, they would salivate at the chance of extending this destruction to Iran - the Shia power that they fear as their nemesis.

    Fortunately, the Saudi rulers’ agenda of covert terrorism - an agenda that serves its Western masters - is not well concealed. This is because “Saudi state intelligence” is something of an oxymoron and leaves a trail of self-incriminating clues wherever it goes.

    This uncovering of the real authors of regional violence and their motives curtails the plotters and will lead eventually to their downfall through their own damnation.

    Take the latest disclosure that the Saudis tried to bribe Russia into abandoning its long-time ally, Syria.

    Given their own venal form of feudal rule, the Saudis seem to think that everyone else can be bought at a price. Apparently, Saudi Arabia’s intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan dangled a $15-billion arms deal in front of Russia’s President Vladimir Putin if the latter would jettison his country’s strategic alliance with Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad.

    From past Saudi arms deals with British Premier Margaret Thatcher, involving multi-million-dollar bribery, kickbacks and other corruption, it is a fair bet that Prince Bandar also gave a nod and a wink for personal funds to be arranged for President Putin. To his credit though, Putin reportedly rebuffed any such treachery with the Saudis.

    But what is significant here is that the disclosure of this sleazy business - thanks to Saudi unintelligence - represents a fatal gaffe for the whole Western-coordinated conspiracy against Syria.

    For the past two years, the US, Britain and France have sedulously contrived a narrative that they are supporting “a pro-democracy uprising” in Syria. In this “noble endeavor”, the purportedly law-abiding and human-rights-upholding Western states are ostensibly supporting “freedom-loving rebels” out of the sheer goodness of their hearts.

    In one fell-swoop, however, the Saudi gaffe-machine has blown a giant hole in the Western narrative over Syria. This is not the first time that the Saudi loose cannon has swung around on its Western patrons. A few months back, a Saudi “thinker” close to the House of Saud let it slip to the media that a top concern motivating Riyadh’s interference in Syria was to neutralize the regional influence of Iran.

    In the meeting between Prince Bandar and Vladimir Putin, the Saudi spy chief went on to say that “whatever regime comes after” Assad, will be “completely” in Saudi hands.

    So, there you have it. It’s not about supporting democracy in Syria. It’s about installing a regime in Damascus that will be under the boot of Riyadh, which in turn, means that any such regime will be under the geopolitical control of Washington and its allies, and thus aligned in the imperialist axis of antagonism against Tehran.

    Of course, astute observers are already aware of the Western criminal conspiracy against Syria, and we should know this anyway from the preposterous notion that feudal-style Persian Gulf dictators are claiming to champion the cause of democracy in Syria.

    Nevertheless, it is valuable when this conspiracy is exposed and admitted to by the co-conspirators themselves.

    Western political leaders, diplomats and media tend to be more savvy in the art of sophistry and deception. We can analyze and identify their criminal agenda, but it is rare to uncover an admission. But the reliably hapless Saudi rulers have done just that in their bribery attempt with Russia’s Putin.

    Not only that, but in the same encounter Prince Bandar revealed much more about the criminal collusion against Syria. Another sweetener offered to Putin by the Saudis was that “Saudi Arabia would not sign any contracts damaging Russian interests by allowing [Persian] Gulf countries to transport gas across Syria to Europe”.

    Prince Bandar, in his zeal to grease Putin’s hand, inadvertently tells the world of a major strategic reason why the Persian Gulf monarchs are so keenly sponsoring criminal regime change in Syria. Apart from isolating Iran, there is evidently an important oil and gas incentive. It’s worth reading Bandar’s words again: “Saudi Arabia would not sign any contracts damaging Russian interests by allowing [Persian] Gulf countries to transport its gas across Syria to Europe”.

    It has been speculated before that the Persian Gulf oil and gas sheikhdoms want to obviate the narrow Strait of Hormuz on the eastern side of the Gulf through which most of their hydrocarbons are transported - some 17 million barrels of crude every day or nearly 20 per cent of the world’s daily total.

    Safe passage through the Strait is the gift of Iran, which controls most of the territorial waters.

    The Persian Gulf Arab dictators and their Western patrons know that if Iran is antagonized too far, then this maritime lifeline can be cut off and with that the petrodollar capitalist world economy will be sunk.

    Because of this strategic vulnerability, it seems that the Saudis, Qataris and Emiratis want an alternative oil and gas supply route out of the Persian Gulf, to the North West. Syria’s land offers a prime route for this Arab oil and gas to the Mediterranean and thence to the vast market of Europe.

    This would get the House of Saud and its cronies off the hook with regard to dependency on Iranian goodwill; and, further, the newfound geopolitical freedom would allow these adversaries to adopt an even more bellicose line towards Tehran - something that Washington and its allies would gladly approve of.

    Prince Bandar’s admission in his meeting with Putin, held at the end of July, attests to this plan of the Persian Gulf sheikdoms breaking out of the Straits of Hormuz straitjacket via the Levantine territory of Syria.

    For the Arab monarchs to achieve that, they have to overthrow the government of Bashar al-Assad - a close ally of both Russia and Iran.

    That goal, by Bandar’s own admission, is one more explanation for why the Arab dictators have funneled at least $100 million to the mercenaries fighting in Syria to topple Assad.

    The latest expenditure was reportedly $50 million, spent by Saudi Arabia to buy weapons from Israel for supply to the militants. Most of those weapons are going to the Al Qaeda groups, such as Al Nusrah Front and Islamic State of Iraq and Shams.

    Moreover, when Putin repudiated the Saudi bribery, it is reported that Prince Bandar then told Russian officials “the only option left in Syria is a military one - and that they should forget about the Geneva-2 international peace conference because the opposition would not attend”.

    In other words, the Saudis are self-incriminating by openly declaring more state terrorism on behalf of the Western regime change plot against President Assad.

    In this way, the Western propaganda façade over Syria is exploded more than ever by Saudi “intelligence”. The agenda is driven solely by geopolitics and oil and gas resources, involving state-sponsored terrorism to achieve these ends. In a word, it is criminal, and the criminals have just openly confessed.

    In the war of information and truth over the conflict in Syria and the region, the Western co-conspirators just shot themselves in the foot. Clearly, having more money than brains can have a major downside.

    Finian Cunningham, originally from Belfast, Ireland, was born in 1963. He is a prominent expert in international affairs. The author and media commentator was expelled from Bahrain in June 2011 for his critical journalism in which he highlighted human rights violations by the Western-backed regime. He is a Master’s graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in journalism. He is also a musician and songwriter. For many years, he worked as an editor and writer in the mainstream news media, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent. He is now based in East Africa where he is writing a book on Bahrain and the Arab Spring.He co-hosts a weekly current affairs programme, Sunday at 3pm GMT on Bandung Radio

  • #2
    West must stop arming terrorists in Syria
    hekmati20130904151903327.jpg'American public rejects war on Syria'
    Bandar bin Sultan is the director general of the Saudi Intelligence Agency. In that capacity, he has earned a well-deserved reputation as the “Prince of Terrorists.”


    According to the Wall Street Journal, Bandar is leading the rebel forces trying to overthrow the Syrian government. Many analysts consider Bandar a prime suspect in the apparent false-flag chemical weapons attack in al-Ghouta.

    Adam Entous of the Wall Street Journal says that Prince Bandar and his Saudi Intelligence Agency manufactured “evidence” that the Syrian government had used sarin gas prior to the al-Ghouta attack.

    Entous stated during a Democracy Now interview: “Bandar’s intelligence agency concluded that chemical weapons were being used on a small scale by the regime. Followed by that, the Brits and the French were convinced of the same conclusion. It took US intelligence agencies really until-until June to reach that conclusion.”

    In other words, Bandar used his money, clout, and connections to make sure that “the intelligence would be fixed around the policy” - just like Bush did with the alleged Iraqi WMDs in 2003.

    How did Bandar convince Western intelligence agencies to accept his extremely dubious claims that Assad was using sarin gas? Bandar found a Syrian who had been exposed to sarin and flew him to Britain to be tested. When the Syrian victim tested positive for sarin, Bandar pushed his Western intelligence colleagues to accept the far-from-obvious conclusion that Assad must have been responsible.

    According to Entous: “What the British found when they did the testing was that this Syrian was exposed to sarin gas, which the US and British and French intelligence believe is only in the possession of the Syrian regime.”

    But do the US and British and French intelligence really believe that Bandar - who commands hundreds of billions of dollars and a sophisticated network of covert operators and killers - could not have poisoned the Syrian victim himself? Obviously, they are not that naïve. Western intelligence is complicit in Bandar's attempt to frame Assad for the use of sarin. They were looking for an excuse to attack Syria, and Bandar gave it to them.

    Then when the huge sarin attack struck al-Ghouta on August 21st, knowledgeable observers immediately suspected a false-flag attack by Bandar's forces. According to Associated Press Mideast correspondent Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh: “... from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture (from the Western mainstream media narrative) emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the deadly gas attack.”

    More evidence that the terrorist prince orchestrated the attack on al-Ghouta emerged when it was revealed that the photos of dead children were not what they appeared. According to VoltaireNet.org:

    "Following the broadcasting of the images of the massacre in Ghouta, distributed by the Free Syrian Army and relayed by US and French services, Alawite families from Latakia have filed a complaint for murder."
    "Some of these videos were filmed and posted on Youtube before the events they picture."
    "They show children suffocating from a chemical intoxication that can’t possibly be sarin gas (the latter provokes yellow drool, not white drool)."
    "The children do not correspond to a sample of the population: they are all almost of the same age and have light hair. They are not accompanied by their grieving families."
    "They are in fact children who were abducted by jihadists (i.e. mercenaries of Prince Bandar) two weeks before in Alawite villages in the surroundings of Latakia, 200km away from Ghouta."
    "Contrary to the claims of the Free Syrian Army and the Western services, the only identified victims of the Ghouta massacre are those belonging to families that support the Syrian government. In the videos, the individuals that show outrage against the 'crimes of Bashar el-Assad' are in reality their killers."

    Is terrorist prince Bandar really shameless enough to kidnap children, murder them, and then present the dead children as alleged victims of his enemies? In a word: Yes.

    Bandar's shamelessness knows no bounds. The dissolute chief of “radical Islamic terrorists” actually had the audacity to threaten Russian President Putin with a terrorist attack on the Winter Olympics if Putin didn't stop supporting the Syrian government! Bandar claimed that he had the full support of the American government in delivering his bribe offers and terrorist threats to President Putin.

    Bandar, an intimate of the Bush crime family who is affectionately known as “Bandar Bush,” also appears to have been involved in the 9/11 false-flag attacks. Let's look at some of the evidence - admittedly circumstantial - that links Bandar to 9/11.

    Of the alleged 19 hijackers, 15 were Saudis. CIA sources have confirmed testimony from Michael Springman, the former head of the US Visa Bureau in Jeddah, about the Saudi “muscle hijackers”: They were CIA agents, presumably with a background in Saudi intelligence, who came to America on CIA “snitch visas.” These were special visas that the CIA offered as a reward to Saudis who spied for the US. (Saudi Intelligence is so closely connected to the CIA that it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins.)

    While living in the US, the future alleged 9/11 hijackers lived charmed lives. They trained at secure US military facilities, including Pensacola Naval Air Station, where Mohamed Atta was a regular partier at the officers' club, and Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama. Two of the alleged hijackers received regular checks totaling tens of thousands of dollars from Prince Bandar and his wife, funneled through US-Saudi intelligence asset Omar al-Bayoumi.

    Immediately after 9/11, all air traffic in the US was grounded. The only planes allowed to fly were special private jets that Bush and Cheney arranged to fly Bandar, along with Bin Laden family members and other Saudi suspects, out of the country before they could be interrogated by the FBI.

    Evidence suggests that Prince Bandar has been the operations chief of al-Qaeda, the CIA data-base of its Arab legion of mujahideen fighters, ever since the Afghan war of the 1980s. It is these CIA-supported, Mossad-supported al-Qaeda fighters that Bandar commands today in Syria.

    In short, it is Bandar Bush, Prince of Terrorists - not the well-meaning dupe Osama Bin Laden, or the shrill ideologue al-Zawahiri - who has always been the real commander of the Western intelligence operation known as “al-Qaeda.”

    KB/NN
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    Dr. Kevin Barrett, a Ph.D. Arabist-Islamologist, is one of America's best-known critics of the War on Terror. Dr. Barrett has appeared many times on Fox, CNN, PBS and other broadcast outlets, and has inspired feature stories and op-eds in the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Chicago Tribune, and other leading publications. Dr. Barrett has taught at colleges and universities in San Francisco, Paris, and Wisconsin, where he ran for Congress in 2008. He is the co-founder of the Muslim-Christian-Jewish Alliance, and author of the books Truth Jihad: My Epic Struggle Against the 9/11 Big Lie (2007) and Questioning the War on Terror: A Primer for Obama Voters (2009). His website is www.truthjihad.com. More articles by Dr. Kevin Barrett

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    • #3
      Wonderful articles. I will give link of this thread to my thread on terrorism.

      Saudi has caused havoc to countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mali, Somalia, Syria etc . Other countries so far comparatively safe like Bangladesh, Malaysia, Turkey, Central Asia(except Uzbekistan), Azerbaijan, Western Africa where influence of Wahabism and Salafism is still not substantial may take due care and may not let these bigots to open their madrassas in whose grab they promote their ideology.

      What an interesting conclusion that the real culprits are people like Prince Bandar and not Osama or Zawahiri. I am also impressed by the language of the articles and the terms used. Thanks a lot for sharing.

      Asad seem very innocent to me except the fact that he is a dictator.

      Is terrorist prince Bandar really shameless enough to kidnap children, murder them, and then present the dead children as alleged victims of his enemies? In a word: Yes.


      These words seem to be gospel truth
      If Saudi rulers had more brains, they might be formidably dangerous. Even with lackluster intelligence assets, they are already causing enough havoc and bloodshed across the Middle East and North Africa regions, pouring millions-of-dollars-worth of weaponry into Al Qaeda and other Takfiri networks that are destroying once proud civilizations in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Libya through nihilistic sectarianism.
      And if the Saudi paymasters of terrorism could have it all their way, they would salivate at the chance of extending this destruction to Iran - the Shia power that they fear as their nemesis.
      Last edited by Badlun; 09-20-2013, 12:22 PM.

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      • #4
        saudis have spread militancy and terrorism all across, I wonder why do they do this? I mean eventually these vary people will come back to bite them in the _ss. are they this dumb?

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        • #5
          To remain in power and enjoy the opulence, the Saudi oil royals must do as the US master demands.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by asad71 View Post
            To remain in power and enjoy the opulence, the Saudi oil royals must do as the US master demands.
            yeah

            like their suppport for the coup and massacre of muslims in Egypt.
            right?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ډګروال View Post
              yeah

              like their suppport for the coup and massacre of muslims in Egypt.
              right?
              Saudi Arabia finances and supports secularist military coup in Egypt to overthrow an “Islamist” government.
              Saudi Arabia allows American military and their unmanned drones to use the sacred soil to launch attacks on Ansar-us-Sharia in Yemen and ISIS in Iraq.
              The same military complex is also used to serve as a launching pad to invade Afghanistan and threaten other hostile states like Iran.
              In Syria, Saudi Arabia finances and supports Al Nusrah Front/ISIS and Ahrar as-Sham as they are all Salafis and most effective in battle against the Nusayri Shiite Bashar al Assad who is also secular, liberal and democratic.
              In Chechnya the Saudis finance and support Salafis in their battle against the liberal, tolerant and democratic pluralist government of Vladimir Putin.
              In Central Asia, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, Saudis sponsor Jamaat Tableegh and the Deobandi Islamic movement of Uzbekistan to oppose secular nationalist and liberal Islam Karimov and his likes.
              In Afghanistan, Saudi Arabis supports and finances Taliban to oppose secular nationalist and liberal government of Karzai and co.
              The Saudi foreign policy makes allot sense. They are occupied by America and facilitate America in their war against Muslim extremists. But at the same time, Saudis oppose and overthrow Islamists of Egypt which they financed and nurtured themselves in the 70’s and 80’s and 90’s. Meanwhile, they also support and finance Al qaeda in Syria and Iraq. The same al Qaeda that killed thousands of American troops.
              Basically, Saudi Arabia is like ISI. Extremely powerful and resourceful. They basically dominate the whole world. But their policies don’t make much sense.
              For instance, TTP in Pakistan is a proxy of ISI to oppose Pashtun Nationalism. That’s why TTP killed Pakistani Generals last week. It’s all a conspiracy of Pakistani state. They finance and support a group that is butchering its own military.

              Don’t ask me why this doesn’t make sense. But this is the general consensus of Pashtunforums intellectuals. To them it makes sense.
              Originally posted by Firdousi
              Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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              • #8
                1. I personally don't have that much of a problem with Saudi Arabia (I have defended Saudis on this forum).

                They need to end their Pakistani-centric policies viz a viz Bangladesh. We are not a province of Pakistan and are a sovereign state that must be respected and Saudi cannot bully our government and people by targeting our workers in the gulf, or supporting Jamaati war criminals.

                2. Other than that I have no major issues with them.

                3. Salafiyaa is a dangerous ideology. Some of it is good e.g. rejecting lots of innovations, excessive reverence of saints, emphasis on monotheism but it has some serious flaws, not just exclusive to it though but also to many interpretations of Islam which are heavily based on Bukhari's complilation of statements, 200 years after the prophet solAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam.

                4. A lot of "Islamists" are dangerous including the "Islamists" of Iran, or the "Islamist" rebels of Syria.
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                Shukran ya Masr!!!

                Thanks to Egypt for supporting Bangladesh against Pakistani harassment and support for terrorists and war criminals!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post

                  4. A lot of "Islamists" are dangerous including the "Islamists" of Iran, or the "Islamist" rebels of Syria.

                  there is no such thing as islamists , you are dumb to believe it.
                  rebels of syria are freedom fighters trying to take down an evil dicatator.

                  and those in Iran are fighting for their right to practice their religion while the Shiatin mullahs have been oppressing them ever since the safavids.

                  you are showing your true colors,

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                    Saudi Arabia finances and supports secularist military coup in Egypt to overthrow an “Islamist” government.
                    Saudi Arabia allows American military and their unmanned drones to use the sacred soil to launch attacks on Ansar-us-Sharia in Yemen and ISIS in Iraq.
                    The same military complex is also used to serve as a launching pad to invade Afghanistan and threaten other hostile states like Iran.
                    In Syria, Saudi Arabia finances and supports Al Nusrah Front/ISIS and Ahrar as-Sham as they are all Salafis and most effective in battle against the Nusayri Shiite Bashar al Assad who is also secular, liberal and democratic.
                    In Chechnya the Saudis finance and support Salafis in their battle against the liberal, tolerant and democratic pluralist government of Vladimir Putin.
                    In Central Asia, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, Saudis sponsor Jamaat Tableegh and the Deobandi Islamic movement of Uzbekistan to oppose secular nationalist and liberal Islam Karimov and his likes.
                    In Afghanistan, Saudi Arabis supports and finances Taliban to oppose secular nationalist and liberal government of Karzai and co.
                    The Saudi foreign policy makes allot sense. They are occupied by America and facilitate America in their war against Muslim extremists. But at the same time, Saudis oppose and overthrow Islamists of Egypt which they financed and nurtured themselves in the 70’s and 80’s and 90’s. Meanwhile, they also support and finance Al qaeda in Syria and Iraq. The same al Qaeda that killed thousands of American troops.
                    Basically, Saudi Arabia is like ISI. Extremely powerful and resourceful. They basically dominate the whole world. But their policies don’t make much sense.
                    For instance, TTP in Pakistan is a proxy of ISI to oppose Pashtun Nationalism. That’s why TTP killed Pakistani Generals last week. It’s all a conspiracy of Pakistani state. They finance and support a group that is butchering its own military.

                    Don’t ask me why this doesn’t make sense. But this is the general consensus of Pashtunforums intellectuals. To them it makes sense.
                    Lets assume that is all true, that makes them (Saudis) and ISI the most evil of people, because you never know who they target and kill next for their own interests, certainly what they are doing is very far from Islam, anyone with a bit of common sense can see that.
                    Last edited by Karachi; 09-21-2013, 09:51 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                      1. I personally don't have that much of a problem with Saudi Arabia (I have defended Saudis on this forum).

                      They need to end their Pakistani-centric policies viz a viz Bangladesh. We are not a province of Pakistan and are a sovereign state that must be respected and Saudi cannot bully our government and people by targeting our workers in the gulf, or supporting Jamaati war criminals.

                      2. Other than that I have no major issues with them.

                      3. Salafiyaa is a dangerous ideology. Some of it is good e.g. rejecting lots of innovations, excessive reverence of saints, emphasis on monotheism but it has some serious flaws, not just exclusive to it though but also to many interpretations of Islam which are heavily based on Bukhari's complilation of statements, 200 years after the prophet solAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam.

                      4. A lot of "Islamists" are dangerous including the "Islamists" of Iran, or the "Islamist" rebels of Syria.
                      You will hate Saudis, Salafis very soon when Bangladesh will have its own Taliban and Al Qaeda. Tableeghi Jumaat is already very strong in Bagladesh and very soon Deobandis will let salafis to have their strong hold and then Bangladesh will burn like Afghanistan and Pashtun areas of Pakistan.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ډګروال View Post
                        there is no such thing as islamists , you are dumb to believe it.
                        rebels of syria are freedom fighters trying to take down an evil dicatator.

                        and those in Iran are fighting for their right to practice their religion while the Shiatin mullahs have been oppressing them ever since the safavids.

                        you are showing your true colors,
                        The difference of Islamists and other freedom fighters is that Islamists like Taliban will try to impose the 1400 years old system of so called Sharia while other freedom fighters are only liberating Syria to have a democratic government by getting rid of the dictator.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                          You will hate Saudis, Salafis very soon when Bangladesh will have its own Taliban and Al Qaeda. Tableeghi Jumaat is already very strong in Bagladesh and very soon Deobandis will let salafis to have their strong hold and then Bangladesh will burn like Afghanistan and Pashtun areas of Pakistan.
                          I understand your concerns in terms of Bangladesh.

                          However there are some fundamental differences between Bangladesh and the two south-west Asian nations of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

                          Though radicalism is definitely a threat and should be taken seriously in Bangladesh it will never be as much of a threat as it has been in Pakistan or in Afghanistan. Bangladesh is a delta-region occupied by non-tribal people. The psyche of the Bangladeshi is totally different. Even our Deobandi scholars would be shocked with the foul language that Pakistani Deobandi and Barelwi scholars hurl at each other, let alone think of bombing or killing Sufi (Barelwi) scholars.

                          There is a lot of bad things about Bangladesh and Bangladeshi people to be ashamed of, which I do not mention in this forum because a: It is not good to wash your dirty linen in public b: It is a Pashtun forum and even if I post regular/positive news about Bangladesh there are complaints let alone detailed, in depth articles c: Thus all Bangladesh-related news I post here is (along with other Muslim countries) positive and to show that in addition to poverty there is also progress and things to be proud of.

                          So having said that there is a lot going on all the time in Bangladesh, and suffice to say something has happened this year (PM me for details if you wish) that has served as a fundamental red line to certain "Islamists" (backed by the west) which is a historic milestone and will be key in defining our relation with political "Islam" (I am a practising Muslim, who has been to Hajj and prays but I do not regard "Islamism" as true Islam and nor do I regard PF as the appropriate place for theological discussions - though feel free to PM me with any queries you may have).

                          Going back to Saudi.

                          Politically, Saudi has mainly been an ally and friend of Bangladesh and most Bangladeshi nationalists respect it.

                          We simply want them to stop their backing of Jamaat, support of Jamaati war criminals and harassment of Bangladeshi workers in the gulf.

                          This is in terms of political inter-state relations.

                          I do not support Salafiyya, and it is unsustainable and even Saudi is slowly giving it up e.g. they have sent 150,000 Saudis across the world to the USA, Japan, Europe to study in the best universities in the world.

                          This is the Saudi elite, the future Saudi doctors, engineers, the people that will run the country and many of them see non-fundamentalist societies.

                          Already many taboos in Saudi are changing.

                          In the modern world, Salafiyaa is unsustainable, and its demise in its homeland, the Najd (desert of central Arabia) will mean its demise in the rest of the world.
                          Last edited by Bengal_Tiger; 09-21-2013, 05:41 PM.
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                          Shukran ya Masr!!!

                          Thanks to Egypt for supporting Bangladesh against Pakistani harassment and support for terrorists and war criminals!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                            The difference of Islamists and other freedom fighters is that Islamists like Taliban will try to impose the 1400 years old system of so called Sharia while other freedom fighters are only liberating Syria to have a democratic government by getting rid of the dictator.
                            By the way just so everybody is clear. The uneducated troll, "graveyardofamerica" thinks I was referring to Sunnis when I referred to "Islamists" in Iran.

                            I am in fact referring to the Neo-Safawi fascists ruling Iran who have a Shia-supremacist/Persian nationalist agenda and in fact oppress Sunnis and non-Persians e.g. Balochis and Kurds.

                            In this forum in the past I am sure I have posted pictures of the Iranian regime demolishing Sunni mosques in the past.

                            Anyway both of these so-called "Islamists" (not representatives of true Islam) be it the Wahabis in Saudi or their counterparts the Khomeneists in Iran are a threat to peace and progress.
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                            Shukran ya Masr!!!

                            Thanks to Egypt for supporting Bangladesh against Pakistani harassment and support for terrorists and war criminals!!

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                            • #15
                              Dear Bangal Tiger

                              Your comments are really impressive. You seem to be a realistic person who depict things as these are ,not as these should be from the eye of imagination of an ideologist. I may differ with you in few things which I would like to share with you
                              1. Although this is a public Pashtun forum but you being Bangali or Bangladeshi is actively participating here so there are some other aspects of PF beyond Pashtun affairs. We have sections on religion, science, education,news, philosophy etc which are not essentially Pashtun affairs. Thus please share whatever you have so that we can learn more. We can use pm for very personal matters but for the general benefit of all please share every thing here.

                              2. Bangladesh like Pakistan and Afghanistan may have dark aspects which may shared here for suggesting remedies and having thread bare discussions so that we can diagnose and cure. I always point out bad aspects of Pashtunland for sensitization.

                              3. We may forget the negative past as 1971 and may focus on present and future. Pkaistan may have its problems but this country hosts about 30 millions of Pashtuns and the poor innocent villagers of Punjab have no fault in the bad policies of some Punjabi politicians in past or present. We are all humans and think positively not negatively as a fire in the house of my neighbor can reach y house too.

                              4. Bangladesh has a past with Pashtuns and is of particular importance to Pashtuns being a south Asian emerging economy. I have heard from a Pakistani friend that many Pakistanis including Pashtuns are now establishing their factories in Bangladesh because of the favorable environment there.

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