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Originally Posted by randolph85 acting as if secularism is the saving grace of intellectual progress in the islamic world is not honest. the islamic "golden era" thrived a 1000 years ago under islamic law, the kind of society that would make liberals of today hate muslims even more. if it were a simple matter of islamic fundamentalists keeping the muslim world backwards, than we would see all the "istans" besides afghanistan and pakistan excelling in these fields. the truth is that they don't, even with their near 100% literacy rates.
take iran for example, its post islamic revolution contribution to science and technology far surpasses its pre revolution past under the secular shah. |
That's actually not very accurate at all. The sort of society that you had in the Medieval Middle-East would utterly shock the modern Talib, Saudi, Salafi, Iranian cleric and Pakistani nationalist. You just have to look at their works on philosophy and their admiration for the Greek way of thinking to gauge how opened-minded their great thinkers were..
In fact, ibn Rushd's upholding of Greek logic was refuted not through a fatwa or death-threats but by a book written by the more orthodox Imam Ghazali. Ibn Rushd responded by writing another book. Moreover, ibn Haitham and ibn Sina deduced truths not from scripture but from what we now know as the scientific method. Compare them with our modern zombies of Harun Yahya.
Modern Muslims are the equivalent of the Medieval Europeans, who refused to accept that the sun was at the center of the solar system.
Iran is following in the footsteps of the Shah. The Shah thought he could have a modern 'European' society without giving the masses their freedom. The Ayatollahs now believe that they can have a scientific society whilst severely subduing the people's desire for freedom. It will end in failure.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".