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Default 10-17-2017, 08:54 AM

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Zafrullah Khan, Pakistan's first foreign minister, was a known Qadiani.

And you consider "Qadianis" as non-Muslim;

but isn't the title of this thread "Have you ever learned about Islam from a non-Muslim"

Isn't that why you recommended Life of Mahomet by William Muir before you quickly deleted that post?
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Default 10-17-2017, 06:15 PM

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It depends. When I want to study the Quran I try to rely on both, Islamic and Western sources. When it comes to Tafsirs, I recommend Islamic scholars. Muhammad Assad wrote one of the best Tafsirs in the Islamic history, with plenty of sources, explanations, quotes, and so on.

Regarding Sirahs, yeah its true we have to rely on early Islamic sources such as Hadiths, but I believe we should take Hadiths with a grain of salt. Many Hadiths, even those considered "sahih", contradict other Hadiths. Thats why I also try to study non Islamic sources. I want to stress on this, RELIABLE WESTERN SOURCES.. This doesnt mean all Western scholars are right just because they are Westerners. I find people like Karen Armstrong liberal apologetics who are trying to portray Islam as some sort of Liberal religion which doesnt make any sense.

Liberals are always trying to manipualte things in order to use them as a political tool for their domestic agendas. We must be careful because the liberal discurse is the predominant in the universities and in the academia so they will always try to "intoxicate" everything in order to fit in their anti-Western agenda. Muslims should be careful adn dont allow liberals to use us in their stupid battles.
Hadith are too easily dismissed by laymen because of lack of knowledge, even great scholars of Islam struggled with understanding hadith .

Ibn Wahb is also reported to have said:

Were it not for Malik ibn Anas and al-Layth ibn Sa`d I would have perished; I used to think everything that is [authentically] related from the Prophet – Allâh bless and greet him – must be put into practice.”

“I gathered a lot of ahadith and they drove me to confusion. I would consult Malik and al-Layth and they would say to me, ‘take this and leave this.”
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Default 10-18-2017, 09:56 PM

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Yes. I read this book like then years ago, "The Sealed Nectar" by an Indian Muslim. It was awfully written and extremely biased. Since then I decided to stop reading Islamic books written by Muslims. So now when I want to learn something about Islam I rely on Western sources and scholars (I am talking about reliable and unbiased Western sources, not Bernard Lewis lol) basically because Western scholars tend to be a bit more rational, unbiased and non-fanboys lol
Scholars are taught to be unbiased and only report and write accurate material since they know history will judge them on what they write. If we read about history, we and especially scholars only respect the ones who reported accurate material and its not that difficult to investigate to see who wrote for propaganda and who did not.
People like Zakir Niak and other Muslims like him are not real scholars so they don't really know the consequences of their reporting and how important it is to report material accurately and if they don't know they should say so.
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Default 10-18-2017, 10:00 PM

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I came across a youtube video where a non muslim was explaining why we need to make intention or make a dua before doing different things. My mom keeps telling me to read dua for this and for that, basically for everything. I didn't pay much attention as I didn't see any point in it and wasn't satisfied with the usual explanation that it is a sunnah etc but this non muslim explained what the purpose of making dua is which now makes me want to read duas before doing different things.
Have you bad a similar experience?
show us the video Shapur
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Default 10-19-2017, 03:09 PM

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Scholars are taught to be unbiased and only report and write accurate material since they know history will judge them on what they write. If we read about history, we and especially scholars only respect the ones who reported accurate material and its not that difficult to investigate to see who wrote for propaganda and who did not.
People like Zakir Niak and other Muslims like him are not real scholars so they don't really know the consequences of their reporting and how important it is to report material accurately and if they don't know they should say so.
Religious people are like fanboys. Zakir Naik is a fanboy and most of religious people due to their own biases will always agree with him. It reminds me of Tabari. Many years ago I read an article about him on an Islamic website and I was shocked how in his tafsir the guy was always like "God want this wants that". It was biased.


"For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

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