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Default 08-26-2010, 06:34 PM

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Dear Luffy.

The British People are of Germanic Origins but they do not consider themselves as German but rather they consider themselves as English. We should do the same, even though our origins maybe from present day Afghanistan but that doesnt give any excuse for us to join them and demand we respect Tajiks,Uzbeks and Hazaras under the title of Afghan.

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That is not logical, because if it held then we are all Iranic since our ancestry can from eastern iranic tribes. When we all say Afghanistan is where are origins are, we generally mean it in the sense that the language, tribes mostly originated from southern Afghanistan.
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On the above article we have Pashtuns who volenterily choose Dari over Pushto, so the article can counter all these sad claims about Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa choosing Urdu over Pashto. The whole educational board is teaching in Dari to Afghans, same can be said about Pakistan teaching Urdu in its educational board.
Maseeta! Both the above trends are not defendable.Two wrongs can not make ONE right.We have not chose Urdu, it was imposed on us. I hate myself when I have to speak in Urdu.

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Default 08-26-2010, 07:46 PM

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It will become our motherland once the father starts treating her mother like a Pashtun.
Ehh, yeah. Whatever that means.

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personally i consider both pakhtunkhwa and afghanistan to be motherland of pashtuns but as general concept is that afghanistan is motherland of pashtuns, so i respect it.
But why do you accept Afghanistan as your motherland? I mean, Afghan doesn't mean Pukhtoon to you and many others like you so why you call a 'non-Pukhtoon' country your motherland?

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But it is very rediculous situation that in motherland of pashtuns dari is dominant on pashto.
Capital rules, Afghanistan's capital is Kabul city, and over 70% of the Kabul city population are non-Pukhtoons. Isn't it obvious that Dari will dominate in such an area? Yet I was surprised that I heard as much Pukhto as Dari in Kabul city and much more Pukhto music than Dari music. I am sure Laila (forum member) has noticed the same. Same wise how Kandahar is around 30% non-Pukhtoon, but yet a Pukhto dominated area. I can't remember I ever heard a Tajik moan about Kandahar not promoting Dari? And about other parts, if Pukhtoons speak Pukhto, then besides their own language others ethnic also used speak Dari when Afghanistan was newly formed. Which includes; Nurestanis, Kohistanis, Balochis, Qizilbash, Aimak, Pashayi, Uzbeks, Hazaras, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.


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Default 08-26-2010, 07:49 PM

^ And there are even people who are actually thanking him for this shocking and freshing news, LOL. And 'the other side' was supposed to be more stable, richer, and more educated........


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Default 08-26-2010, 07:57 PM

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It saddens me Shayesta. He has never even entered Afghanistan.


The other day he said KANDAHAR, yes KANDAHAR is Persianized. My God did I laugh, I almost giggled too lound in the News-conference room.

Kandahar is one of those places where without Pashto you cant survive. Even the Hazaras speak and write better Pashto than many of Pakistan where Pashto is not even taught. Kandahar has schools that have taught Pashto to millions.
I don't know about Hazaras speaking better pashto lolzz...maybe from some in peshawar city, but come on other areas not a chance.

One form of ignorance shouldn't be compounded with another.
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Default 08-26-2010, 07:59 PM

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Oh trust me, once a Hazara learns Pukhto then you as a Pukhtoon will be the one corrected by them. No joke.


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If you don't know...don't comment. Visit Kandahar. Enlighten yourself. That's the problem. Many of you don't know. Peshawaris cant write as good Pashto or read as good Pashto as Hazaras of Kandahar. I challenge you. Why? Because Pashto is not taught to you guys. Its taught to Hazaras. Hazaras have wrote papers in Pashto.

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Jasmine for a journalist you don't seem to re read. No read what I said. I said it is doubtful that a hazara can speak pashto better than a pashtun overall. Maybe in peshawar city they could, but other areas. Definitely not. Now notice I am talking in general. I am not insulting kandahar.

You know what this discourse that pashtuns are having explains a lot about us. We don't even know who is supporting us and who is against us, and we are so quick to jump the gun. Maybe if we step back, calm down and see all our faults we could be of some use. Then again no surprise.
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Capital rules, Afghanistan's capital is Kabul city, and over 70% of the Kabul city population are non-Pukhtoons. Isn't it obvious that Dari will dominate in such an area? Yet I was surprised that I heard as much Pukhto as Dari in Kabul city and much more Pukhto music than Dari music. I am sure Laila (forum member) has noticed the same. Same wise how Kandahar is around 30% non-Pukhtoon, but yet a Pukhto dominated area. I can't remember I ever heard a Tajik moan about Kandahar not promoting Dari? And about other parts, if Pukhtoons speak Pukhto, then besides their own language others ethnic also used speak Dari when Afghanistan was newly formed. Which includes; Nurestanis, Kohistanis, Balochis, Qizilbash, Aimak, Pashayi, Uzbeks, Hazaras, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Shayesta! i have given up on explaining that Pashto means something there. I really gave up. I dont know how else to emphasize it.

YES! Kabul has majority non pashtun population. And YES people DO speak Pashto plenty there. YES, schools HAVE pashto in them. Do i need to explain more? Majority of schools promote both languages. And some schools even offer just ONLY pashto. I visited a couple of schools. I visited Kabul University. I have interacted and conversed with many students.
Obviously Shayesta and I did not come up with BS.
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What else is there to read in this? Did I misquote you?

You said,



I said, If you don't know what your talking about. Don't comment. Its a fair comment isn't it? Kandahar has schools that teach Pashto all over the province. Peshawar does not. What does common sense tell you BLS? Tell me what your common sense says.
Yes I said Hazaras...I didn't say Kandahar. Obviously anyone who lives in a pashtun dominated province or area will speak it well (basically like a native). This is the case of gujjars, sikhs in Pashtunkhwa or hazaras in quetta or kandahar. Like I said you didn't get what I was saying.

I never said Kandahar doesn't have these things. Za tsa waemaa ao thaso da kam zae na khabarae kawae.
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Default 08-26-2010, 08:55 PM

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BLS, I suggest you to look at where you quoted me and I suggest you to read what I said. Do me that favor and return and give me what you found.

I clearly was talking about HAZARAS OF KANDAHAR. The entire discussion and point of mine was based on them. You came out of no where and said that is not true. I went ahead and explained to you that it is true. In your rebuttal you said what am I saying? How much sense does that make? You quoted me out of context and did not even read why I mentioned Hazaras.
Fair enough...I apologize.
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