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Default 10-17-2017, 06:45 PM

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There is also regional difrence between Pashtuns, and also PAshtuns in PAkistan has some diffrent things, but still our dress and customs are overlaping, meanwhile that of tajiks in Afghanistan and the ones in Tajikistan have quite a sharp diffrence.
And during eid you see all those Tajiks and farsiwans if they put on "traditional" clothes they put on typical Pashtun dress.

Its quite obvious who is influenced by whome.
And yes I do not deny tajik or persian influence in Pashtun culture. Like for example the blue chadari is a typical Persian cultural garment and that is also taken over by Pashtuns living in the city.

Because the Pashtun living in remote areas dont have chadari and Pashtuns who have nomadic life also do not wear chadari.
I don't really know much about Tajikistani Tajiks. The people forming Tajiks are formed by various different ancient Iranic tribes, The tajikistani tajiks have absorbed Turkics as well. so the differences may be a result of their different ancient origins and influences from Turkic tribes.

I just commented that their Farsi sounds different from Farsi in Afghanistan, the same way Farsi in Iran sounds different due to regional distances over time resulting in dissimilarity. Irani Farsi is newer/reformed of the Persians, while Dari and Tajiki are probably older. Tajikistan faced massive Russification, so their language has been altered by Russians to some degrees, Dari of Afghanistan is probably closer to what the ancient Persians sounded like, since even Tajiks living in more isolated mountain regions of China sound similar to Tajiks in Afghanistan:

Persians in Western China - YouTube

That said, I am not denying Pashtuns influencing their neighbors. Unless people live isolated on some remote island, it's impossible to not be influenced by others. The region consisting of modern Afghanistan state is not divided by any real natural barrier, unlike say Pakistan, which is divided between the Indian populations, and the Dardics+Pashtun+Baluch groups one either side of a river.

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Default 10-17-2017, 09:59 PM

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Don't talk to these Persians about it. They live in a parallel universe where every culture and language is a byproduct of their cultural and languistic evolution. They are the original and superior ones and only they should matter. In their world of make-believe They are the ones who gave everything to others while they never 'stoop' to the level of taking from others. Hence they are the original ones and others are corrupt. It never occured to them that if they are so pure why the hell is their name Faras an Arabic word and Persian Greek. Why is their country Iran a stolen identity from the Ironian (Ossetic) people? Why the hell tajik(tazik) go by the name Afghans gave them? Why can't they get that just like a Sikh can't be called Hindu because he lives in Hindustan, similarly, living in Afghanland doesn't make them Afghans.
More than 40% of their vocabulary is comprised of stolen words from Arabic, Hebrew, Avestan, Turkish, Greek etc. Not to mention their Dari has stolen many Afghani words and claim that it's purer than it's sire (persian). LOL
I'm from a country, where people are so stupid they can't tell an Arabic word from Persian. Most of the Arabic words are assumed Persian (thanks to lowlife mughals for that). They believe khudai (an Avestan epithet for AhuraMazda)is a Persian God, they think Shah (corrupt form of Arabic word Shaham meaning noble) is a persian title and that Stan (an Ancient Greek word from the IndoEuropean rootword -steh ) is a Persian suffix in Afghanistan, Turkmanistan, Pakistan etc.
As much as i hate their (persians)guts i still can't help but feel pitty for them when i see their Iranian persians stealing Arabic, Turkish and Armenian culture (dance, music, dress code etc) Afghanistani persians claiming Afghan cultue their own and Tajikov persian still following their Russian Gospodins. Xexexe
No wonder that these people with nonexisting culture and corrupt history, in their jealosy spread hatred against the great Afghan tribes, their history and Afghan heritage and concoct lies about us Afghans.
Thoi maazi pa khpal shairi, da durwoghu kitabo aw pa internet ki darwogh wayl bandi palawanaan dei. Rofl
Arabs have the same level of stupidity as Indians and Persians. They think everything came from Arabs. E.g. One of my Syrian friend believes(not think, but literally believes) that Pashto/Persian/Kurdish came from Arabic. It's difficult arguing with that idiot because he becomes a wall and says 'I am a Arab, I studied in Shariah school'(i.e. I am a low life ajam, just like Gentiles are to Jews) bla bla bla so he never listens.
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Default 10-18-2017, 05:13 AM

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Afghan ethnics don't need to fight over Pashto or Farsi as dominant language in Afghanistan. These languages have been present in Afghanistan region for 1000s of years, and are still here. I don't know why people are fighting over language now. Afghanistan have over 30 languages today. they will survive if enough people speak them.

Some Pashtunists might want to Pashtunify Afghanistan, but Pashto just can't compete with Farsi if you want to implement the idea of one nation = one language. Simply put, Farsi is spoken in more countries. That alone makes it more useful to have as a communication tool. Pashto is only spoken in Pakistan outsideAfghanistan, and it's deminishing there even though there are more Pashtuns there.

Lol you must have got this cancer of denial from that tajerk guy. Btw Who would listen to the opinion of a person, who can't tell a Pashtun from Indian, on the subject of which language is what and what not. All tajerks/parSPANs are no better than the indians that you make fun of. They all live in a constant delusional state just like those Indians. Both are ugly, backstabbing, ungrateful lot. They may be different from each on the outside but have got the same stinky rotten insides.
There's no such thing as Afghan 'ethnicities'. Afghan itself is an ethnicity. Dunno whether it's the denseness of your minds or the 'weakness' of your persian that's not letting you comprehend such a simple fact. If you'd have learned just a lil bit of Pashto from your Pashto course book you wouldn't have made such a mistake and made a total cake of yourself as you did here. Nobody is Pashtunising Afghanistan. It's hands down already a Pushtunized country. Even The name AFGHANistan says it all.
No language competes with other languages. What an irrational stupid thing to say. Where did you get such nonsensical notion of competition from? From persian make-believe world?
In my entire life i have never seen a SINGLE Pashtun speak persian as first language neither from Afghanistan (deny all you want pashto is spoken in Afghanistan by the indeginious people of the country)nor from Pakistan. So shove your lies down your lying throat. No one's going to believe a single word from a muttonhead.
Trust me, all the proud persian people from Afghanistan when come to Quetta, Peshawer, Karachi and Islamabad they resort to speaking Pashto and forget all about the so called prestigious Persian. Cuz not a single person here speaks Persian and that's a fact. If you want to get education and medical treatment from Pakistan learn some Pashto and how to respect Pashto. Because it's only for the sake of Pashtuns Pakistan is tolerating you people here. I wonder why they don't prefer Tajikistan and Iran over Pakistan when it comes to education and medical treatment?
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Default 10-18-2017, 05:20 AM

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Fantasies aside.

Afghanistan is there to stay. Same with Pakistan.
And so is Pashto. Spreading hateful falsehoods against Pashto won't make it just vanquish from the face of the earth as persians dream it. It's comevto stay. For let me tell you the day when Pashto is 'diminished' they word 'Afghan' would ceasevto exist. Cuz both are co-related and is nothing without the other. As khushal khan khattak says Afghan is Pashtun Pashtun is Afghan.
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Default 10-18-2017, 05:41 AM

All that hatred towards Tajiks/Farsiwans is uneccesary. We may not be going away anytime soon, but neither are they. Ubless you plan on genocide or something, we have no choice but to get along if either of us want to succeed.

And I know plenty of Pashtuns that speak Farsi as their first language. Heck, I have Pashtun friends whom only speak Farsi. And I don't really know why it matters what language Tajiks speak in Pakistan. It's neither a Pashtun nor a Persian country, and in my experience they usually speak Urdu if they didn't already know Pashto anyway.
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Default 10-18-2017, 05:47 AM

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Arabs have the same level of stupidity as Indians and Persians. They think everything came from Arabs. E.g. One of my Syrian friend believes(not think, but literally believes) that Pashto/Persian/Kurdish came from Arabic. It's difficult arguing with that idiot because he becomes a wall and says 'I am a Arab, I studied in Shariah school'(i.e. I am a low life ajam, just like Gentiles are to Jews) bla bla bla so he never listens.
ITruth be toldI have never heard or seen an Arab crossing the limits and insulting a language like calling it inferior or that it has no value etc just like Persians do. I've heard about a lot of Arabs from the students of different educational institutions in Peshawer and Quetta. Not a single person has spoken ill of them. I knew two Arabs in BMC. They were very respectful towards our people culture and language. They didn't even mock our poor attempts at using Arabic words in our language . You must have heard about the Edwardian Arab student in Peshawer who had within course of two years learned Pashto language and was very much in love with it. There was an interview in which he shared his feeling about Pashto and Pashtuns.
Anyways, just as i've said i've never seen any arab being downright disrespectful towards any language the way Persians are. I haven't seen a single Arab person who loves flooding internet with hateful comments and against any language and misguiding people by spreading lies about it.

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Default 10-18-2017, 05:55 AM

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All that hatred towards Tajiks/Farsiwans is uneccesary. We may not be going away anytime soon, but neither are they. Ubless you plan on genocide or something, we have no choice but to get along if either of us want to succeed.

And I know plenty of Pashtuns that speak Farsi as their first language. Heck, I have Pashtun friends whom only speak Farsi. And I don't really know why it matters what language Tajiks speak in Pakistan. It's neither a Pashtun nor a Persian country, and in my experience they usually speak Urdu if they didn't already know Pashto anyway.
It matters. Because they tell people that Pashto is an inferior and weak language. And yet when they come here forget about all that persian dignity and try mingling eith Pashtuns. And they don't speak Urdu because they don't like mingling with Indic people.
Your few friends don't makeup the entire Afghan population in Afghanistan. Those persian sptead lies like Pashto isn't spoken by a single person in Afghanistan. Read their comments here and all around the internet. I am just saying they don't need to misguide people and lie to them. If they can't respect a language it's ok. Atleast they shouldn't degrade our language by lying about it's status.
And i don't hate them. Hate is a very powerful emotion and i refuse to waste any sort of emotional potency on them.

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Default 10-18-2017, 09:30 AM

Wow this Farahshah Guy exploded. Relax. Lol your language or identity is not going extinct. Nobody is forcing anything on anyone. Speak whatever you want. Lmao. Now relax.

Since you hate Persians/Tajiks so much first change your username. Lol.

Its just a nationality. They accepted that because they are not insecure. Pashtuns Dont call themselves "Afghan" anyway. They say "Awghan". Afghan is the Persian pronounciation.

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Default 10-18-2017, 10:35 AM

Pakistani Pashtuns are more mixed Indians than the ones in Afghanistan. Avarage Pathans Show 20-40% Indian on DNA samples.
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Default 10-18-2017, 10:57 AM

Last I checked it's Awghan/Apghan (derived from the Avestan Awagaan) in pashto and in persian Abgan (old persian more specifically) . But both of them adopted the Arabic form Afghan eventually. Do some research work before posting stuff here.
Do you think it would matter if non Afghans think nothing of Afghans? That stupid bayPashto like you consider it just nationality? Would it? Nope. Nobody would listen to a single word from a person who is so feeble minded that can't guess the gendre of a person.
The fact still remains the same that Afghan is ethnicity and persians of Afghanistan adopted it cuz they are too insecure and ashamed of being called just persians (i've seen your tajerk fella here telling people that he doesn't like being called persian lol) be grateful to us that you are enjoying such privilege. And stop hating on Pashto language and spreading lies about it.
And oh, i did see your post before you edited it and i do excuse your persian.
And WHY DID YOU REMOVE THE POST WHERE ASKED IF I WAS INDIAN?? Aaawwww you deprived me of making more fun of your weak mental faculties.


If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart.

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