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Default 10-15-2017, 01:46 PM

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and expel Non Pashtuns from Afghanistan. balochis are already becoming minority as we we are Migrating there is large numbers. later large number of Kashmiri, Punjabi and Sindhi Pashtuns will also Migrate back to our Ancestral land and we will repopulate i with near 100% Pure Pashtun Race.

a bigger Pashtunistan should be our Goal, why ? because we are pakhtoons.
don't know if troll or serious.

you think non-Pashtuns will just move out of their lands?

in what fantasy does this moron live in?

as far as your ''pure'' Pasthun race:



some pure race. lol

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Default 10-15-2017, 02:44 PM

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I don't want to unite with Pakistan, dude. That kind of regional unity is far from reality and facts. Right now the Islamic world is going through an ideologic war similar to the the European "WWI". Since seems this current war won't bring enough and good changes, we should expect a new regional war within few years where some sort of Islamic universal system will raise as the "ultimate system" for the Islamic world (just like liberal democracy emerged as the universal system in the Western world after WWII).

All this Pashtunistan MB is a lost cause. Even if Pashtuns manage to create a Pashtun state, it will be landlocked, no resources and with no real purpose. Pashtuns would be forced to rely on their Indic and Persian neighbors. Back to square one. Pashtuns should encourage their identity in Afghanistan and Pakistan but in general is safe to say that Pashtun culture will decline even further. Pashtuns lack of "soft power", thats why even many Pashtuns are willing to give up easily on their language and culture for the sake of "more advanced" cultures.

The thing is with Pashtuns (afghans) it is actually the other way around. Their identity and culture is being stolen from them. Non Pastun people degrade their language by calling it a language that has originated from Old Persian. Non Afghan people in Afghanistan proudly wear Pashtun dress and jewellery and call it 'their' culture. Non Pashto (Afghani) songs are sung with pashto music. Attanr dance is performed on non Afghani songs by non Pashtun people, who can't even pronounce the word attanr properly, in Afghanistan.
Don't you think it's time we strip the non Afghan Afghanistanis of 'Afghan' identity? So that our culture and language will flourish without all these hatemongers and identity theives desperately clinging to it. hmmmm? After this i don't think the ungrateful theives would ever dare call us Afghans and our Afghani language 'weak'.

Well Pakistan doesn't want to unite with identity theives like you too. Infact, Pakistan wants you to take your Taw-jerk (tajik) kinsmen from Pakistan who, eventhough have accepted a more advanced language (Pashto) and culture (Pashtun) and hate being called Persians, but due to their hatemongering and backstabbing-ness (special traits found in every unwelcomed jerk) are not tolerated in Pakistan.
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Default 10-15-2017, 04:00 PM

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if jaws can have their Israel, why cant we Pashtuns have our own Pashtunistan ?

we need to unite Whole KPK, FATA, Balochistan with Afghanistan.

and expel Non Pashtuns from Afghanistan. balochis are already becoming minority as we we are Migrating there is large numbers. later large number of Kashmiri, Punjabi and Sindhi Pashtuns will also Migrate back to our Ancestral land and we will repopulate i with near 100% Pure Pashtun Race.

a bigger Pashtunistan should be our Goal, why ? because we are pakhtoons.
How is this type of Nazi genocidal rethoric allowed on this forum?

what's funny is, this Guruzai fella is one of those Indian Pathans. acting like a Black guy in a KKK custome. lol

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Default 10-15-2017, 04:01 PM

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e., Turkey, Iran and Pakistan][/FONT]
and the last one isn't even viable but a military oligarchy so there's that.


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Default 10-15-2017, 04:27 PM

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The thing is with Pashtuns (afghans) it is actually the other way around. Their identity and culture is being stolen from them. Non Pastun people degrade their language by calling it a language that has originated from Old Persian. Non Afghan people in Afghanistan proudly wear Pashtun dress and jewellery and call it 'their' culture. Non Pashto (Afghani) songs are sung with pashto music. Attanr dance is performed on non Afghani songs by non Pashtun people, who can't even pronounce the word attanr properly, in Afghanistan.
Don't you think it's time we strip the non Afghan Afghanistanis of 'Afghan' identity? So that our culture and language will flourish without all these hatemongers and identity theives desperately clinging to it. hmmmm? After this i don't think the ungrateful theives would ever dare call us Afghans and our Afghani language 'weak'.

Well Pakistan doesn't want to unite with identity theives like you too. Infact, Pakistan wants you to take your Taw-jerk (tajik) kinsmen from Pakistan who, eventhough have accepted a more advanced language (Pashto) and culture (Pashtun) and hate being called Persians, but due to their hatemongering and backstabbing-ness (special traits found in every unwelcomed jerk) are not tolerated in Pakistan.
Yeah thank you for stressing the obvious, you f*cktard lol

Non Pashtuns don't care about Pashto. Its true that most of them look down on it and they consider it a lesser/inferior tribal language with no glory, no history. Persian is attached to great minds, great empires and great achievements while Pashto can't compite with that. Thats why even many Pashtuns living in urban areas prefer Persian over Pashto.

The rest of your comment is pure BS and its not worth to be replied. Please behave like a civilized human being and not like a tribal animal. We are not in Pashtunistan lol


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Default 10-15-2017, 04:28 PM

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don't know if troll or serious.

you think non-Pashtuns will just move out of their lands?

in what fantasy does this moron live in?

as far as your ''pure'' Pasthun race:



some pure race. lol
Dont take him seriously. He is a troll trying to stir up ethnic hatred among Afghans.


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Default 10-15-2017, 04:39 PM

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Pashtunistan is not very popular in KPK, of all iranic groups pashtuns are not very nationalistic, persians, kurds and baloch are all very nationalistic people, pashtuns are more Islamic centric, especially with the popularity of tableegh jamaat which was promoted by Isi to kill pashtun nationalism which has worked well for them.
The idea of Pashtunistan is maby not that popular in KPK or Afghanistan, but Pashtuns are the most nationalic or rather say ethnocentristic off the Iranic tribes, if you even want to label us "Iranic" what I doubt. But anyway, most Pashtuns would rarely give away daughthers to non-pashtun, even when they are searching for a wifes for their sons, a Pashtana will be always the first choice, its only sometimes that a Pashtun family decides to marry off or marry in a non-pashtun, and in most of those cases its because they did not had a better choice.....

Meanwhile Iranian, Kurds and even Kashmiri marry outside their ethnicities quite often, Iranians like outsiders espicially westerners more than their own and adopt everything from them, Baloch and Kashmiris I dont know that much about them, but they are also not that hard on marrieng outsiders if you compare them with us Pashtuns, meanwhile with Pashtuns its a social suicide marrieng a non-pashtun.

The biggest problem is the lack of money to fund Pashtu or to write science book in Pashtu and thats due to 40 years of war.

Our language and culture is not doomed, we need stability and safety and in no time Pashtu can become the dominant language in Afghanistan just due to the large number of Pashtuns.
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Default 10-15-2017, 04:53 PM

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The thing is with Pashtuns (afghans) it is actually the other way around. Their identity and culture is being stolen from them. Non Pastun people degrade their language by calling it a language that has originated from Old Persian. Non Afghan people in Afghanistan proudly wear Pashtun dress and jewellery and call it 'their' culture. Non Pashto (Afghani) songs are sung with pashto music. Attanr dance is performed on non Afghani songs by non Pashtun people, who can't even pronounce the word attanr properly, in Afghanistan.
Don't you think it's time we strip the non Afghan Afghanistanis of 'Afghan' identity? So that our culture and language will flourish without all these hatemongers and identity theives desperately clinging to it. hmmmm? After this i don't think the ungrateful theives would ever dare call us Afghans and our Afghani language 'weak'.

Well Pakistan doesn't want to unite with identity theives like you too. Infact, Pakistan wants you to take your Taw-jerk (tajik) kinsmen from Pakistan who, eventhough have accepted a more advanced language (Pashto) and culture (Pashtun) and hate being called Persians, but due to their hatemongering and backstabbing-ness (special traits found in every unwelcomed jerk) are not tolerated in Pakistan.
So true, if you look at Uzbacks in Ubezkistan or Tajiks in Tajikistan, there they dress and have totaly diffrent traditional jewelery clothes dances and customs. Meanwhile the same minorities in Afghansiatn have our type dress, cutoms and use our music, dance and even the way they talk is havely influenced by Pashtu. And somehow they have superior culture lol.

Farsi uses a lot of arabic loan words, its something like 40% arabic. They use also arabic alphabet, kind of weird when you talk about a superior culture and language. LOL
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and the last one isn't even viable but a military oligarchy so there's that.
Viable or not, it has to be admitted that Pakistan is the most powerful since it is the only nuclear armed Muslim state. Afghanistan is light-years behind Pakistan in terms of military, economic development, and stability of political institutions and infrastructure. I think it is in the best interest of Afghanistan to be absorbed into Pakistan. The problem with Iran is its authoritarian regime controlled by Khomeinist mullas which obviously won't be acceptable to the majority of Afghans. Pakistan at least has a lot more political freedom than Iran, not to mention a functioning democracy.

Now I personally am against the Pakistani State and democracy for my own reasons coming from a religious perspective. But since we are discussing from the vantage of what is better for Afghanistan in material terms, I say that Afghanistan isn't a viable state and should either join Iran or Pakistan.
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Viable or not, it has to be admitted that Pakistan is the most powerful since it is the only nuclear armed Muslim state. Afghanistan is light-years behind Pakistan in terms of military, economic development, and stability of political institutions and infrastructure. I think it is in the best interest of Afghanistan to be absorbed into Pakistan. The problem with Iran is its authoritarian regime controlled by Khomeinist mullas which obviously won't be acceptable to the majority of Afghans. Pakistan at least has a lot more political freedom than Iran, not to mention a functioning democracy.

Now I personally am against the Pakistani State and democracy for my own reasons coming from a religious perspective. But since we are discussing from the vantage of what is better for Afghanistan in material terms, I say that Afghanistan isn't a viable state and should either join Iran or Pakistan.

I can see Pakistanis accepting Pashtuns and Balochis, but there is no chance anyone will accept the instability associated with Tajiks and their history with the Northern alliance. It's not worth it.

But I am against expanding in this sense, with the exception of Pakistan reclaiming and liberating all of Kashmir, InshAllah.

An EU like union makes more sense.


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