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Default What Happened to Honor Code of Taliban? - 10-08-2017, 08:41 PM

Needless to say, as a non-Afghan non-Pashtun I’m not very acquainted or familiar with the intricacies of Afghan/Pashtun politics. I can appreciate the original Taliban of Mulla Omar which emerged in the 1990s. They were devout people and Madrassa students of Kandahar who were opposed to modernism and implemented a good Islamic society in their country. But over time Taliban have fragmented and evolved. Now they have been under the toxic influence of Takfiri Arabs from where they adapted tactics like suicide bombing, assassinations, killing civilians including little children, and other barbaric un-Islamic methods. Our ancient Mujahideen were always known for their code of honor and chivalry. They would be absolutely disgusted by the contemporary so-called “Jihadists”. I would like Taliban to return to their old code of honor and to fight the enemy in such a way which inspires people to praise them as heroic and gallant warriors of truth. Afghanistan has a history of armed Islamic uprisings against tyranny. I’m reminded of the uprising of “Sahib-e-Taloqan” Muhammad b. al-Qasim “al-Sufi” (rahmatullah alaih) during the time of the Abbasid oppressor al-Mu’tasim and the uprising of Muhammad b. Ja’far b. Yahya b. Abdullah al-Mahd in Herat, where he and his progeny ruled until the late 3rd century Hijri. These great and eminent Saadaat who came to modern-day Afghanistan were the models of bravery and how to launch an armed uprising or Qiyam against the un-Islamic regimes of the day. Taliban should follow their pattern.
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Think about all the Alid uprisings in Khurasan region modern Afghanistan. These were uprisings led by Arab descendants of the Prophet ﷺ such as Imam Yahya b. Zaid (rahmatullah alaih) and the uprising of Abdullah al-Ashtar (son of Imam Nafs-al-Zakiya) based in Kabul. I believe that Taliban should abandon the Pashtun nationalism and fight for the cause of making a pious Fatimi Sayyid as leader. Surely there have to be many pious Saadaat in Afghanistan. We have to continue this ancient movement. As I said earlier, Taliban need to re-evaluate their tactics and leave off the terrorism and killing of civilian, suicide bombing. Taliban should not fight for strategic victory, but should fight for the sake of making Allah happy above all. This was part of their original appeal and magnetism. If they leave that they are nothing more than another of many armed factions that are wrestling for political power.
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Needless to say, as a non-Afghan non-Pashtun I’m not very acquainted or familiar with the intricacies of Afghan/Pashtun politics. I can appreciate the original Taliban of Mulla Omar which emerged in the 1990s. They were devout people and Madrassa students of Kandahar who were opposed to modernism and implemented a good Islamic society in their country. But over time Taliban have fragmented and evolved. Now they have been under the toxic influence of Takfiri Arabs from where they adapted tactics like suicide bombing, assassinations, killing civilians including little children, and other barbaric un-Islamic methods.


No, they were students of Sami al Haq of Dar al Uloom Haqqania in Nowshera, a paki Deobandi school under the patronage of Rawalpindi.

Dont blame it on Arabs.

Taliban were always savages that were indoctrinated, equipped, trained and lead by Pakiland that inflicted huge pain onto already demoralized peoples of Afghanistan.


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Think about all the Alid uprisings in Khurasan region modern Afghanistan. These were uprisings led by Arab descendants of the Prophet ﷺ such as Imam Yahya b. Zaid (rahmatullah alaih) and the uprising of Abdullah al-Ashtar (son of Imam Nafs-al-Zakiya) based in Kabul. I believe that Taliban should abandon the Pashtun nationalism and fight for the cause of making a pious Fatimi Sayyid as leader. Surely there have to be many pious Saadaat in Afghanistan. We have to continue this ancient movement. As I said earlier, Taliban need to re-evaluate their tactics and leave off the terrorism and killing of civilian, suicide bombing. Taliban should not fight for strategic victory, but should fight for the sake of making Allah happy above all. This was part of their original appeal and magnetism. If they leave that they are nothing more than another of many armed factions that are wrestling for political power.
You're out of touch with reality. The Taliban does what Rawalpindi tells them to do. Those that dissent end up like Baradar, Mansour, Rahman, Mahsud etc


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No, they were students of Sami al Haq of Dar al Uloom Haqqania in Nowshera, a paki Deobandi school under the patronage of Rawalpindi.

Dont blame it on Arabs.

Taliban were always savages that were indoctrinated, equipped, trained and lead by Pakiland that inflicted huge pain onto already demoralized peoples of Afghanistan.
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I didn’t blame all Arabs, only the Takfiri types like al-Qa’ida, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who had a bad influence on the Taliban resistance to NATO. Even most Arabs hate those Takfiris that are inspired by the ideology of Sayyid Qutb and the violent methods of Zarqawi, which gave birth to such a barbaric cult like Daesh, which at present in wreaking havoc in Afghanistan. At least Taliban are to be commended for fighting Daesh despite all their other shortcomings of engaging in terrorist tactics themselves.

Also the Pakistani State did not initially support Taliban. Initially Pakistani State was more in favor of Hekmatyar's Hezb-e-Islami faction but switched to Taliban when Taliban became more popular and successful
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I didn’t blame all Arabs, only the Takfiri types like al-Qa’ida, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who had a bad influence on the Taliban resistance to NATO. Even most Arabs hate those Takfiris that are inspired by the ideology of Sayyid Qutb and the violent methods of Zarqawi, which gave birth to such a barbaric cult like Daesh, which at present in wreaking havoc in Afghanistan. At least Taliban are to be commended for fighting Daesh despite all their other shortcomings of engaging in terrorist tactics themselves.

Also the Pakistani State did not initially support Taliban. Initially Pakistani State was more in favor of Hekmatyar's Hezb-e-Islami faction but switched to Taliban when Taliban became more popular and successful
Welcome to the forum

Before you waste any more time with this guy, let me just introduce the bastion of all retardation that is known as "Friends of Baloch".

He is incredibly vile and racist towards anything he perceives to be Punjabi. In fact, he considers Punjabis to be "Dalits", Dravidians and not even a proper ethnic group, language or culture. To give you an idea, his last reference to Pakistan in the other thread was "black@ss Dravidian pakiland"

You will notice that he has a good grasp of Hindi and loves to promote and expand Dravidian identity using debunked theories like Aryan migration. In his mind, Dravidians created everything and were the OGs of Pashtun and Baluchi lands too.

Thirdly, he claims to have spent the last 20 years being harassed by Pakistanis and innocently caught up in Pak topics on the internet. But you can clearly see his obsession with Pakistan, which is literally the only thing he rants about, regardless of the topic.

Just a heads up. He is not friends of Baloch. I doubt he has any friends at all.

Enjoy and welcome again.

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Think about all the Alid uprisings in Khurasan region modern Afghanistan. These were uprisings led by Arab descendants of the Prophet ﷺ such as Imam Yahya b. Zaid (rahmatullah alaih) and the uprising of Abdullah al-Ashtar (son of Imam Nafs-al-Zakiya) based in Kabul. I believe that Taliban should abandon the Pashtun nationalism and fight for the cause of making a pious Fatimi Sayyid as leader. Surely there have to be many pious Saadaat in Afghanistan. We have to continue this ancient movement. As I said earlier, Taliban need to re-evaluate their tactics and leave off the terrorism and killing of civilian, suicide bombing. Taliban should not fight for strategic victory, but should fight for the sake of making Allah happy above all. This was part of their original appeal and magnetism. If they leave that they are nothing more than another of many armed factions that are wrestling for political power.
I think by "they should abandon Pashtun nationalism" you mean they should become Daesh , and by "they should fight for cause of a Fatimi Syed", you mean they should fight under banner of Abu Bakar Baghdadi who is a Fatimi Syed. I have seen Daesh supporters commenting that Taliban are not good Muslims as they are Pashtun nationalists and that they are on wrong path by not fighting under their caliph Abu Bakar Baghdadi with global "Jihad".
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Welcome to the forum

Before you waste any more time with this guy, let me just introduce the bastion of all retardation that is known as "Friends of Baloch".

He is incredibly vile and racist towards anything he perceives to be Punjabi. In fact, he considers Punjabis to be "Dalits", Dravidians and not even a proper ethnic group, language or culture. To give you an idea, his last reference to Pakistan in the other thread was "black@ss Dravidian pakiland"

You will notice that he has a good grasp of Hindi and loves to promote and expand Dravidian identity using debunked theories like Aryan migration. In his mind, Dravidians created everything and were the OGs of Pashtun and Baluchi lands too.

Thirdly, he claims to have spent the last 20 years being harassed by Pakistanis and innocently caught up in Pak topics on the internet. But you can clearly see his obsession with Pakistan, which is literally the only thing he rants about, regardless of the topic.

Just a heads up. He is not friends of Baloch. I doubt he has any friends at all.

Enjoy and welcome again.
I see. Is he himself a Baloch or simply an Indian who is supporting the Baloch separatists out of enmity for Pakistan? His ID is "Friends of Baloch" so perhaps he himself is not a Baloch.

It is confusing that he bashes Punjabis for supposedly being Dravidian when he promotes Dravidian identity. I think the only Dravidian language speakers in Pakistan are the Brahoi.
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Think about all the Alid uprisings in Khurasan region modern Afghanistan. These were uprisings led by Arab descendants of the Prophet ﷺ such as Imam Yahya b. Zaid (rahmatullah alaih) and the uprising of Abdullah al-Ashtar (son of Imam Nafs-al-Zakiya) based in Kabul. I believe that Taliban should abandon the Pashtun nationalism and fight for the cause of making a pious Fatimi Sayyid as leader. Surely there have to be many pious Saadaat in Afghanistan. .
Have some self-respect as human being and stop worshiping Syeds.
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I think by "they should abandon Pashtun nationalism" you mean they should become Daesh , and by "they should fight for cause of a Fatimi Syed", you mean they should fight under banner of Abu Bakar Baghdadi who is a Fatimi Syed. I have seen Daesh supporters commenting that Taliban are not good Muslims as they are Pashtun nationalists and that they are on wrong path by not fighting under their caliph Abu Bakar Baghdadi with global "Jihad".

Not at all. I am opposed to Daesh and even wrote in this thread that I praise the Taliban for fighting against Daesh. I was criticizing Taliban for behaving like Daesh in adapting terrorist tactics, so how can you think I am a Daesh supporter (God forbid)?
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