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I didn’t blame all Arabs, only the Takfiri types like al-Qa’ida, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who had a bad influence on the Taliban resistance to NATO. Even most Arabs hate those Takfiris that are inspired by the ideology of Sayyid Qutb and the violent methods of Zarqawi, which gave birth to such a barbaric cult like Daesh, which at present in wreaking havoc in Afghanistan. At least Taliban are to be commended for fighting Daesh despite all their other shortcomings of engaging in terrorist tactics themselves.

Also the Pakistani State did not initially support Taliban. Initially Pakistani State was more in favor of Hekmatyar's Hezb-e-Islami faction but switched to Taliban when Taliban became more popular and successful
Dar al Uloom Haqqania is where the Taliban has it's roots. It was always a protege of Rawalpindi from it's inception.

So called IS in Afghanistan are mostly ex Taliban that refused to accept Mansour as Mullah Omar's replacement and were mad that Omar's death had been hidden from them for years by Rawalpindi before it was finally revealed. Others formally belonged to the IMU. Taliban is fighting them over power struggle, nothing else.


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Now they have been under the toxic influence of Takfiri Arabs from where they adapted tactics like suicide bombing, assassinations, killing civilians including little children, and other barbaric un-Islamic methods.
Takfiris as you say AQ have been in Afghanistan long before suicide bombers. Suicide bombers made its presence with NATO invasion.

Also suicide attacks is much older than takfiris.
Your understanding of the situation has many flaws.
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Dar al Uloom Haqqania is where the Taliban has it's roots. It was always a protege of Rawalpindi from it's inception.

So called IS in Afghanistan are mostly ex Taliban that refused to accept Mansour as Mullah Omar's replacement and were mad that Omar's death had been hidden from them for years by Rawalpindi before it was finally revealed. Others formally belonged to the IMU. Taliban is fighting them over power struggle, nothing else.
The Taliban are much older than the Paki state. British India has written extensively about Taliban.

your hatred for Paki is blind with no intellectual reason.
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Takfiris as you say AQ have been in Afghanistan long before suicide bombers. Suicide bombers made its presence with NATO invasion.

Also suicide attacks is much older than takfiris.
Your understanding of the situation has many flaws.

Suicide attacks were introduced into Afghanistan by the Takfiri Arabs, who themselves seemed to have gotten it from Hamas and Hizbullah. Whatever the origin of this tactic, it is terrorism and totally un-Islamic. It is not befitting for a movement like Taliban, which claim to be Islamic, to adapt such Kamikaze methods or to kill civilians. Suicide is strictly forbidden in our Religion, the suicidal goes straight to Hell. Killing civilians and innocent bystanders is even worse. Taliban insurgency is also guilty of assassinating Ulema who do not agree with them and attacking Shi’ite places of worship.

Not all the Arab mujahideen who came to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets were Takfiris, but many of them were, like Abdullah Azzam and Bin Laden. They initially brought their ideology into Afghanistan, but now the Taliban have also adapted their methods and tactics.

I believe that Taliban should never compromise on principles. They should not engage in opium/drug trafficking; they should inspire an armed uprising among ordinary Afghan Muslims against NATO through bravery and Islamic heroism. They should not threaten non-Pashtun ethnic minorities, such as the Hazara.

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Dar al Uloom Haqqania is where the Taliban has it's roots. It was always a protege of Rawalpindi from it's inception.

So called IS in Afghanistan are mostly ex Taliban that refused to accept Mansour as Mullah Omar's replacement and were mad that Omar's death had been hidden from them for years by Rawalpindi before it was finally revealed. Others formally belonged to the IMU. Taliban is fighting them over power struggle, nothing else.

Maulana Sami-ul-Haq may be the ideological founder of the Taliban, but at present he doesn't seem to have much sway over the various Taliban factions. I myself don't like the Pakistani military establishment because I view them as having betrayed Islam and simply used Islamic slogans and movements for their own selfish interests. Now the military establishment is actually becoming increasingly anti-Islamic. But that doesn't mean I don't like genuine Islamic leaders who are sincere to our Religion like Maulana Sami-ul-Haq. I appreciate Maulana Sami and the tradition he hails from.

I myself come from that tradition that is traced back to the movement of Shah Isma'il Shaheed of Delhi and Sayyid Ahmad of Rae Bareilly. This was the golden Islamic movement which is our model. Regrettably, narrow-minded Pathan tribesmen betrayed these great Mujahideen resulting in their martyrdom at the hands of the Sikh barbarians at Balakot. Those tribesmen betrayed the cause of Islam and Tawhid. After this we realized that we cannot blindly trust the Afghan tribesmen because despite their turbans and long beards they are not very grounded in Islamic ideology and easily bought and sold by various interests.

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One of the pre-Taliban armed factions which I admire were Jamil-ur-Rahman and his followers in Kunar province. They were also staunch Muwahhidin who fought purely for Islam and bravely on the battlefield against the Soviet savages. Regrettably, Hekmatyar slaughtered them and proved how maniacal he was. The rest of Afghanistan came to regret about Hekmatyar after his shelling of Kabul in the early 1990s.

Jamil-ur-Rahman's faction did not engage in the Takfiri tactics like suicide bombing. In fact, none of the various Mujahideen factions adapted such disgusting tactics in those days. It is a relatively new phenomenon that has been introduced to Afghanistan by the Takfiri Arabs of al-Qaeda.
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Suicide attacks were introduced into Afghanistan by the Takfiri Arabs, who themselves seemed to have gotten it from Hamas and Hizbullah. Whatever the origin of this tactic, it is terrorism and totally un-Islamic. It is not befitting for a movement like Taliban, which claim to be Islamic, to adapt such Kamikaze methods or to kill civilians. Suicide is strictly forbidden in our Religion, the suicidal goes straight to Hell. Killing civilians and innocent bystanders is even worse. Taliban insurgency is also guilty of assassinating Ulema who do not agree with them and attacking Shi’ite places of worship.

Not all the Arab mujahideen who came to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets were Takfiris, but many of them were, like Abdullah Azzam and Bin Laden. They initially brought their ideology into Afghanistan, but now the Taliban have also adapted their methods and tactics.

I believe that Taliban should never compromise on principles. They should not engage in opium/drug trafficking; they should inspire an armed uprising among ordinary Afghan Muslims against NATO through bravery and Islamic heroism. They should not threaten non-Pashtun ethnic minorities, such as the Hazara.

You are going off at a tangent. Arabs have been in Afghanistan since 80s but even they did not employ suicide tactics unitl NATO invasion.
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You are going off at a tangent. Arabs have been in Afghanistan since 80s but even they did not employ suicide tactics unitl NATO invasion.
I believe I acknowledged that fact. Takfiris adapted suicide bombing first in Iraq, they learned it from the Palestinian Hamas and the Lebanese Hizbullah. Then this tactic spread to Afghanistan. I also said that most of the Arab mujahideen in 1980s were not Takfiris, they were ordinary Arab volunteers who came to help their fellow Afghan Muslim brothers. The same kind of Arab volunteers went to Bosnia in the 1990s to fight against the genocide. The Takfiris have done the most damage to our cause with their poisonous ideology and now their terrorist methods.
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Maulana Sami-ul-Haq may be the ideological founder of the Taliban,
this is wrong. Taliban have been in the area for centuries.
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I believe I acknowledged that fact. Takfiris adapted suicide bombing first in Iraq, they learned it from the Palestinian Hamas and the Lebanese Hizbullah. Then this tactic spread to Afghanistan. I also said that most of the Arab mujahideen in 1980s were not Takfiris, they were ordinary Arab volunteers who came to help their fellow Afghan Muslim brothers. The same kind of Arab volunteers went to Bosnia in the 1990s to fight against the genocide. The Takfiris have done the most damage to our cause with their poisonous ideology and now their terrorist methods.
Suicide attacks is a tactic that is a reaction to foreign invasion. This is well studied by experts:
Myth Busting: Robert Pape on ISIS, suicide terrorism, and U.S. Foreign Policy – Chicago Policy Review
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