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Default 09-20-2017, 07:41 AM

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The reason that the Taliban can not be defeated militarily is because they represent the deeply rooted rural Pashtun conservatism and tribal independence. As you said except for genocide of rural Pashtuns but that's not defeating, that's extermination.

Many learned CIA analysts have already came to this conclusion which is why they keep promoting the idea of withdrawal or some kind of peace deal with the rural Pashtuns.

Firdousi,
You keep blaming the misery of your people on Pashtun tribalism or fascism as you describe it, but all this goes back to Rabanni/Masoud/Hekmatyar waging war against the government which triggered A communist Coup and a Soviet invasion that brought the sword(force) on rural Pashtuns to force them to accept something that was foreign to them. Your own leadership(Rabanni/Masoud) had their hands all over it. We are witnessing the consequences to their actions.
Whatever happened in Afghanistan before 1979 its Pashtuns fault. This include the raise of people like Rabbani and Massoud. Before 1979 there was no Tajik nationalism. All the national policies adopted by successive Afghan governments were Pashtunist-oriented.

Thats why so many Tajiks support Massoud: why should be second class citizens in our own land? Why only Pashtuns are allowed to rule this country? What makes Pashtun so special that other ethnicities are excluded from the highest government seats even when Pashtuns have proved to be an utter failure at ruling? Why Pashtun nationalist come and settle in non Pashtun areas and try to turn them into Pashtun territories? Why Pashtuns changed the name of Shabzawar into Shindand? Why Pashtuns named a bridge in the middle of Herat as "pol Pashto"? Why Pashtuns don't allow us to say Dari and want to erase our natural, historical, ethnic and linguistic ties with our cousins in the Central Asia and Iran? Why Pashtuns are so obsessed with Tajik traditions such as Nawruz?

I dont endorse Tjaik nationalism (not anymore i mean, I used to be an irrational anti-Pashtun Tajik nationalist not long time ago) but I understand what fuels it. We are all guilty here buddy. Dont play the victim card because Pashtuns are no victims here. Its true that Pashtuns have been the main loser of these wars but its also true that all these wars and conflicts were mainly started by Pashtuns.


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Default 09-20-2017, 01:26 PM

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I already proved that you cant debate rationally which translates to lost and delusional.

You must challenge the claim. Prove that your not lost and delusional by backing up your claims with valid sources.
You never proved it , you just stated it.
Anyway , this is a futile discussion which has gone off topic and come down to point scoring.So I'm done here.
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You never proved it , you just stated it.
Anyway , this is a futile discussion which has gone off topic and come down to point scoring.So I'm done here.
no it was proven. reread everything.
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Default 09-23-2017, 08:36 PM

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Whatever happened in Afghanistan before 1979 its Pashtuns fault. This include the raise of people like Rabbani and Massoud. Before 1979 there was no Tajik nationalism. All the national policies adopted by successive Afghan governments were Pashtunist-oriented.

Thats why so many Tajiks support Massoud: why should be second class citizens in our own land? Why only Pashtuns are allowed to rule this country? What makes Pashtun so special that other ethnicities are excluded from the highest government seats even when Pashtuns have proved to be an utter failure at ruling? Why Pashtun nationalist come and settle in non Pashtun areas and try to turn them into Pashtun territories? Why Pashtuns changed the name of Shabzawar into Shindand? Why Pashtuns named a bridge in the middle of Herat as "pol Pashto"? Why Pashtuns don't allow us to say Dari and want to erase our natural, historical, ethnic and linguistic ties with our cousins in the Central Asia and Iran? Why Pashtuns are so obsessed with Tajik traditions such as Nawruz?

I dont endorse Tjaik nationalism (not anymore i mean, I used to be an irrational anti-Pashtun Tajik nationalist not long time ago) but I understand what fuels it. We are all guilty here buddy. Dont play the victim card because Pashtuns are no victims here. Its true that Pashtuns have been the main loser of these wars but its also true that all these wars and conflicts were mainly started by Pashtuns.
You went off the tangent there. Where did I say it was all Tajik fault, I said they had their hand in it. But your confusing the Pashtun nationalist with rural Pashtuns who are not nationalists. As the Afghan media is getting more and more influence, Tajik nationalism would only breed more Pashtun nationalism which will create more instability instead of cooperation.

About your last comment, you should see the error in your ways. first you say Pashtuns are not victims and then you say its true Pashtuns are the main losers(victims) here. Your contradicting yourself but I see why. Your confusing Pashtun nationalists whose policies created instability and rural Pashtuns as the main victims.
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Default 09-24-2017, 08:03 PM

Afghans will always back Pakistan against any kuffar agression despite our disagreements on Durand Line. This has been proven during Indo-Pak wars where Afghans assured Pakistan that they would not take advantage of such a situation. Talibs are stating the obvious.
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Default 09-24-2017, 11:48 PM

It's most probably a militarily move, not an emotional one as some would take it. It's more practical to be on good terms with your neighbour rather than face a hostile threat with no mutual respect around. Can they trust Pakistan? Probably not but still keeps them more safe than America eventually conquering Pakistan and setting up surface to surface or GGM missiles along KPK. This is chess not checkers


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Default 09-25-2017, 06:09 AM

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You went off the tangent there. Where did I say it was all Tajik fault, I said they had their hand in it. But your confusing the Pashtun nationalist with rural Pashtuns who are not nationalists. As the Afghan media is getting more and more influence, Tajik nationalism would only breed more Pashtun nationalism which will create more instability instead of cooperation.

About your last comment, you should see the error in your ways. first you say Pashtuns are not victims and then you say its true Pashtuns are the main losers(victims) here. Your contradicting yourself but I see why. Your confusing Pashtun nationalists whose policies created instability and rural Pashtuns as the main victims.
I don't think that Tajik nationalism will breed more Pashtun nationalism basically because Pashtun nationalism is dead. For good. Although Tajik nationalism is more like an online phenomena I must point out that there is a true, genuine and growing interest by Tajiks when it comes to their culture, identity, language and ethnicity. Tajik nationalism might breed more Talibanism but not Pashtunism.

Regarding your comment about Pashtun nationalists and Pashtun rural people you are right. I was wrong. There is a huge difference between both. Rural Pashtuns have suffered a lot while urban Pashtuns have f*cked Afghanistan up and themselves.


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I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

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