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Default 08-26-2015, 02:57 PM

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Why are there still separatists in Pakistan after the British left behind their colony on a silver platter over half a century ago?
you must be blind if you are seeing separatist in Pakistan
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Baloch seperatist are not true baloch.

They are either from Afghanistan side being financed by RAW and NDS or from some foreign countries brought up by RAW to create the non existing insurgency in Pakistan.

I am feeling sad for the poor people of Afghanistan,NDS is using the tax paid money of Afghanistan people for stupid activities
You have to pause and ask yourself some important questions:

1) So what if they are funded by RAW and NDS?.. it doesnt mean that they still dont adhere to or believe in their cause. All it means is that they are an insurgent force that is trying to acquire the means to fight a modern military.

On some level, most weaponry even in the hands of all the sides of the conflict come from some other country (Russia, China, America) does that mean that if they own a pistol or a machine gun from one of these places that they are automatically in the same boat as the supplier?

2) I do not think that its at all fair or just to dismiss the true issues of the deprivations faced by Balochi tribes. Some of it is in the context of corrupt Khans but some of it is Pakistan's central government neglecting regions or limiting resources or not awarding proper funds/monies to regions that supply natural gas/mineral wealth.

3) I dont think an automaton, especially if they are just rabble rousing due to being paid, is going to be this willing to die for their cause.

Why is it that every time Pakistan has faced an ethnic dispute (Bengalis before, Pashtuns at times, Balochis) that you cannot at least take a modicum of responsibility and admit that there are real problems and real corruption that leads people to actually support these movements.


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Default 08-27-2015, 03:43 PM

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You have to pause and ask yourself some important questions:

1) So what if they are funded by RAW and NDS?.. it doesnt mean that they still dont adhere to or believe in their cause. All it means is that they are an insurgent force that is trying to acquire the means to fight a modern military.
I agree,they should do acquire foreign help to fight the superior part but why do you think we should not put the blame on those aiding them?especially India

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On some level, most weaponry even in the hands of all the sides of the conflict come from some other country (Russia, China, America) does that mean that if they own a pistol or a machine gun from one of these places that they are automatically in the same boat as the supplier?
They supply them with money and training,take example of TTP.

India has more than 20 consulates in Afghanistan and has now even setup training camps for them.Infact as per some very reliable source's injured adnan rashid was treated in nuristan in a hospital built by India


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2) I do not think that its at all fair or just to dismiss the true issues of the deprivations faced by Balochi tribes. Some of it is in the context of corrupt Khans but some of it is Pakistan's central government neglecting regions or limiting resources or not awarding proper funds/monies to regions that supply natural gas/mineral wealth.
I agree about this part but bugti tribe was in power in Balochistan for nearly 2 decades and just look at the situation of their own dera bugti city.They want to keep the baloch poor and brainwash them to get support for them.

Govt indeed is responsible for the sorry infrastructure state of Balochistan but the leaders of Baloch are more responsible

But their exist more honest Baloch leaders like Dr abdul malik baloch.He's truely concerned about the people of Balochistan.Just look at the security improvement in Balochistan ever since he's made CM of Balochistan.

CPEC will take care of the economic part of Balochistan in future


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3) I dont think an automaton, especially if they are just rabble rousing due to being paid, is going to be this willing to die for their cause.

Why is it that every time Pakistan has faced an ethnic dispute (Bengalis before, Pashtuns at times, Balochis) that you cannot at least take a modicum of responsibility and admit that there are real problems and real corruption that leads people to actually support these movements.

We accept the problems but the problems making it to seperatist movement does has foreign involvement.We cannot deny this in both the Bangladesh case or Balochistan.

You can ask more about the true facts about 1971 war and the bharat dirty involvement from @asad71 brother.He's a veteran of 1971 war and has fought for his country independence.I am sure he knows the ground realities more better than us.


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I agree,they should do acquire foreign help to fight the superior part but why do you think we should not put the blame on those aiding them?especially India



They supply them with money and training,take example of TTP.

India has more than 20 consulates in Afghanistan and has now even setup training camps for them.Infact as per some very reliable source's injured adnan rashid was treated in nuristan in a hospital built by India




I agree about this part but bugti tribe was in power in Balochistan for nearly 2 decades and just look at the situation of their own dera bugti city.They want to keep the baloch poor and brainwash them to get support for them.

Govt indeed is responsible for the sorry infrastructure state of Balochistan but the leaders of Baloch are more responsible

But their exist more honest Baloch leaders like Dr abdul malik baloch.He's truely concerned about the people of Balochistan.Just look at the security improvement in Balochistan ever since he's made CM of Balochistan.

CPEC will take care of the economic part of Balochistan in future





We accept the problems but the problems making it to seperatist movement does has foreign involvement.We cannot deny this in both the Bangladesh case or Balochistan.

You can ask more about the true facts about 1971 war and the bharat dirty involvement from @asad71 brother.He's a veteran of 1971 war and has fought for his country independence.I am sure he knows the ground realities more better than us.
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Baloch movement is dead in the water, they either surrender on mass scale or get killed.
I'm going to have to agree. Baloch independence movement is a dying dream and only a few tribes want independence while the remaining rest are happy with Pakistan. The Sardars are too busy bloating for attention that they are willing to sell out and most of the the separatist leaders live outside of Pakistan like Hyrbairr Baloch who lives in London.

I also think that the fact they are migrating to many different countries (like the gulf) that their populations for a independence movement is dropping and are notable for settling with other populations.


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Every day Baloch are attacking, burning, shooting, bombing the symbols and targets of the napak occupiers. These pakis have no idea what is happening today in napak occupied Balochistan all they know is fictional stories they read from fabricated paki media or just come onto the internet and make up stories themselves like typical gypsies who cheat themselves more than they ever can cheat others, lol.

Stinking pakis. What a nation of ugly losers and rejects of the Hindus.


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Analyst Mir Mohammad Ali Talpur talks about the state of insurgency in Balochistan and the government’s plans for peace

The News on Sunday: What do you make of the government claims that hundreds of Baloch insurgents have surrendered arms on August 14? There were conflicting reports about the killing of Dr Allah Nazar Baloch. What is the state of insurgency like in Balochistan today?

Mir Mohammad Ali Talpur: The government has always claimed that there are only a handful of misguided Baloch who resist progress at the behest of foreign hands. But since June, going by press reports, those surrendering number at least 800 so then why are the attacks still going on? The latest charade was on August 17, claiming that right hand men of Brahamdagh along with 23 others surrendered. These are ‘rent a crowd surrenders’, quite pointless.
The reports on Dr Allah Nazar Baloch simply indicate that away from the public eye there is a continued massive army operation in Awaran and he is being hunted because he symbolises the Baloch resistance. He is considered an obstacle to the CPEC but the government doesn’t realise that fish survive in the sea and the people of Balochistan are the sea for those who oppose the exploitation of resources and land grab under the flimsy garb of development.
The insurgency in Balochistan is definitely active and worrying enough for the government — apart from the forces already there including the Quetta cantonment and numerous naval bases — to announce that it would establish a Special Security Division (SSD) consisting of nine battalions of the army and six battalions of the civilian forces, and that it may extend Operation Zarb-e-Azb to Balochistan to protect Chinese personnel. The continued operation in Awaran speaks volumes about the Balochistan situation.

TNS: Last week Balochistan’s senior parliamentary leader, Nawab Sanaullah Zehri, met the self-exiled Baloch leader, Khan of Kalat Agha Suleman Dawood Ahmedzai in London to urge him to come back and play his role in Balochistan. Do you think he can play any role in the near future?

MMAT: The important question here is as Stalin asked, “How many divisions does the Pope have?” The Khan of Kalat has no divisions and is no Pope either. He no longer enjoys the influence that his elders did so his return will not change the insurgency situation in Balochistan though he too may arrange the lucrative rent a crowd surrenders to prove that his return has triggered a change.

TNS: How does the provincial government of Dr Malik plan to deal with the situation? How is it different from Prime Minister’s Pur Amn Balochistan programme or from PPP’s Aghaz-e-Huqooq-e-Balochistan Package?

MMAT: Dr. Malik’s provincial government has absolutely no plan to deal with the situation. It takes orders from Rawalpindi and Islamabad for general (pun intended) policy and the day to day government is subject to their wishes. Moreover Dr. Malik with his total 4000 votes election win doesn’t represent the Baloch people.
The PPP’s Aghaz-e-Huqooq-e-Balochistan Package was an absolute failure; it may have benefited some figures but not the people there. In February 2013, a 10-member special cabinet committee said that desired results were not achieved despite unprecedented allocation of funds.
The Pur Amn Balochistan programme of the two Shareefs isn’t a development programme but is a ‘pacification’ one, based solely on brute force to ensure security for the Chinese working on CPEC. It is in pursuance of this pacification plan that SSD formation became necessary in spite of the 50,000 plus FC already present there.

TNS: Some analysts think that the government should ideally open the door for negotiations with the estranged Baloch if it is serious about the CPEC and even the Iran Pakistan gas pipeline. Do you agree with this and is there still scope for negotiations?

MMAT: There were windows of opportunities for peace in the past but were squandered through arrogance and ignorance; the best among them was the 1972-73 Ataullah Mengal government. In September 2008, the Baloch militant groups unilaterally observed ceasefire but there was no response and in January 2009 they ended the ceasefire.
The people and the groups fighting no longer trust the government because of the frequent operations and continuing policy of systematic enforced disappearances. The trust deficit is too huge and moreover the establishment is totally intransigent because it believes, as it did in East Pakistan, that they are powerful enough to crush peoples’ aspirations in Balochistan.

TNS: What about the freedom for the media in that province?

MMAT: A workshop on ‘Media and Civil Society in Balochistan’ in Quetta in July 2012 disclosed that media there wasn’t free and journalists on professional duty often faced harassment and 22 journalists had been killed there in four years.
In February 2014, the Reporters Without Borders’ annual report said that of the seven reporters killed in Pakistan in 2013, four were from Balochistan. Last August Irshad Mastoi and trainee reporter Abdul Rasul were killed and like all previous killings these remain unsolved. A total of 32 journalists have been killed there.
In 2009, the FC laid siege to three newspaper offices in Quetta — Daily Asaap, Azadi and Balochistan Express. The FC personnel posted outside Asaap’s offices eventually forced it to stop publication.
Discussing Balochistan is not tolerated elsewhere too; a seminar “Unsilencing Balochistan” in LUMS where Mama Qadeer Baloch, Farzana Majeed and myself were to speak was arbitrarily cancelled by the intelligence agencies. Journalists and columnists outside Balochistan writing about Balochistan face pressures so Balochistan conditions can well be imagined. PTA blocks all Baloch websites while sectarian ones flourish.

TNS: What do you make of the government claims of other countries’ interference in the affairs of Balochistan?

MMAT: Since March 27, 1948, when Balochistan was forcibly annexed to Pakistan, the government has been imputing that there is foreign involvement. The intensity of these allegations is related to the insecurity that the establishment feels; recently there has been an orchestrated effort to blame foreign powers for all that is wrong in Balochistan, with special emphasis on RAW.
The insurgency and struggle in Balochistan is indigenous; there were no Indian Consulates in Kandahar when the Khan of Kalat Mehrab Khan fought the British on November 13, 1839 and when Marris defeated them at Sarat Aaf and Nafusk in 1840.
This government feels that by harping on this bogey of foreign hand they will be able to alienate all those who would feel sympathy towards the Baloch struggle. More importantly, this also provides them with justification for the unparalleled brutality that we witness in Balochistan in the form of missing persons and the abominable ‘kill and dump’ policy.

TNS: What do you suggest should be the future course of action for the government to bring peace and political stability to the province?

MMAT: With an establishment that has use of brute force as the cornerstone of its permanent policy towards dissent as one has seen in Balochistan since 1948 and saw in East Pakistan in 1971, one cannot expect it to heed suggestions for peace. It cannot be expected to respect the reservations that Baloch have because its policy is (mis)guided by the view that all Baloch who talk about their rights are foreign funded. I will not waste my time suggesting measures which will never even be considered, leave alone implemented.

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I'm going to have to agree. Baloch independence movement is a dying dream and only a few tribes want independence while the remaining rest are happy with Pakistan. The Sardars are too busy bloating for attention that they are willing to sell out and most of the the separatist leaders live outside of Pakistan like Hyrbairr Baloch who lives in London.

I also think that the fact they are migrating to many different countries (like the gulf) that their populations for a independence movement is dropping and are notable for settling with other populations.
This is the lie that napak army tells to the napak media which in turn repeats the lie to gullible paki population. Baloch society is not 100% tribal just like Pashtun society is not 100% tribal anymore. There has been disharmony among different Baloch freedom fighters in the past few years but the fight for independence is still in full swing with attacks on the paki occupiers taking place all over Balochistan daily.

Just a few months ago a freelance reporter went inside Balochistan and interviewed Dr Allah Nazar of Baloch Liberation Front and also a field commander of Balochistan Liberation Army pictured below.





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This is the lie that napak army tells to the napak media which in turn repeats the lie to gullible paki population. Baloch society is not 100% tribal just like Pashtun society is not 100% tribal anymore. There has been disharmony among different Baloch freedom fighters in the past few years but the fight for independence is still in full swing with attacks on the paki occupiers taking place all over Balochistan daily.

Just a few months ago a freelance reporter went inside Balochistan and interviewed Dr Allah Nazar of Baloch Liberation Front and also a field commander of Balochistan Liberation Army pictured below.




Friends of Baloch, I have a general rule, when I place a troll on ignore I usually don't participate in their threads either, simply because if I don't interfere in their threads they (hopefully if they have any decency, which most trolls don't unfortunately) won't interfere in mine. They will go their way and I will go mine.

This is why I don't usually post in Da Lahore Mazdigar's threads, but because this is very important I will break this general rule.


1. Thanks for telling us the truth about Balochistan.

Without people like you even the likes of me would be none the wiser and still in the dark.

During the 1971 genocide, the Pakistani media e.g. radio service reported victory after victory right up until December 16th (the day Bangladesh was liberated), so Pakistanis were stunned when they heard of their surrender.

It seems the Pakistani media is doing something similar again.


2. The Baloch are a brave people who are taking on a nuclear military of 0.6 million standing backed by America, China, Saudi and Turkey.

Not many nations could do that, but I know Baloch are a martial race and place honour and self-dignity of the utmost importance.

I hope that my Muslim brothers and sisters in Balochistan can emulate their Muslim brothers and sisters in Bangladesh and gain their freedom.


BALOCHISTAN ZINDABAD!





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Shukran ya Masr!!!

Thanks to Egypt for supporting Bangladesh against Pakistani harassment and support for terrorists and war criminals!!
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what are you talking about? I know hundreds of hindus and they are nothing like that. I know a hindu store owner here in canada who has helped dozens of new muslims, even giving them money, is he also evil hindu?

You're a typical jahil muslim thinking all hindus and non muslims are evil and all muslims are saints
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what are you talking about? I know hundreds of hindus and they are nothing like that. I know a hindu store owner here in canada who has helped dozens of new muslims, even giving them money, is he also evil hindu?

You're a typical jahil muslim thinking all hindus and non muslims are evil and all muslims are saints
1.In our country/society we practically coexist with Hindus - although their population is now down to around 5%. We know them, their mentality and character well.

2. Jews, Christians and Hindus are no well wishers of Muslims. They will stab a Muslim when he turns his back.
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