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Default 04-11-2015, 12:49 AM

I'm not saying that secularism is the answer but a very particular type of secularism would be adequate for Muslims.

Not all forms of secularism have been prosperous; Surely the Communist regimes that tried to pave way for their Soviet Czarist expansion, turned around and stabbed the citizens of Afghanistan in the back. But it'd be dishonest for me to say that the Theocratic "Mujahidin" didn't end up doing the same, because clearly they did.

The truth is the answer is neither secularism or Islamic Shari'ah; but MAYBE it is somewhere in the Middle, I just conveyed one possible version where Islamic Values can meet with secular principles. Without the trappings of a "state".
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Reformer, ay?

No riba, or usury. i don't care about the positives it brings. Allah and his prophet detailed the punishments of riba practicioners.

alcohol and drugs should be sold away from communities. But there is no "death penalty" prescribed, so no ban on that.

No prisons. a thief will get his hands cut off. given medication and get the wound stitched.

Murderers will have to pay the deceased family blood money. and hard lashes.

rapist will get executed.

Adulterers who get caught cheating on their spouses will get executed after a fair trail. Fornicators will receive lashes. but if repeat the lashes will be harder.

Mandatory zakat from able-bodied citizens.

Adhaan 5 times a day. no one can force anyone to pray. its up to the individuals. there is no punishment for missing a prayer her or there.

Arabic and English curriculum for all students from pre-k to universities.

Mandatory military and combat training for young adults (both male and female) from the ages 16-18, as an elective to graduate high school. Then from 18-23, you continue training and studying at the university. This builds brother and sisterhood. And they will be studying at the same time.

no discrimination towards non-muslims, but jizya tax on well bodied individuals.

just a few examples of how i would be running it.
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Reformer, ay?

No riba, or usury. i don't care about the positives it brings. Allah and his prophet detailed the punishments of riba practicioners.

alcohol and drugs should be sold away from communities. But there is no "death penalty" prescribed, so no ban on that.

No prisons. a thief will get his hands cut off. given medication and get the wound stitched.

Murderers will have to pay the deceased family blood money. and hard lashes.

rapist will get executed.

Adulterers who get caught cheating on their spouses will get executed after a fair trail. Fornicators will receive lashes. but if repeat the lashes will be harder.

Mandatory zakat from able-bodied citizens.

Adhaan 5 times a day. no one can force anyone to pray. its up to the individuals. there is no punishment for missing a prayer her or there.

Arabic and English curriculum for all students from pre-k to universities.

just a few examples of how i would be running it.

I actually would say I think there are valid critiques against Ribaa/Usury and interest banking. Without seeming like I'm merely touting an ideological bent on things. I feel that Usury in the modern context is a product of Federal/State banking procedures, making fiat money without solid tender to back it. It's why debt inflates so quickly. I think there could be a place for an Islamic approach to finance, but it needs a more sophisticated understanding.

Killing very rarely solves crime and if there's death penalty for rapists; there's a chance that murders will icrease as well, which is not what we want.

Killing for adultery only makes adultery more clandestine and thereby more dangerous. Prevention is a better focus than penalty.

we need RESULTS based decisions not IDEOLOGY based decisions.

I think Arabic could become an International/Commercial Language which we can use to communicate between other countries, But that isn't a priority
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I actually would say I think there are valid critiques against Ribaa/Usury and interest banking. Without seeming like I'm merely touting an ideological bent on things. I feel that Usury in the modern context is a product of Federal/State banking procedures, making fiat money without solid tender to back it. It's why debt inflates so quickly. I think there could be a place for an Islamic approach to finance, but it needs a more sophisticated understanding.

coming from a finance background, this issue could be discussed and would like to expand on this topic more

Killing very rarely solves crime and if there's death penalty for rapists; there's a chance that murders will icrease as well, which is not what we want.

also open for this. But i see no point of lengthy prison time. America's system is a good example of why it really isn't that good.

Killing for adultery only makes adultery more clandestine and thereby more dangerous. Prevention is a better focus than penalty.

obviously a fair trial will be held. more research will be done with this

we need RESULTS based decisions not IDEOLOGY based decisions.

i think if you get a fair ideology based decisions a chance, it will be for the best

I think Arabic could become an International/Commercial Language which we can use to communicate between other countries, But that isn't a priority
it should be because now Muslims from all over can understand the beauty of the verses of the Qu'ran like it was meant to be. not translations
That was just a first draft rundown.

classes would teach the sciences, math, communications/public speaking, business/economics/finance and history,

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Default 04-11-2015, 02:06 PM

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Reformer, ay?

No riba, or usury. i don't care about the positives it brings. Allah and his prophet detailed the punishments of riba practicioners.

alcohol and drugs should be sold away from communities. But there is no "death penalty" prescribed, so no ban on that.

No prisons. a thief will get his hands cut off. given medication and get the wound stitched.

Murderers will have to pay the deceased family blood money. and hard lashes.

rapist will get executed.

Adulterers who get caught cheating on their spouses will get executed after a fair trail. Fornicators will receive lashes. but if repeat the lashes will be harder.

Mandatory zakat from able-bodied citizens.

Adhaan 5 times a day. no one can force anyone to pray. its up to the individuals. there is no punishment for missing a prayer her or there.

Arabic and English curriculum for all students from pre-k to universities.

Mandatory military and combat training for young adults (both male and female) from the ages 16-18, as an elective to graduate high school. Then from 18-23, you continue training and studying at the university. This builds brother and sisterhood. And they will be studying at the same time.

just a few examples of how i would be running it.
why dont you go live with your ISIS buddies them, instead of living in the west ,aren't they the exact same thing? ISIS is state is heaven for you.

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why dont you go live with your ISIS buddies them, instead of living in the west ,aren't they dont the exact same thing? ISIS is state is heaven for you.
Why won't you start learning and stop reading cue cards? I think Geert Wilders, Ayaan Ali, and Charlie Hebdo's offices are calling for you.

You also clearly do not know anything about Islam, or ISIS for that matter, also even what i wrote.

What did i write about the Alcohol and drugs? What does ISIS do

What did i say about prison? How many does ISIS have

What did i say about Adultery and fornications? where does that come from

I said Adhaan gets heard 5 times a day. and no one is forced to pray. What does ISIS do to people who skip prayers

English and Arabic curriculum. Yea because Spanish and French or spoken by more people -_-

i mentioned Mandatory military training. Where did i get it from? Modernly your friends at Israel.


I would like you to stop Takfiring me. Like your friends at ISIS
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Default 04-11-2015, 09:29 PM

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Why won't you start learning and stop reading cue cards? I think Geert Wilders, Ayaan Ali, and Charlie Hebdo's offices are calling for you.

You also clearly do not know anything about Islam, or ISIS for that matter, also even what i wrote.

What did i write about the Alcohol and drugs? What does ISIS do

What did i say about prison? How many does ISIS have

What did i say about Adultery and fornications? where does that come from

I said Adhaan gets heard 5 times a day. and no one is forced to pray. What does ISIS do to people who skip prayers

English and Arabic curriculum. Yea because Spanish and French or spoken by more people -_-

i mentioned Mandatory military training. Where did i get it from? Modernly your friends at Israel.


I would like you to stop Takfiring me. Like your friends at ISIS
Lol my friends ISIS? you are ISIS, you supported them at the beginning. I really hope they roundup people like you and deport you to ISIS land
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Default 04-11-2015, 11:39 PM

Sometimes people are fully capable of differentiating between right and wrong but choose to stick with the wrong for the sake of the shock value that it provides in certain situations.
It's about time you give up such habits of indulging in cheap thrills like that, Qais. You are a grown man, not a teenager anymore. Start acting like it.



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