Originally Posted by MDresden
Well, I'm not debating per say. I don't know enough of either side of the argument to point to a "valid" opinion...and that's a fault of mine for not doing research I admit...but I will not let myself nor my country be "attacked" on a forum (not the reason I'm here either) so openly and everything here is expressed so radically for lack of a better word.
The debates are always so one-sided that I just quite often "step out" of them since I don't have enough knowledge of either side of the issue.
Matt, we have more information at our fingertips than any nation before us in existence. Yet, we know more about what Jen did to Brad and what Angelina Jolie did to them both etc. Instead of viewing your country as under attack, you ought to understand the phenomena. Take a step back and look at the complexity you see here where there are vocal minority secularists, traditionalists, Islamists, confused American born Afghans (according to some here I am in the latter category). Its not as simple as people "hate" America and therefore you should jump, long a programmed automaton to its defense. There are people here at wish America ill, people that are fine with America and just wished it would disengage from these sheninagins, and people here that want to use Americans for their own interests. And why do you see it as radical? Why not get to the root of all of this so you could truly serve your country in the manner that General Washington demanded of you, as opposed to disobeying his command to not get tied into interventionalism. Here are his words of guidance to you about nation building and all the things that you think are good things that you are citing (building schools, canals, highway 1):
Quotes from Washington
's farewell address:
Trade and conduct commerce, but have little political connection:
"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities."
Do not take on another nation's burdens:
"”So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification.
It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate,
in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation."