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Friend · 08-13-2012, 09:24 PM

Quran don't have to prove it to you lol. Quran has given a ready made invention for which science has spent hundreds of years.

Toramana · 08-13-2012, 09:25 PM

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To your whole mindset and whatever it has in it. Quran is not a book of science and science could not prove a single verse of the Quran to be untrue.
Quran is a book to get salvation in this life and the life after death.

In Quran, it says one should resume fasting when dark separates from the light (sahar) and break it when light separates from the dark. Now on the north and south pole, sun never sets ---means you are fasting forever---(Doesn't God didn't know how length of days and night changes with latitude/longitude?).

You should have solved the problems of qibla and citing of Eid moon by now if there were much science there.

Anyhow, emkhan, I agree Quran should not be called a book of science---It should simply be considered a book of morality. And it is not the purpose of Science to prove or disprove Quran. So saying that is absurd.

Toramana · 10:03 PM

In fact I have heard these ridiculous claims from scholars of Islam repeatedly ---i.e., assigning authenticity to Quran by trying to find versus that in some way can be linked to scientific discoveries (Scientists discover things and then these scholars search the Quran ---and say oh, it is already here...One gets appalled by the share degree of ridiculousness, ignorance, and self-delusion).

The other thing they do is to try to appear scientific and therefore more authentic as this dude Hamza above did. I remember when I was a college student, members of Islami Jamiat Talaba would approach me and say how scientific Tafhimul Quran is and how it interprets Quran in terms of chemistry, physics, biology, etc. and would praise Mulana Muadudi to be both a scholar and scientist.

Later when this Dr Tahirul Qadiri emerged his followers would claim he knows physcis, micobiology, genetics, etc. etc. and is a scientist apart from a scholar as well.

Friend · 08-13-2012, 09:38 PM

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In Quran, it says one should resume fasting when dark separates from the light (sahar) and break it when light separates from the dark. Now on the north and south pole, sun never sets ---means you are fasting forever---(Doesn't God didn't know how length of days and night changes with latitude/longitude?).

You should have solved the problems of qibla and citing of Eid moon by now if there were much science there.

Anyhow, emkhan, I agree Quran should not be called a book of science---It should simply be considered a book of morality. And it is not the purpose of Science to prove or disprove Quran. So saying that is absurd.

Is there any human or animal life on those extreme north and south poles ?

Karachi · 08-13-2012, 09:45 PM

hoodboy is a naive, he is also an american puppet.

Toramana · 08-13-2012, 09:53 PM

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Is there any human or animal life on those extreme north and south poles ?

May be not but you cannot rule out the possibility of humans populating that place. At some points where humans live nights and days are much longer sometimes months longer.

What if humans made it to some other planet with other variations of days and night.

Toramana · 10:16 PM

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hoodboy is a naive, he is also an american puppet.

I think he is a very knowledgeable person and wishes that Muslim societies become stronger and scientific through political and ideological pluralism and rationality and scientific thinking. But alas, Mullahs are bringing Muslim societies down. Who knows this guy Hamza who debated with Dr Pervez Hoodbuy is a mole implanted in Mulsim societies to make Muslims more begotic and unscientific?

Friend · 08-13-2012, 09:59 PM

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May be not but you cannot rule out the possibility of humans populating that place. At some points where humans live nights and days are much longer sometimes months longer.

What if humans made it to some other planet with other variations of days and night.

What may be ? Where you science gone now ? Fasting is for human beings and not icy mountains.
Science does not believe in "may be". So don't bring may bees. Prove human life on other planets then we will talk.
Thanks

Toramana · 10:21 PM

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What may be ? Where you science gone now ? Fasting is for human beings and not icy mountains.
Science does not believe in "may be". So don't bring may bees. Prove human life on other planets then we will talk.
Thanks

This only shows your ignorance (one-dimensional thought). Science is based on skepticism where you don't give a definite statement until the validity of something is established by empirical evidence or theoretical indication. In Science, if you don't have the evidence, you don't say no or yes (it is gray not black-and-white). Science is not religion to give absolute statements.

Whether north and south poles will be populated is not certain. However, one can conjecture that as human population and also its needs for more resources would expand, humans may populate the north pole as well. There are many places on earth un-populated but inhabited later as human population expanded.

But there are places near north and south pole where humans live and where nights and days last for months e.g., Siberia). Now your argument flattens there.

Friend · 08-13-2012, 11:17 PM

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This only shows your ignorance (one-dimensional thought). Science is based on skepticism where you don't give a definite statement until the validity of something is established by empirical evidence or theoretical indication. In Science, if you don't have the evidence, you don't say no or yes (it is gray not black-and-white). Science is not religion to give absolute statements.

Whether north and south poles will be populated is not certain. However, one can conjecture that as human population and also its needs for more resources would expand, humans may populate the north pole as well. There are many places on earth un-populated but inhabited later as human population expanded.

But there are places near north and south pole where humans live and where nights and days last for months e.g., Siberia). Now your argument flattens there.

That is what I am saying. Don't bring scientific theories because theories changes. Established scientific fact or principle is something can be discussed.
You better bring some evidence that people even Muslims inhabit there.

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