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Luffy (04-26-2011) | ||
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| Pashtuns have done favouritism with syeds. While rest of non-pashtuns could'nt own lands, syeds were given equal or more social status than pashtuns. In heart of lakki marwat there are three sadaat villages, aba khel, dalo khel and matoraio....no other non-pashtuns in lakki have given lands/villages. In bannu syeds make only 10% of total population but they own one third of the most fertile lands. milat e Afghan dar en paikar dil ast Dar fisad aw fisad Asia waz gishad aw gishad Asia (allama iqbal) |
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You can say that KPK are not as warlike as those of FATA and Afghanistan to raise emergency lashkars but they can relatively better adjust/subject themselves to military, political, and administrative discipline. That is what is the requirement of a modern state i.e., conflicts are politically negotiated and that disciplined, organized, and skilled workforce is available to run the state institutions. By the way, this mild-temperdness is also a consequence of the presence of a huge artisan class in the KPK Pashtun society that is more inclined to professional pursuit and peace (natural pacifism/submissivism of that class notwithstanding). And you sound to be right about FATA and Quetta Pashtuns (also to a degree about southern Pashtuns). I have heard my Afridi friends proudly telling me in my conversation with them that Ustad Khyal Mammad is also an Afridi (he originally is from Khyber). This doesn't mean he has a status equal to a red-blooded Afridi yet Afridis can accept him to be one of their own. You can seldom expect it from a Yousafzai or Mohammadzai. Afridis have no or weak feudal foundations. |
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| also afghans have had to deal with many invasions. this interferes with their peace and harmony to develop in a constructive way. their land also is more rugged and dry, no? |
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| When I first read the title I thought it would somehow lead on to the Utmanzais for instance i.e. Bacha Khan and his family and thus the ANP. I also thought it would talk about the constituent demographies that vote for different groups. Nevertheless it is an interesting read. One thing which I would add is that sociologically the traditional tribal structure which exists in the mountains and valleys of Pakhtunkhwa are inevitably melting down in the place which is home to the largest single concentration of Pashtuns in the world, Karachi. So where as there was a change from nomadic pastoral to sedentary/agrarian from Afghankhwa to Pakhtunkhwa now we see a change from sedentary/agrarian and semi-industrialized (e.g. Peshawar) to urban megapolis in the form of Karachi. So a Yusufzai or Durrani whose ancestors may have been nomads then farmers is now a city-dweller (doing whatever profession he is). He will retain his Pashtun genetics but his Pashtunwali - or the traditional definition of it - will dilute e.g. nang, badal etc. On a different note Pashtuns of Karachi may inevitably become Urdified as Mahmudzais of Kabul have become Farsified thus differentiating Pashtun-origined peoples more and more, till some of them have absolutely nothing in common besides religion and a common genetic ancestry. |
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Pashtuns attempts for formation of a state or even a more organized society have been disrupted again and again by invasions of gigantic magnitude. And you are right. Geographical and topographical factors have played a role in shaping attitudes. In KPK distances are short and the terrain easy for the writ (and the benovolent aspect ) of the state to be extended to remote villages and valleys. Land is also relatively more fertile/productive for people to engage in farming and other endeavours. But paradoxically, an educated Pashtun of Afghanistan tends to be more open/liberal in certain things, e.g. KPK Pashtuns avoid mixed gatherings (of men and men), or allowing women to go out without veil, or allow them to participate in events like musical shows, etc. The Yousafzais are usually even shy to do attanr (traditional Pashtun dance). In my opinion this may be due to feudalistic attitude in Yousafzais and retention of the egalitarian tradtion of the traditional tribal Pashtun society in Pashtuns of Afghanistan. Royalistic/aristocratic (kings, etc. in Afg) inclinations/emulation and elitist phenomenon might also be the reason. But I may be wrong about this observation for which I will apologize. |
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faye (04-26-2011) | ||
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With aggrrarian mode of economy, the scope for craftsmanship and professions widens and a sizeable artisan class emerges (due to resource surpless) that is engaged in creative/productive activity for which they need peace/protection, which is provided by the landed gentry. In a modern state, this role is assumed by the institutions of the state eliminating the need for feudal overlordship (and self-assumed tribal/class supremacy of feudals). And you are right about Karachi Pashtuns. Majority of these de-rooted Pashtuns is artisan class with their leader Shahi Sayed also not technically a Pashtun (in traditional sense). I have talked to many Karachi Pashtuns and they contend they have peculier issues that need to be addressed independently of the overseership of central ANP. Cultural and social transformation is already going on in them on a high-scale. Over a few decade, I see a new Karachi Pashtun identity emerge with a strong sense of solidarity with the mainland Pashtuns yet with a different flavour of Pashtun Culture and different political perception. I think same may be said (am not sure) of Pashtuns of Kunduz for example. |
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Bengal_Tiger (04-27-2011) | ||
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| Bacha I have talked more than needed today --- so will turn to the actual subject matter of the thread i.e. how social stratification has resulted in class-driven political affiliation in KPK. |
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