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Default What is this all about? - 11-18-2017, 08:26 AM

So my friend sent me this asking whether this was true or not and idk so what do yall think?
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yeah bull**** ...lol


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That‘s a rumor set by the brits to demonize Pashtuns and display them as wild/immoral people. I think the intention of the fairy tale teller was to decrease the inhibition level of a soldier to kill.
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That‘s a rumor set by the brits to demonize Pashtuns and display them as wild/immoral people. I think the intention of the fairy tale teller was to decrease the inhibition level of a soldier to kill.
Its not reported by any other British, only John Masters. There were British officers who spent decades in Khyber and they did not report this practice. The fact that John Masters was a novelist, lends little credibility to his story. He must have made up these stories to spice up his autobiography.

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Robert Warburton who served as Political Agent for eighteen years in Khyber, says the following about Khyberi females in his book ;

"A woman or girl above 10 years is never permitted to address any male not connected with her by relationship. A stranger has always to be avoided, and if by any chance a woman comes across one in a narrow lane or road, she generally covers up her face and stands with her back towards him until he has passed" (Eighteen years in the Khyber, 1879-1898, p-199)
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Its not reported by any other British, only John Masters. There were British officers who spent decades in Khyber and they did not report this practice. The fact that John Masters was a novelist, lends little credibility to his story. He must have made up these stories to spice up his autobiography.

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What a kharbachay and troll he was.
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Robert Warburton who served as Political Agent for eighteen years in Khyber, says the following about Khyberi females in his book ;

"A woman or girl above 10 years is never permitted to address any male not connected with her by relationship. A stranger has always to be avoided, and if by any chance a woman comes across one in a narrow lane or road, she generally covers up her face and stands with her back towards him until he has passed" (Eighteen years in the Khyber, 1879-1898, p-199)


Interestingly Robert Warburton's mother is Shah Jehan Begum, niece of Dost Muhammad Khan


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Interestingly Robert Warburton's mother is Shah Jehan Begum, niece of Dost Muhammad Khan
I’ve read the wiki-page about him. He seem to had some influence over the afghans in frontier - what I really doubt. A person like him is referred as haramzoy/haramzada and no one gives a fck if he is fluent in Dari/Pashto. Maybe another kharbachay who wanted to spicey up his biography like @Samandri said about the golden shower guy.
Samandri do you have any information about him being respected by the tribes?
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I’ve read the wiki-page about him. He seem to had some influence over the afghans in frontier - what I really doubt. A person like him is referred as haramzoy/haramzada and no one gives a fck if he is fluent in Dari/Pashto. Maybe another kharbachay who wanted to spicey up his biography like @Samandri said about the golden shower guy.
Samandri do you have any information about him being respected by the tribes?
If his mother really was an Afghan princess, niece of the Amir, then it would have been a big news and should have been reported by multiple sources in 1840s . British had suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of Afghans in 1842 and they were eager to report any such scandal involving Afghan women. But the first source mentioning it is the autobiography of Robert Warburton himself, written in 1900. He dedicates only four lines to talk about the background of his mother and claims that she was niece of Amir Dost Muhammad Khan and claims that some Englishmen were witness to the marriage. It seems to me some common Kabuli woman married his father. He claimed her to be a princess and there was no way it could be verified whether his claim was false or true.

All the British administrators, political agents in North-West Frontier could speak Pashto, nothing unique about Robert Warburton knowing Pashto. The claim that he had some kind of influence over Afridi and other Khyberi tribesmen because he had an Afghan mother, is baseless and rubbish. I am sure he did not reveal to the Pashtun tribesmen that his mother was an Afghan who run away with a 'kafir' Angraiz......that would have worked like oil on fire. He raised Khyber Rifles but it had more to do with his efficiency and talent than his heritage. Similar militias were also raised in other tribal areas by talented officers like him.....and the Afridi men recruiting in Khyber rifles were not followers of some English leader or personality with Afghan mother, it was simply a bread-earning job for them.......soldiery and mercenary has been the profession of Pashtun tribesmen since time immemorial.
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Interestingly Robert Warburton's mother is Shah Jehan Begum, niece of Dost Muhammad Khan
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Based on the info Samandri and I found, I suspect the claim is BS.
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