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Default Pshtuns of Kashmir - 10-03-2017, 10:44 AM

There are a large number of Pashto-speaking Pashtuns in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir . Although their exact numbers are hard to determine, it is at least in excess of 100,000 for it is known that in 1954 over 100,000 nomadic Pukhtuns living in Kashmir Valley were granted Indian citizenship. Today jirgas are frequently held. Those settled and living in the Kashmir Valley speak Pashto, and are found chiefly in the southwest of the valley, where Pashtun colonies have from time to time been founded. The most interesting are the Kukikhel Afridis of Dramghaihama, who retain all the old customs and speak Pashto. They wear colorful dress and carry swords and shields. The Afridis and the Machipurians, who belong to the Yusufzai tribe, are liable to military service, in return for which they hold certain villages free of revenue. There are a few families in the capital city of Srinagar which claim their origins to Yusufzai and Achakzai tribes. The Pashtuns chiefly came in under the Afghan rule , but many were brought by Maharaja Gulab Singh under the Dogra rule for service on the frontier and are now found mainly in south-west region of Jammu.There is also a good number of nomadic Pashtun clan living in north and south state of Jammu and Kashmir. In Jammu they usually reside in Poonch District and Jammu District who also speak Dogri (a Punjabi dialect) along with Pashto. While in districts of Bandipora District,and Baramulla District in north . while districts of Ganderbal District of southern Kashmir. Pashto is also spoken in two villages, Dhakki and Changnar (Chaknot), located on the Line of Control in Kupwara District of northern state of Jammu and Kashmir.In response to demand by the Pashtun community living in the state, Kashir TV has recently launched a series of Pushto-language programs.

Some solitary families of Sadozai, Achakzai Pashtuns are well known in Srinagar whose roots go to Kandahar. Many Pashto-speaking Afghans/ Pashtuns are also notably found in Indian Army and Jammu and Kashmir Police as well. Very few people know that Afghan President , Najibullah Ahmadzai has himself studied at St. Joseph's School (Baramulla) .

A further small, scattered Pashtun population still exists in some major cities of India with large Muslim populations, with the majority of Pashto-speaking individuals residing in the Indian State of West Bengal and Assam. There is large Pashtun people and they belong to Ghilzai, Yousufzai, Kharoti, Afridi, Shinwari, Durrani Tribes, who also have adopted local languages of the respective areas they live in, as their second language. These Pathans, numbering around 14,161,have retained the use of the Pashto language and are still able to speak and understand it. Along with the pashto speaking Pathans, there are also groups of those who have completely mixed with the local cultures and some belong to high cultural strata. In July 1954 (shortly after the partition), some 100,000 Pashtun tribesmen living in Jammu and Kashmir who previously did not hold nationality effectively became Indian citizens.[1] According to The Hindu, the ceremony was presided by the Prime Minister of Jammu and Kashmir Bakshi Ghulam Mohammad at the village of Gutlibagh near Srinagar, during which citizenship certificates were presented in batches. The prime minister paid a tribute to the Pashtun community for its "role in the country's liberation struggle" and also to Pashtun nationalist leaders such as Bacha Khan. Leaders of the Pashtun community pledged their loyalty to their adopted homeland.[1]

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there are more than 1,00,000 of us Kashmiri pashtuns in valley. while majority are from yusufzai, achakzai and Afridi community there are some of us who belong to minority tribes such as Ghilzai, Kharoti, Guruzai, Shinwari, Durrani and Sadozai. i myself belong to GuruZai Tribe.
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Default 10-04-2017, 02:48 AM

Just 100000 ? I expected bigger number.

Btw whats origin of kakkar, ghilzai tribes ? If you are a real pashtun than i suggest you to be careful about durrani or sudhans durranis were KPs who converted yo Islam same as sudhans and bamezai. Sone worked under These tribes abd adopted their title and later islam.

Some sudhan started using sudhanzai and saddozai title dropping sudhan mohyal acestry. I have discussed this earlier with @Samandri

Whats the Origin of Guruzai tribe ?

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Default 10-04-2017, 04:38 AM

@Samandri @Charsi Malang guts do you have anything to say here ? Specially on tribes i mentioned in my previous post ?

I must say i am surprised that there are only 1,00,000 pashtuns in kashmir while whole of swat was colonised by Afghans as early as starting of Early Modern period of Europen Civilization. Is seems that kashmir remained untouched by Afghans. It is worth noticing that North of Afghanistan, Swat and Kashmir are verymuch similar in terms of land, climate and fana. Are there reason for such a low pashtun population in kashmir ?
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Default 10-04-2017, 02:12 PM

WTF ! i am a pure Pakhtoon from Kashmir.

and all Durranis, Khilzais, Guruzais, sadozais migrated here during our rule. nobody claims fake Pakhtoon heritage here.
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Default 10-04-2017, 03:58 PM

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@Samandri @Charsi Malang guts do you have anything to say here ? Specially on tribes i mentioned in my previous post ?

I must say i am surprised that there are only 1,00,000 pashtuns in kashmir while whole of swat was colonised by Afghans as early as starting of Early Modern period of Europen Civilization. Is seems that kashmir remained untouched by Afghans. It is worth noticing that North of Afghanistan, Swat and Kashmir are verymuch similar in terms of land, climate and fana. Are there reason for such a low pashtun population in kashmir ?
Never heard of a Pashtun from Kashmir. Never met one either. Met plenty who say their ancestors were Pashtun.
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Default 10-05-2017, 02:24 PM

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WTF ! i am a pure Pakhtoon from Kashmir.

and all Durranis, Khilzais, Guruzais, sadozais migrated here during our rule. nobody claims fake Pakhtoon heritage here.
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Default 10-05-2017, 02:53 PM

Guru-zai is probably a fake troll account.

Pashtuns (Pashto speakers) of Kashmir can not be more than few thousands, and their number will decline with each generation as they are getting Kashmirized. There was news report (shared on this site few years ago), in which 3,000 to 5,000 Pashtuns in the villages near Srinagar had preserved their identity and language. They settled in Kashmir during Dogra period in early years of 20th century.

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Default 10-05-2017, 03:04 PM

1895's report on Pashtuns of Machipura (Kupwara district, Indian Kashmir).

"The Pathans are chiefly to be found in the Uttar Machipura Tahsil, where Pathan colonies have from time to time been founded. The most interesting colony is that of the Kuki Kheyl Afridis of Dranghaihama, who retain all the old Pathan customs, and still for the most part speak Pashtu.

They wear a picturesque dress and carry swords and shields. They pride themselves on their bravery, and in the absence of a nobler foe engage the bear on foot with the sword, or spear him from their plucky little ponies. Another colony of Pathans is that of the Machipurias, but by intermarriage with Kashmiri women the Machipurias have lost most of the characteristics of the Pathan. The old men still talk Pashtu, but the younger generation resemble Kashmiris and speak their language. The Machipuria Pathans belong to the Yusufzai section, and are known as Marufkhani Pathans. The name Machipuria is erroneous, as they live in Hamal, which only adjoins Machipura. The Afridis, or Khyberis as they are called, furnish thirty-five men for service on the Gilgit road, and the Machipurias twenty five. In payment for this they hold certain villages free of revenue. The majority of the Pathans came to Kashmir in the Durrani time, but many were introduced by the Maharaja Gulab Singh, who granted them jagirs for service on the frontier.

In Bhiru many villages are held by Swatis and Bonairwals. Jugokharian belongs to a number of Khattak families. The Pathans are always given the title of Khan, and the snuff-sellers of Kashmir, who trade with Peshawar, have now assumed Khan as a Kram name. "

(The Valley of Kashmir By Sir Walter Roper Lawrence, 1895, p-309)
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Default 10-05-2017, 04:23 PM

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@Samandri @Charsi Malang guts do you have anything to say here ? Specially on tribes i mentioned in my previous post ?

I must say i am surprised that there are only 1,00,000 pashtuns in kashmir while whole of swat was colonised by Afghans as early as starting of Early Modern period of Europen Civilization. Is seems that kashmir remained untouched by Afghans. It is worth noticing that North of Afghanistan, Swat and Kashmir are verymuch similar in terms of land, climate and fana. Are there reason for such a low pashtun population in kashmir ?
Why you are so convinced that there are 100,000 Pashtuns in Kashmir?. I can edit Wikipedia and make it 200,000 if i want to.

If you check the map, Pashtun belt is not contiguous with Kashmir. You should be rather asking why they did not colonize the contiguous areas like Chitral, Kohistan and Hazara?. And its not like Pashtuns grew on trees, Yousafzais did not have men power to expand beyond the vast area which they had made their new home in first decade of 16th century. They did conquer Kafiristan , Kohisitan and Pakhli (Hazara) at one point but only as the tributary vassals. Upper Swat is still largely non-Pashtun even though it was ruled by Yousafzais. The vast territory was more than enough for Yousafzais , in fact they gave lands to other Pashtun tribes. Also the colonization and conquests took place when the entire Yousafzai tribe was under one chief. When they lost that organization, they lost the strength. Moreover you should know that Kashmir, Hazara and Potohar became part of Mughal empire in 1556 and Mughals prevented any incursions of Pashtuns in these areas in 16th and 17th centuries. Mughals had built a chain of forts around Yousafzai country in east and south ,and had created a kind of blockade.
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Default 11-09-2017, 02:37 PM

Guruzai: I think I saw you wrote that you are Bamizai Durrani. If I am not wrong there has been 3 Bamizai Durrani Governors of Kashmir. So that might explain that there are still some Bamizai families in Kashmir.

Do you have a family tree.It could be interesting to see if there is some link between our families, as I am also a Bamizai Durrani.
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