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I am not an expert on anthropology but i think the phenotypes of central Asian Turks changed drastically after Mongol invasion. Uzbeks and Kyrghis look very Mongolian but as you go west towards Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan, which suffered less from Mongol devastation and settlements, they begin to show heavy Caucasian looks. I have read that Kipchak Turks of steppes, which suffered extermination and enslavement at the hands of Mongols, had rather handsome features (from our standards), red even blonde hair, coloured eyes etc. The Mamluks of Egypt, were these Kipchak Turks, and they are described as handsome people. Arabs and Persians were very familiar with Turks but the Mongol hordes appearing on their doors, were weird and alien looking to them.

Amir Khusrao, a poet of 13th century India, who was in the service of Turk and Khilji Sultans of India.....was a Turk himself and was living in Turk-dominated India. He was captured by Mongols for some time and he described them as "squat bodies suited to attack, bow legs and ugly faces marked by prominent ears and flat noses, swarthy skins, and bristling hair"............ Mongols invaders definitely look very different from the Turks in our regions, i dont think Subtagin, Mahmud Ghaznavi etc were Mongoloid people.

Moreover Khaljis were probably hephtalites from Turkmenistan, resembled Turks but were not Turks , i think.
The hephtalites were not ethnic Turks but did belong to the Turkic linguistic group meaning they had adopted the Turks language and culture.
Most Turks that came south into Persia adopted Persian and ones that came into Afghanistan and India adopted the local customs and languages with the rulers mostly adopting Farsi for administration.

The Turks that went westward into Anatolia namely the Oghuz Turks influenced the people there with their language and culture but those people are still the indigenous people of Anatolia who are Caucasian. Arabic and Persian on the other hand could not be influenced since both were rich with literature and poetry.

The Turks are a linguistic group rather than an ethnic group since they absorbed many other ethnic groups into their language and culture.
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And Hepthalites were Abdali Pashtuns from Kabul who invaded India later by establishing an empire in central asia first.


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And Hepthalites were Abdali Pashtuns from Kabul who invaded later by establishing an empire in central asia first.
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And Hepthalites were Abdali Pashtuns from Kabul who invaded India later by establishing an empire in central asia first.
From Kabul? They migrated from central Asia and amalgamated with Pakhtas. Ghilzai probably have Hunnic origin too.
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Default 01-21-2016, 03:15 PM

No need for fairy tales, genetics have proven Ghilzais are just like other pashtuns.

People from time to time like to associate themselves with the elite and this theory might have become famous since pashtuns served in the army of the Turk Mahmud Ghaznavi and the Turks became rulers of central-south Asia. Many Punjabis have surnames like Qureshi etc and try to associate themselves with the Quraish tribe of prophet Mohammad (saw) after Islam but we know they are just former hindus of sub continent who converted to Islam.

Same applies to the stupid theory of Qais Abdul Rashid being the descendent of King Saul and Bani Isreal theory of Pashtuns.

These are all myths and belong to mythology books.

Many pashtuns use the surname "Khan" which is of turko mongol origin. Does it make them Mongol now? There are many words used in Pashto like "wulas" "chabak" etc which are also used in turkic languages because of turkic migration to central-south asia after 6th century. There might be some Ghilzais who might have intermingled with some Turkic migrants but thats about it.

This theory belongs in the dust bin of history.
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No need for fairy tales, genetics have proven Ghilzais are just like other pashtuns.

People from time to time like to associate themselves with the elite and this theory might have become famous since pashtuns served in the army of the Turk Mahmud Ghaznavi and the Turks became rulers of central-south Asia. Many Punjabis have surnames like Qureshi etc and try to associate themselves with the Quraish tribe of prophet Mohammad (saw) after Islam but we know they are just former hindus of sub continent who converted to Islam.

Same applies to the stupid theory of Qais Abdul Rashid being the descendent of King Saul and Bani Isreal theory of Pashtuns.

These are all myths and belong to mythology books.

Many pashtuns use the surname "Khan" which is of turko mongol origin. Does it make them Mongol now? There are many words used in Pashto like "wulas" "chabak" etc which are also used in turkic languages because of turkic migration to central-south asia after 6th century. There might be some Ghilzais who might have intermingled with some Turkic migrants but thats about it.

This theory belongs in the dust bin of history.
Khan is strictly Turk origin.
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And Hepthalites were Abdali Pashtuns from Kabul who invaded India later by establishing an empire in central asia first.
Welcome back Kushan but you have no sources to back up what your saying. Afghan/Pashtuns are not mentioned in history books until the 9th/10th century which correlates with the Hepthalites Turk migration southward when they became masters of the region. It is very possible that these Turks absorbed pashtun language and culture.
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Default 01-21-2016, 03:36 PM

Ghilzais don't have much of east asian ancestry but it's possible before mongols swept across central asia people didn't have much of east asian to begin with. So there is possibility of original Ghilzai being Turks.

Another possibility is that elite turks were very much east asian shifted but not like mongols. And we know people have always adopted identity of elites. If elite east asian like ghilzai turks were not numerous then they wouldn't have made much of genetic impact in current day Ghilzais who are in millions.


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