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Default 07-13-2017, 03:45 PM

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Thats due to Tabligh
So is all tabligh in Pakistan carried out in Urdu?
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So is all tabligh in Pakistan carried out in Urdu?
The bayans and khutbas in our mosques are in Pashto, translations of Quran and hadith are narrated in Pashto, but the ones you are talking about, who switch to Urdu, have participated in tabligh or have listened to tablighis who speak in Urdu. Those who cant speak Urdu (usually elderly) do Tabligh in Pashto but those who know Urdu even if its very weak, are encouraged to do tabligh in Urdu. Maulana Abdul Wahab even once issued an order that Tabligh must be compulsorily done in Urdu language but he had take it back after criticism. So out of habit, they switch to Urdu due to influence of Tabligh.
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The bayans and khutbas in our mosques are in Pashto, translations of Quran and hadith are narrated in Pashto, but the ones you are talking about, who switch to Urdu, have participated in tabligh or have listened to tablighis who speak in Urdu. Those who cant speak Urdu (usually elderly) do Tabligh in Pashto but those who know Urdu even if its very weak, are encouraged to do tabligh in Urdu. Maulana Abdul Wahab even once issued an order that Tabligh must be compulsorily done in Urdu language but he had take it back after criticism. So out of habit, they switch to Urdu due to influence of Tabligh.
Is it a psychological game plan that tabligh are mostly done in Urdu? Or is it to ensure that everyone understands what is being said? Of course if it's the latter reason then it is flawed as not everyone has a strong command over the Urdu language, as you have mentioned. I just find it extremely annoying that whenever I meet a Pashtun from Pakistan especially the slightly "educated" ones they switch to Urdu when talking about religion. I have noticed this is in women as well.

I heard from my elders that a lot of Pashtuns in the olden days found it very hard to believe that someone who speaks Urdu or Punjabi was even Muslim. Lol.
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Is it a psychological game plan that tabligh are mostly done in Urdu? Or is it to ensure that everyone understands what is being said? Of course if it's the latter reason then it is flawed as not everyone has a strong command over the Urdu language, as you have mentioned.
I dont know. When you are doing Tabligh in months, you are stepping outside Pakhtunkhwa where your language of communication is Urdu, so may be thats why. Also regularly doing tabligh involves lot of tours to Lahore and Tariq Jamil, preaching in Urdu, is very popular among Pashtuns. This switching to Urdu thing you mentioned, is noticed only among some tablighis otherwise we talk in our own language in our villages when it comes to religion. Urdu is understood by almost every one but speaking it is different matter.



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I just find it extremely annoying that whenever I meet a Pashtun from Pakistan especially the slightly "educated" ones they switch to Urdu when talking about religion. I have noticed this is in women as well.
Its because you have grown up in UK. We are used to listening , hearing and reading Urdu content so its not annoying for us at all. My ears are used to hearing a Pashtun talking English in Pakistani/Pashtun accent....when recently i came across few Pashtuns from UK talking in thick British accent , i found it very weird and distracting. Their Pashto accent was normal but when they would say a sentence in English , the British accent would appear.

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I heard from my elders that a lot of Pashtuns in the olden days found it very hard to believe that someone who speaks Urdu or Punjabi was even Muslim. Lol.
That might be the case with Pashtuns of remote areas of Afghanistan but people of all the districts along river Indus were not this much ignorant about Punjab.
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I dont know. When you are doing Tabligh in months, you are stepping outside Pakhtunkhwa where your language of communication is Urdu, so may be thats why. Also regularly doing tabligh involves lot of tours to Lahore and Tariq Jamil, preaching in Urdu, is very popular among Pashtuns. This switching to Urdu thing you mentioned, is noticed only among some tablighis otherwise we talk in our own language in our villages when it comes to religion. Urdu is understood by almost every one but speaking it is different matter.



Its because you have grown up in UK. We are used to listening , hearing and reading Urdu content so its not annoying for us at all. My ears are used to hearing a Pashtun talking English in Pakistani/Pashtun accent....when recently i came across few Pashtuns from UK talking in thick British accent , i found it very weird and distracting. Their Pashto accent was normal but when they would say a sentence in English , the British accent would appear.

That might be the case with Pashtuns of remote areas of Afghanistan but people of all the districts along river Indus were not this much ignorant about Punjab.
Most of us Pashtuns who grew up in the west don't know Urdu so we often find it inconvenient when another Pashtun uses Urdu.


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Default 07-21-2017, 06:05 PM

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I've noticed the highly educated among Southern KPK(Kohat and beyond) Pashtuns tend to use a lot of Urdu to the point where they even speak Urdu with their kids. I don't have enough data on Marwats but judging from the people I have met online they tend to be proud Pashtuns.
I want to know:
A)Why does this happen?
B)Do people from Waziristan also do this?
C)What threat does this pose to the Pashto language and how can we stop this trend?
just look at some interviews with governement people on khyber watch you will find out 10 to 15 percent pashto the rest english and urdu.
there was this episode about prostitution in pashtun areas including villages and how women because of majbori are getting into it and men are involved in using them.
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