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Default 07-13-2017, 03:25 AM

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So you have reached to a big conclusion because some family in your aunt's city speak Urdu with their kids. I have also come across such a family from your Nowshera. Should i also declare that "whats up with Nowshera Pashtuns and Urdu?". I wont

About the usage of Urdu and English words in Pashto out of habit (even though they know the Pashto words for it), its more often done by people of Peshawar valley and i am saying this without any bias. Its because of increased literacy rate and urbanization of Peshawar valley , and more integration with Pakistan's mainstream than backward southern districts and FATA where relatively purer Pashto is spoken. If Pashto becomes a compulsory subject up to Matric, then there will more readers of Pashto books and more books in Pashto will be published (overall the book reading habit in all languages is in decline though).........books polishes your language

Now some families speaking Urdu with their kids, there are varieties of reasons for it. But i can assure you its urban thing and such families have usually spent time in big cities like Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore. If Wife is non-Pashtun or Pashtun grown up in Karachi or Lahore, then such cases also occur. I have also come across a family from Mardan , both of parents were Pashtuns yet they were trying to teach Urdu to their kids. Husband was doing job in Islamabad, they were living there, and that must be the reason. Another such family was from Akorra Khattak, Nowshera and they were teaching Urdu to their kids even though they were living in Peshawar city. Another case was the couple from Charsadda whose daughter was speaking English which was quite surprising. Why this abnormality exists in urban centers? , some study must be done. In my opinion it has some thing to do with "Kala Angraiz" mentality, inferiority complex, and detachment from Pashtun society. The ones in Western countries lose Pashto because they are detached from Pashto society and are absorbing influences from cultures of respective countries. The same happens to the scattered Pashtun families in non-Pashtun cities of Punjab and Sindh.
Bottle it up Ghilam Jam, you are exploding all your emotions about Pashtuns like this in every second post.......its unreadable
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Default 07-13-2017, 11:14 AM

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unfortunate that when you go back home you see your own tribespeople abundantly and proudly using terms that my Indian colleagues use all the time.
such as ?
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Default 07-13-2017, 02:05 PM

Some of you guys are being too extreme here. Most Pashtuns aren't self-loathing and they are proud of their heritage. Most of these impurities will quickly go away after a few years if we unite all Pakistani Pashtuns under one province and make Pashto an official languagethere. Also the use of "ji" especially is due to a cultural difference between KPK Pashtuns(esp Peshawar valley ones) and other Pashtuns and has been around for a long time. In general we are more "polite" than other pashtuns such as those of FATA, North Balochistan, and Afghanistan. If I don't use "ji" with my elders I'll be viewed as disrespectful. As for other terms such as "Bhai Jan" I personally use them as my most people in my family do but I'm not a big fan. As Pashtuns become more urbanized they're going to pick up some of the habits of urban people, our goal should be to make sure Pashto language is preserved for future generations.


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Yes, lets add the rotten ingredient to your favourite dish and wait for the magic.
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Yes, lets add the rotten ingredient to your favourite dish and wait for the magic.
Drink some water. You need to cool down.


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Drink some water. You need to cool down.
I'm not sure If you know Urdu, but:

Yeh larki jo he, zehni mareez he. Is se baat karna fazool he. Behtar ke iske saat baat hi na karna, kyun ke apka hi dimagh kharab ho ga.
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Some of you guys are being too extreme here. Most Pashtuns aren't self-loathing and they are proud of their heritage. Most of these impurities will quickly go away after a few years if we unite all Pakistani Pashtuns under one province and make Pashto an official languagethere. Also the use of "ji" especially is due to a cultural difference between KPK Pashtuns(esp Peshawar valley ones) and other Pashtuns and has been around for a long time. In general we are more "polite" than other pashtuns such as those of FATA, North Balochistan, and Afghanistan. If I don't use "ji" with my elders I'll be viewed as disrespectful. As for other terms such as "Bhai Jan" I personally use them as my most people in my family do but I'm not a big fan. As Pashtuns become more urbanized they're going to pick up some of the habits of urban people, our goal should be to make sure Pashto language is preserved for future generations.
The usage of "Ji " is due to our schooling , in schools we have to say "Ji Sir" when talking with teacher......its mark of educated people, illiterate dont say Ji. I use "Ji" and "Ji Sir" a lot when talking with superiors and seniors. At the same i also say "sha (kha) and "sha da". And i can assure you that ones from Quetta also say "Ji" and "Ji Sir" or "Yes Sir" ........
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when they start talking about religion they imedeately switch to Urdu... lol... I never understood that.
Thats due to Tabligh
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I'm not sure If you know Urdu, but:

Yeh larki jo he, zehni mareez he. Is se baat karna fazool he. Behtar ke iske saat baat hi na karna, kyun ke apka hi dimagh kharab ho ga.
I'm not fluent in Urdu but I can mostly understand it. I didn't get every word you said but I understood what you were saying overall.


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The usage of "Ji " is due to our schooling , in schools we have to say "Ji Sir" when talking with teacher......its mark of educated people, illiterate dont say Ji. I use "Ji" and "Ji Sir" a lot when talking with superiors and seniors. At the same i also say "sha (kha) and "sha da". And i can assure you that ones from Quetta also say "Ji" and "Ji Sir" or "Yes Sir" ........
I guess that betrays the ignorance I have due to growing up outside of Pakistan, although I don't think I've ever heard "Ji sir"(I usually say "Aw(ho) ji.) But the being more polite thing is definitely something I've noticed about KPK Pashtuns. مثلاً اپريديان مشر ته " "تاسو" نه وايي


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