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it has gotten considerably worse only in the past ten years, the god awful "kyun ke" for example was something id never heard until recently. Whats really sad is that a couple of families i know from peshawar whose kids grew up in the west speak better pashto than the average peshawari youth since their kids speak it like their parents did when growing up and haven't been influenced by pakistani culture or schooling.

and i think u made some typos about the religion thing i didnt get what you were saying
Sorry brother. It's hard typing on my phone.

I have found that a lot of people from Pakistan would speak to you normally in Pashto about general things, but when the conversation turns to religion they start speaking in Urdu and quoting things in Urdu. Just couldn't figure out why this is. I was wondering if this is some psychological thing.
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it has gotten considerably worse only in the past ten years, the god awful "kyun ke" for example was something id never heard until recently. Whats really sad is that a couple of families i know from peshawar whose kids grew up in the west speak better pashto than the average peshawari youth since their kids speak it like their parents did when growing up and haven't been influenced by pakistani culture or schooling.

and i think u made some typos about the religion thing i didnt get what you were saying
You'll find that along with style of speaking, clothing,also with Pashtuns families in the West would be more like the older generation as opposed to the new style of language and clothing we see nowadays. Pashtun society back home has become closer to Indian culture whereas the Pashtun culture that has been taught to kids growing up in the West especially of my generation (I'm almost 40) is that of what our parents had. So it is has less of an influence of Indian culture.

The kind of khat partoog, kerray, and headgear that I saw my dad wearing daily is hardly worn anymore back home. Fewer people wear kerray back home- they wear ugly cheap sandals. They wear multicoloured, fancy designed khat partoog you see in Indian shops here in the West. Their language is a mish mash of what it used to be. If I wear what I have seen my father and uncles wearing now, I will be looked at as "backwards", or a "badmaash".

Pashtun culture in Pakistan is a mere shadow of what it was 20 years ago when I used to visit, and I think it is on the decline. Unfortunately all cultures change over time, and generally when there is more than one culture going on, the societies which are economically less advanced will gravitate towards the more affluent ones.

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Default 03-04-2017, 01:29 PM

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I have found that a lot of people from Pakistan would speak to you normally in Pashto about general things, but when the conversation turns to religion they start speaking in Urdu and quoting things in Urdu. Just couldn't figure out why this is. I was wondering if this is some psychological thing.
Just a guess, but when I lived in Pak, Islamiat was in Urdu until class/grade 9. In grade 9 you typically had to decide between Matric/FSC or O/A Levels. If you do the former, it stays in Urdu (in fact, I've heard in KPK Islamiat is in Arabic), and if you do the latter, it's in English.

They probably just learned some parts in Urdu, and are quoting their class text they memorized by rote (i.e. ratta) for a test they gave last week.

P.S. English bois, yes, we call it O levels and A levels. I don't care that you call it GCSEs or whatever you call it... that's what we call it. It's a lot harder than yours, even though the same university marks it. From what I hear, Singapore has the toughest O level and A level curriculum and exams. STFU about GCSE, it's O levels and A levels.
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The influence of Urdu and English has always been there since incorporation into British empire , i was talking about some thing else........the morals, principles or conduct of Pashtuns is on decline even though they are more observant of religious rituals (prayers, fastings etc) than ever, while at the same time retaining their stereotypical negatives.....and they are absorbing additional vices and cultural influences from mainstream Pakistan with rapid "integration".....even the crimes which were unthinkable in Pashtun society and were rampant in Indian world, are committed by Pashtun with higher rates nowadays.

As highly proud Pakistani can not be a proud Pashtun....so a very highly proud Pakistani of Pashtun background is extremely criminal towards his/her mother tongue....counting numbers in Urdu is one thing but denying mother tongue to your progeny is some thing which doesnt make any sense to any sane human being......and yet i have come across numerous families which were not just trying their best that their kids doesnt behave like Pashtuns, they were also trying that their kids learn Urdu instead of Pashto.......as the Pashtun parents (both husband and wife) were not good in English so they were instead forcing their kids to learn Urdu. Its mostly the case with those Pashtun families who live in Islamabad, Karachi etc but can also be observed in KP (particularly Fauji families)

A Pashtun nationalist speak pure Pashto and has memorized Pashto couplets , is getting desified in another manner.......his politics tactics, his duplicity and his corruption methods are patterned on the lines of Indic society. He appears more of a **** because he talks big and shout Pashtun all the time but his conduct is pathetic (empty vassals make louder sounds).....Sarritob and musalmani is "Pashto" , not wearing red caps

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The influence of Urdu and English has always been there since incorporation into British empire , i was talking about some thing else........the morals, principles or conduct of Pashtuns is on decline even though they are more observant of religious rituals (prayers, fastings etc) than ever, while at the same time retaining their stereotypical negatives.....and they are absorbing additional vices and cultural influences from mainstream Pakistan with rapid "integration".....even the crimes which were unthinkable in Pashtun society and were rampant in Indian world, are committed by Pashtun with higher rates nowadays.

As highly proud Pakistani can not be a proud Pashtun....so a very highly proud Pakistani of Pashtun background is extremely criminal towards his/her mother tongue....counting numbers in Urdu is one thing but denying mother tongue to your progeny is some thing which doesnt make any sense to any sane human being......and yet i have come across numerous families which were not just trying their best that their kids doesnt behave like Pashtuns, they were also trying that their kids learn Urdu instead of Pashto.......as the Pashtun parents (both husband and wife) were not good in English so they were instead forcing their kids to learn Urdu. Its mostly the case with those Pashtun families who live in Islamabad, Karachi etc but can also be observed in KP (particularly Fauji families)

A Pashtun nationalist speak pure Pashto and has memorized Pashto couplets , is getting desified in another manner.......his politics tactics, his duplicity and his corruption methods are patterned on the lines of Indic society. He appears more of a **** because he talks big and shout Pashtun all the time but his conduct is pathetic (empty vassals make louder sounds).....Sarritob and musalmani is "Pashto" , not wearing red caps
you're right that the influence has been there for a while now for example i was watching that interview of hamza shinwari and he even says that he started out in urdu... but you must admit that it has gotten much worse and the process has been speeding up for the last 10 - 20 years.

one thing to note though (and you will have noticed this too) is that the narrative of pakistani pashtuns online is completely dominated by the ones who grew up in islamabad or lahore, karachi etc. since its much more likely that they would be on an online forum writing in english than some villager in dir... so the perception of how anti-pashtun most paki pathans are is actually skewed online since majority of them are from the eastern cities, many having never visited a kalay in their lives and speak more urdu throughout the day (if they even know pashto) so its no surprise then that online most paki pashtuns are all about pakistan as thats the only identity alot of them relate to
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North Balochistan, fata and Afghanistan are the strongholds of pashtun culture.
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The influence of Urdu and English has always been there since incorporation into British empire , i was talking about some thing else........the morals, principles or conduct of Pashtuns is on decline even though they are more observant of religious rituals (prayers, fastings etc) than ever, while at the same time retaining their stereotypical negatives.....and they are absorbing additional vices and cultural influences from mainstream Pakistan with rapid "integration".....even the crimes which were unthinkable in Pashtun society and were rampant in Indian world, are committed by Pashtun with higher rates nowadays.

As highly proud Pakistani can not be a proud Pashtun....so a very highly proud Pakistani of Pashtun background is extremely criminal towards his/her mother tongue....counting numbers in Urdu is one thing but denying mother tongue to your progeny is some thing which doesnt make any sense to any sane human being......and yet i have come across numerous families which were not just trying their best that their kids doesnt behave like Pashtuns, they were also trying that their kids learn Urdu instead of Pashto.......as the Pashtun parents (both husband and wife) were not good in English so they were instead forcing their kids to learn Urdu. Its mostly the case with those Pashtun families who live in Islamabad, Karachi etc but can also be observed in KP (particularly Fauji families)

A Pashtun nationalist speak pure Pashto and has memorized Pashto couplets , is getting desified in another manner.......his politics tactics, his duplicity and his corruption methods are patterned on the lines of Indic society. He appears more of a **** because he talks big and shout Pashtun all the time but his conduct is pathetic (empty vassals make louder sounds).....Sarritob and musalmani is "Pashto" , not wearing red caps
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Very interesting observation-lol even our corruption is Indic now! A very unfortunate change in mindsets. I think very few people realise to what level Pashtuns historically differ from the neighbouring populations. These lines as you correctly pointed out are a lot more blurred now and we are slowly becoming so Desi that in about 20 years you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a regular Indic and a regular Pashtun.

Growing up in the West, the first and best Pakhtun i knew was my father (Allah swt bless him) and it was only through him and his friends that I was exposed to anything Pashtun. Now I come to think of it more deeply I realise just how different him and his circles were from any other Indic/Pakistani I came across. Not only in physical attributes, language, accent, but even when it came to mindset, attitudes to life and conduct with the rest of the world. Younger people won't understand this and people who haven't grown up in the West certainly won't grasp this concept
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I would agree with you bro. We'll have to see about FATA though. LOL.
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The influence of Urdu and English has always been there since incorporation into British empire , i was talking about some thing else........the morals, principles or conduct of Pashtuns is on decline even though they are more observant of religious rituals (prayers, fastings etc) than ever, while at the same time retaining their stereotypical negatives.....and they are absorbing additional vices and cultural influences from mainstream Pakistan with rapid "integration".....even the crimes which were unthinkable in Pashtun society and were rampant in Indian world, are committed by Pashtun with higher rates nowadays.

As highly proud Pakistani can not be a proud Pashtun....so a very highly proud Pakistani of Pashtun background is extremely criminal towards his/her mother tongue....counting numbers in Urdu is one thing but denying mother tongue to your progeny is some thing which doesnt make any sense to any sane human being......and yet i have come across numerous families which were not just trying their best that their kids doesnt behave like Pashtuns, they were also trying that their kids learn Urdu instead of Pashto.......as the Pashtun parents (both husband and wife) were not good in English so they were instead forcing their kids to learn Urdu. Its mostly the case with those Pashtun families who live in Islamabad, Karachi etc but can also be observed in KP (particularly Fauji families)

A Pashtun nationalist speak pure Pashto and has memorized Pashto couplets , is getting desified in another manner.......his politics tactics, his duplicity and his corruption methods are patterned on the lines of Indic society. He appears more of a **** because he talks big and shout Pashtun all the time but his conduct is pathetic (empty vassals make louder sounds).....Sarritob and musalmani is "Pashto" , not wearing red caps

How strange. Pashtuns in Pashtun lands are struggling to be Desi yet Desis in Western countries will make any claim no matter how ludicrous to be classed as Pashtun.
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it has gotten considerably worse only in the past ten years, the god awful "kyun ke" for example was something id never heard until recently. Whats really sad is that a couple of families i know from peshawar whose kids grew up in the west speak better pashto than the average peshawari youth since their kids speak it like their parents did when growing up and haven't been influenced by pakistani culture or schooling.

and i think u made some typos about the religion thing i didnt get what you were saying
Wrora da naama de badala ka kha.. I can't stop laughing every time I see your posts-hahahahaha.

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