My brother if by thinking harder you mean critisizing and abusing my country and my people left and right then I'm sorry, let my arguments be childish . No nation is perfect It Needs To Be Made Perfect !! and if its own people are pessimistic specially the outsider (like karachi , toramana, and many others) exposing the weak points of their own to other then how can this state rise to the glory of success . They are digging a dark deep ditch for the progress of their own country .


Well , i know that everybody is repected here who disrespect Pakistan and Pakistani , I realised when some of our friends banned just bcoz of raising protest against the insult of Pakistan . May be you are right but I'm refer the first post of this thread , what was the thread starter fault and look what was the reply of the Honourable Karachi The great defender of Pakistan ??!!!


Do you think calling our Leader Quaid-e-azam a pork eater , calling us daalkhor, impure pashtuns, the british sellouts, calling our country porkistan IS A CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM then hundred hats off to this so called CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM .



Well my brother bcoz of this power no other Muslim states is comparable to us throughout the world . This is the thing that keeps our enemy in their Limitz .

Hope you don't mind my comment as you know I respect you ,,,,,

I never said that's what it means. Thinking harder means accepting criticism, that might appear emotionally like abuse, but you hear the other party out; case and point: Karachi. He is bringing forward an argument that all this blind-nationalism(case and point: you)has been detrimental to the society. Don't believe him? Take a look at Pakistan, and compare it to India. They are both known for IT. India is known for Information Technology, while Pakistan for International Terrorism. We know it's one of the main exports for both countries. Now I've personally seen Karachi speak up against nonsensical arguments, and I've also seen nationalists of your stature refuse to take any criticism against the Holy state, since her glossy image might be dented in the e-world, as if the nation isn't synonymous with terror.

Exposing the weakness is the only way to fix it. Remember, Norway, Sweden, built it's infrastructure by competitiveness and criticism sprinkled with leadership and debates.

False dichotomy. That's a blatant lie.

I've never said such things, and I see none of that in this thread on hand, so you are resorting to a load of fallacies here and keep emotions out of it, focus on the thread. Also, even if someone thinks your Jinnah is an X, for ABC reasons, he isn't a holy figure. He can be criticized, and exposed.

You just prove my point. I'll show you:
" No other Muslim states is comparable to us throughout the world"
This attitude is why Pakistan is so backwards, and I'm glad you said it. I don't have enough time to expose the stupidity in such a statement, but do you remember the foundations of the so-called Islamic Pakistan? It was Muslim brotherhood, unity. Now all of a sudden you are superior? No one is comparable? Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, I mean seriously? A load of Pakistanis are dying every day, you have the most violent and extremist form of policies ever seen and you know what? Power is what people are still chasing for? I agree no one is comparable to the insane conditions of the Pakistani society. Conditions such that you wake up, and bam a bomb blast has your legs spinning. Stop with this false-pride. Chest-thumping won't fix the problems of the commoner, and painting a gloomy image with YouTube videos won't change its perception. Identify the root causes, and work on eradicating it rather than lying to yourself how you are a superpower. One day you will reflect back, and realize what I meant. This is a phase, and I can assure Karachi is the last person who wishes bad for Pakistan. He, like others, are tired of people that prevent criticism on a failed society like Pakistan. Clearly your love hasn't helped much, time to criticize and identify room for improvement. This will take years, but it's do-able. The first way to begin fixing Pakistan, is to admit that she has failed. Pakistan is a failed state, repeat after me, failure. People are suffering, dying, and economic conditions are worse now. Your argument of showing a few girls who did this, or how the fraud Agha Waqar made a car run on water(he already got exposed for his outrageous lie) is equivalent to me showing you how Afghanistan is so successful since we have Professors in Yale, or students at MIT, or doctors who graduated from Harvard Med. As you can see, the aforementioned does nothing for society. Afghanistan is also a failed state, that needs to re-think it's priorities.

I encourage discussions. No love lost.

Caveat:
I might not have time to respond any further, I have research to do. I hope you read what I wrote carefully, I have nothing against Pakistan or Afghanistan, rest assured.