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Default democracy: best system ever or an utter failure? - 11-10-2017, 08:47 AM

Whats your stance on democracy?


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Default 11-10-2017, 09:37 AM

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I oppose it. The fundamental principle of Islam is sovereignty rests with God, including legislative sovereignty. I've never cast a ballot in my life and never will
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Default 11-10-2017, 12:55 PM

How can a stupid persons vote be the same as that of a wise person?
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Default 11-10-2017, 02:03 PM

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I oppose it. The fundamental principle of Islam is sovereignty rests with God, including legislative sovereignty. I've never cast a ballot in my life and never will
I was expecting some non-religious opinions, dude.


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How can a stupid persons vote be the same as that of a wise person?
I think the main problem with democracy is that we are always being told how great it is. People downplay or reject all the dark side of democracy which are moral relativism, buffon-populist politicians, majority of people are s tupid and emotional, equality doesn't exist, highly dysfunctional, puts the interest of the individuals over the the collective interests,.. and since elections take place every four to five years, that means governments will always pursuit the short-term politics/measures.

When people say the West has gone 100% secular I laugh. They do have a God: its called democracy. Dont dare to say something negative about it or you will get stoned to death lol


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Default 11-10-2017, 02:51 PM

Its flawed af because when there is a system where the majority have all the authority the minority is ****ed and will most likely also be opressed. Not to forget that with democracy there isnt really much individual liberties
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Its flawed af because when there is a system where the majority have all the authority the minority is ****ed and will most likely also be opressed. Not to forget that with democracy there isnt really much individual liberties
Thats because slaves now are owned by the state not by other individuals. The Western world lives in bureaucratic dictatorship where the state milks the people since they are born after they are death to sustain an unsustainable system. Democracy is no different than other totalitarian ideologies basically because it promotes also "social atomism".

I dont agree regarding the minority part. There is something called the rule of law which protects the rights of everyone, minority included. The rule of the majority can not be above the principle of legality.


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Default 11-10-2017, 03:19 PM

It's better than any current models of theocracy ...but doesn't mean it's great.


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Default 11-10-2017, 07:19 PM

Iím for grassroots democracy not the democracy in the US or Europe where you choose your Fuhrer.
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Default 11-10-2017, 07:24 PM

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Its flawed af because when there is a system where the majority have all the authority the minority is ****ed and will most likely also be opressed. Not to forget that with democracy there isnt really much individual liberties
Agreed, comrade.
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