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Default 11-18-2017, 08:22 PM

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So what? Drifting haram? Bacha baazi Halal?
There we go.

Your true colours have shown through now.

Under all that religious “sunnah this and sunnah that” and incessant ranting religious posts we can all now see that you are in fact the same as all your other brethren. No amount of outwards “Islamic” zeal will hide it like it never does for the rest of your kind. I had you sussed from the beginning mate.
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Strictly speaking, the Amir is not "required" to consult. He is only encouraged to do so. Any consultative body will never have executive authority in an Islamic state, only the function of making recommendations to the executive.
Then why have a shura in the first place.
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Then why have a shura in the first place.
Because it is beneficial to consult and listen to the recommendations. Allah has praised those who conduct their affairs through mutual consultation.

So Shoora is Mustahhab but not Waajib.

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Casting a ballot means you are responsible if your candidate is elected. Then you share a degree of responsibility for what he does once in power. Since I reject the system in principle, how can I hypocritically participate in it?

You are participating in it. If your paying taxes, how that money is used without you casting a ballot and speaking up for it and just giving it to people to do what they wish, then you are solely responsible for their actions becasue you gave them permission.
But youre probably a welfare recipient who lies to the gov(people) on welfare application and robs their charity.

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Unless there is a candidate who is openly saying that if given power he will do nothing but serve the will of God, I don't see any scenario in which voting for anyone else is "moral" from my religious perspective.
Most politicians only preach the "good word" but dont practice the "good word." the reason that they get away with it is because of ignorant people like you refuse to vote and give them that power by refusing to vote.

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In my particular situation of being a Canadian citizen, I can definitely not vote for any of the existing political parties or candidates. Similarly, in most other countries the situation is the same, you cannot vote for any party or candidate unless he is pledging to purely implement Islam and do nothing else.

But in order to even be a candidate in today's so-called democratic systems you have to first accept the constitution and the legitimacy of the system. I do not see a single constitution in the whole world which is Islamic except for the constitution of Saudi Arabia - the Holy Quraan.
The Saudi kings are the walking, talking Quran?

I dont see anything wrong with the US constitution especially the bill of rights. nothing unislamic about it unless you can point it out to me.

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Default 11-18-2017, 10:53 PM

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So what? Drifting haram? Bacha baazi Halal?
You keep changing goal posts...and it's hilarious that you think no one notices. lol. Your point was about Westerners culturally influencing the Saudis, which you claimed the Wahhabis kept away. Which is pure nonsense. Dirfting is indulgent, wasteful and decadent behavior. Not only is it pointless and a waste of resources, which you we agree is problematic about Western society, it creates unnecessary dangers for everyone.

Being that you think beardless men are imitating women, perhaps you have an itch for Bacha Bazi, perhaps you have a latent desire to be the bacha.


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Democracy is overrated. The disgusting way democracy politicians behave, lying, selling their core values for the sake of votes,.. they remind of clowns. Not even in dictatorships politicians behave in such ways.

And Shuras are not democratic institutions, but consultation councils. It might have some democratic traits but in general it has nothing to do with democracy.
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Because it is beneficial to consult and listen to the recommendations. Allah has praised those who conduct their affairs through mutual consultation.

So Shoora is Mustahhab but not Waajib.
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You are participating in it. If your paying taxes, how that money is used without you casting a ballot and speaking up for it and just giving it to people to do what they wish, then you are solely responsible for their actions becasue you gave them permission.
But youre probably a welfare recipient who lies to the gov(people) on welfare application and robs their charity.
I'm "probably" a welfare recipient? On what basis do you make such a false assumption?

Yes I pay taxes, but that's not something I do of my own volition, unlike casting a ballot. You can only be responsible for what you do of your own volition, not what you are coerced to do.

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Most politicians only preach the "good word" but dont practice the "good word." the reason that they get away with it is because of ignorant people like you refuse to vote and give them that power by refusing to vote.
Majority of people who can vote do so in democratic societies. Yet the politicians still don't "practice the good word". There goes your theory that if people vote more the politicians will be straightened out. The truth is, majority of the people are corrupt, and democracy will only reflect that corruption. People like me who want Islamic governance are in a tiny minority, our votes will never make a difference, especially since the system itself is un-Islamic.

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The Saudi kings are the walking, talking Quran?
I never said that.

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I dont see anything wrong with the US constitution especially the bill of rights. nothing unislamic about it unless you can point it out to me
That's because you are simply uneducated about Islamic teachings and principles. Read the first section of the first Article of the US constitution: "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States", this is in direct violation of the important Islamic principle of Tawhid "All legislative Powers are the prerogative of God Himself - He is the Law Giver"

As Allah says

إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ
Verily, the Hukm (legislation, command, judgment) is for none but Allah

مَا لَهُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلَا يُشْرِكُ فِي حُكْمِهِ أَحَدًا
and He makes none to share in His Judgment and His Rule

The Quran condemns people like you who who seek judgment from the Taghout (Sura 4:60)
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What's the source that it is Waajib?
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Default 11-19-2017, 01:55 PM

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Yes I pay taxes, but that's not something I do of my own volition, unlike casting a ballot. You can only be responsible for what you do of your own volition, not what you are coerced to do.

No one's coercing you to stay in Canada...lol


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