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You are the phoniest wannabe "Muslim" I have ever seen. Stop trying so damn hard to seem pious. At the end of the day you're Indic and probably got probed by an Indic Mullah.
No need to get personal sir. If I said Afghan culture includes "Bacha Bazi" it was an objective statement. So no need to take that statement personally because you are an Afghan. In order to mitigate the affect of a statement that has potential to stir of ethnic emotions on a Pashtun forum, I intentionally mentioned a controversy about my own "Indic" heritage in order to remove any doubt that my statement, no matter how objectively true, was made in the spirit of putting down another ethnic group.
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Of course there are shameful aspects of many different cultures. I mentioned previously the culture of tolerating the Heejray (Khusra / Shemales / Cross dressers) is in Pakistan because it was inherited from Hindu culture which is very sexually perverse and tolerant of all sorts of perversions.

That doesn't mean Afghan culture is spotless either. I'm sure we all know about the cultural problem of "Bacha Bazi" in Afghan culture.

The truth is every culture has negative aspects. Every aspect of a culture should be weighed on the balance of Islam, and based on Islam either accepted or rejected.
Don't be stupid!
When something is a part of culture, it is condoned and encouraged. In my culture, the penalty of Pedophilia is death. Jirga doesn't matter in this case.
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Don't be stupid!
When something is a part of culture, it is condoned and encouraged. In my culture, the penalty of Pedophilia is death. Jirga doesn't matter in this case.
Which culture is that?

I guess you never read the Kite Runner
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Which culture is that?

I guess you never read the Kite Runner
everything else aside the kite runner is garbage
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everything else aside the kite runner is garbage

Nah, it's a great book (and film too)
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No need to get personal sir. If I said Afghan culture includes "Bacha Bazi" it was an objective statement. So no need to take that statement personally because you are an Afghan. In order to mitigate the affect of a statement that has potential to stir of ethnic emotions on a Pashtun forum, I intentionally mentioned a controversy about my own "Indic" heritage in order to remove any doubt that my statement, no matter how objectively true, was made in the spirit of putting down another ethnic group.
The avarage Afghan wouldn't encourage Bacha Bazi. For something to be part of a culture, most people have to agree it's part of the culture or encourage/accept it, or have no problem it happening. The reality is Afghans look down on those individuals who do participate in this behavior. I wouldn't call this ''culture''. Culture is something agreed upon by majority of the people belonging to/identifying with said culture.
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No need to get personal sir. If I said Afghan culture includes "Bacha Bazi" it was an objective statement. So no need to take that statement personally because you are an Afghan. In order to mitigate the affect of a statement that has potential to stir of ethnic emotions on a Pashtun forum, I intentionally mentioned a controversy about my own "Indic" heritage in order to remove any doubt that my statement, no matter how objectively true, was made in the spirit of putting down another ethnic group.
Not getting personal at all, I'm just reminding you that Indics have a tendency to exhibit phony piety which makes them fundamentally very suspicious.

Your reasoning is absurd also, because that's like saying the fact crime exists in a society, that crime is apart of the culture. Something can't be "apart" of the culture unless it has cultural sanction, something that's a crime doesn't have sanction.


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Nah, it's a great book (and film too)
Because you want so desperately to believe it's authentic


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The avarage Afghan wouldn't encourage Bacha Bazi. For something to be part of a culture, most people have to agree it's part of the culture or encourage/accept it, or have no problem it happening. The reality is Afghans look down on those individuals who do participate in this behavior. I wouldn't call this ''culture''. Culture is something agreed upon by majority of the people belonging to/identifying with said culture.
Perhaps your statement is true at present, but historically not so. Historically “bacha bazi” was not viewed as that big of a deal by Afghans. Hence it is part of your cultural heritage, similar to certain practices in India like “Sati”. A lot of cultural practices become criminalized over time due to increasingly globalization, that is, globalization of cultural standards. For example, marriage is illegal in Pakistan for males before age 18 and for females before age 16. As time goes on, this will become normalized, but at present, especially in the rural areas, people still arrange marriages for teenagers younger than 18 and 16, because it is part of the culture, which a few laws in the books cannot so easily make vanish.
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Default 10-29-2017, 06:40 PM

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Perhaps your statement is true at present, but historically not so. Historically “bacha bazi” was not viewed as that big of a deal by Afghans. Hence it is part of your cultural heritage, similar to certain practices in India like “Sati”. A lot of cultural practices become criminalized over time due to increasingly globalization, that is, globalization of cultural standards. For example, marriage is illegal in Pakistan for males before age 18 and for females before age 16. As time goes on, this will become normalized, but at present, especially in the rural areas, people still arrange marriages for teenagers younger than 18 and 16, because it is part of the culture, which a few laws in the books cannot so easily make vanish.
Indics and Afghans have very different cultures. You guys marry dogs, cows, snakes, whatever else. Marriages are arranged before birth. You really shouldn't compare Afghan and Indic cultures. There are not much similarity. So what applies to cultures in Indic subcontinent, doesn't apply to cultures elsewhere.

How do you know that ''historically it was not considered big deal''?

cultures in this region haven't changed drastically if you look at a bigger frame. So if people considered it no big deal before, it would probably be the norm by now, rather than something considered shameful/disgusting by the general public.

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