Who Sao I am defending him?? You are ridiculing Islam just as much as he is if not more. And no, I don't want to know what you mean.

Well, you always come to every non-Muslim and every non-Pashtun here's defence so by picking on me out of all present here, you are defending him who I am arguing with. But well played, bringing the Prophet into my "love" life.

Weren't you once a baredheaded girl?
Surely you must have taken pictures with a male, living in Canada.

What I meant was I had a relationship with this woman back in the 2009.

Religion is universal not eastern or western. If Christianity is between man and God(super natural entity or concepts like Nirvana) the same is oriental religions like Hinduism, Buddhism etc. All religions are basically originated in the East but now present every where. So there is no special connotation of religion in the West.
I don't know any Islam which completely guides its followers in all aspects of life. Can you quote any period of time where this complete code of life was implemented at all levels including political levels. Except the first few years where Arab traditions were mixed with religion and we have the period of the so called pious caliphs. Even majority of these caliphs were killed by their fellow Muslims and for the power game even grand sons of the prophets were brutally killed.

Whatever you quote from Quran about family matters, social affairs or few political guidelines , all these are just moral injunctions and not at all complete family, social, legal or political codes. Do Muslims have a single codified law like penal codes, criminal codes, civil codes, constitutions, international law or political/economic theories like capitalism, communism, socialism, social contract etc. Not a single one.

Yes I agree Islam has complete guidance in all religious matters like beliefs, worship and ethics. If you read Quran more than 95% its about beleifs, modes of worship and morality and few injunctions with moral under pinning in the fields of politics, economics, society or law.

Personally I dont believe in any hadith which is not according to Quran, reason or any religious aspect of life. All hadiths about politics, economics, law etc are fabricated and manipulation of Ummayads, Abbasids etc to prolong their political despotic rule. People like Imam Abu Hanifa never joined government circles and always separated religion from politics. This secularism will save today's Islam too.

there were religions all over the world. they did not just originate in the east.

The lord send forth messengers scattered through all corners of the world. some they mock, some they slay, they all warned of the last day.

Yes I agree but I meant the twelve classical world religions Baha',Buddhism,Christianity,Confucianism,Hinduism, Islam,Jainism,Judaism,
Shinto,Sikhism,Taoism and Zoroastrianism. All these were originated in the East.

However there are mythologies like Mayas, Guarani etc which may also be called as religion which were originated in the West.

so, all the other religions you classify as mythologies. isn't that elitist and supremacist, osho?
do you consider these 'others' too 'primitive' to have a 'religion'?

I don't have any problem to call a mythology a religion or a religion a mythology. What I differentiated was Classical religions and others which are not popularly called religions. Following is the list of western religions/mythologies I got from


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tions#American

which can be called religion or mythology as you wish.

American

• Abenaki mythology
• Anishinaabe
• Aztec mythology
• Blackfoot mythology
• Cherokee mythology
• Chickasaw mythology
• Choctaw mythology
• Creek mythology
• Crow mythology
• Ghost Dance
• Guarani mythology
• Haida mythology
• Ho-Chunk mythology (aka: Winnebago)
• Hopi mythology
• Inca mythology
• Indian Shaker Church
• Inuit mythology
• Iroquois mythology
• Keetoowah Nighthawk Society
• Kuksu
• Kwakiutl mythology
• Lakota mythology
• Leni Lenape mythology
• Longhouse religion
• Mapuche mythology
• Maya mythology
• Midewiwin
• Miwok
• Native American Church
• Navajo mythology
• Nootka mythology
• Ohlone mythology
• Olmec mythology
• Pomo mythology
• Pawnee mythology
• Salish mythology
• Selk'nam religion
• Seneca mythology
• Southeastern Ceremonial Complex
• Sun Dance
• Tsimshian mythology
• Urarina
• Ute mythology
• Wyandot religion
• Zuni mythologyEuropean
• Asatru
• Estonian mythology
• Eskimo religion
• Finnish mythology and Finnish paganism
• Marla faith
• Odinism
• Hungarian folk religion
• Sami religion (including the Noaidi)
• Tadibya
• Wotanism

What is the problem with music and arts ? Why do You see it as bad?
Music can be as good as bad, it depends on the kind of it. What bad did You find in music?


By the way, "FRIEND", are you the EmKhan of one??? Really?

Osho, it seems that you're making a rhetorical argument rather than an evidential one. You're only making a statement about which you claim is fact, but it lacks any evidence in support of it.If Islam was merely a doctrine of personal morality or spiritual practices; Islam would not have a penal code. Having a penal code implies Law.

Also Muhammad(saw) and the Khulafa did in fact oversee political dealings, had administrators that regulated prices at the markets, and organized representatives who regulated over social affairs and politics. They even sent Governors to other places in the Islamic World to oversee the affairs of those region, in politics, society and economics. This implies a Government existed under auspice of a theocratic leadership, all of this is well documented in the historical record.Your central argument in respects to the historical record was that it was a forgery by later groups to serve their agendas on the account that it contradicts the Qur'an. However there is nothing in the Qur'an contradicts the idea of a theocracy nor is there any evidence that the historical record served any groups agendas. Furthermore there is a lack of evidence that forgeries which demonstrated theocratic practices actually occurred. This is a separate issue from other types of forgeries. However those forgeries are actually MORE secular in nature than theocratic.

In summary; Even if we suppose your statement is true that the Qur'an only deals with personal morality and spiritual practices; the evidence from History shows the Presence of Theocratic Institutions i.e. Shari'ah firmly in place from Muhammad(saw)'s time onwards So the existence of Shari'ah in Islam is real, the debate now is which interpretation of Shari'ah should we follow.

Tho those who thank Osho's posts, Pashtanajan, Bharati, Lewanay Zalmay and the like. if you agree with Osho's narrative; then how do you explain this overwhelming evidence which would have been impossible to forge from so ma many independent sources and records which prove the contrary? Osho, I'd be happy to hear your response; but please if you do respond, please do not merely repeat and recycle your narrative and claims and expect them to be taken as fact on face value. provide evidence in support of your argument.