Hi Tor Gul,

I didn't quite understand your rebuttal. Do you really think USA went to Afghanistan to wipe out the "terrorists"? Remind you, University of Nebraska were printing out their pamphlets which directly encouraged extremism, and USA considered the Mujahedeen to be the equivalent of our "founding fathers", along with NASA dedicating a launch to them -- so clearly that's not the case, nor is it for humanitarian reasons, considering that most of the nation here in the US is in poverty, to an extent where seeing couples sleep in the streets is no longer surprising. With that being said, Africa needs more help than a nation like Afghanistan who is sitting on a trillion dollar worth of natural resources. So clearly, it happens to be strategic reasons, since a strong military presence in Afghanistan does wonders for the US foreign policy; it keeps the Banana republic of Pakistan in check, and the so-called "rogue" state Iran on their tippy toes. Japan provides strategic interests on a different scale, but if you look at the world map -- for any empire to succeed they have to have Afghanistan as their "ally", given how it's a breakthrough region with many regional powers hungry for power. I also know your wise enough to know that not a single Afghan was involved in 9/11, and the Taliban clearly demanded for evidence, something we felt insulted by since how dare a rag-tag insurgency ask us, the mighty Americans, for evidence! In short, the US is not nuts for spending a trillion dollars, if Japan or Germany already served their interests.

About the military hardware, could you elaborate? Are you implying that what he told me is not true?

Cowards.

I'm saying the USA didn't need to stay 10+ year to deal w/ Al Qaida terrorists. Nor do they need to be there for China's "benefit." Neither Iran nor Pakistan have the muscle to for the USA to NEED to have a large ground presence. The presence is primarily about business. LOTS of politicians & their freinds in industry are making money from our troops being there. ALL w/o accomplishing anything truly useful for the USA.
That trillion dollars worth of mineral resources is the the real reason we're still there and still buying freinds in Afghan politics. none of the other stated objectives really matter. If we really cared about humanitarian matters, why didn't we stop the Rwandan genocide, or bomb india/thailand for their child sex slavery? Let me make clear, I do not believe there is some huge conspiracy. What i do believe, is that the accumulated actions of industry & politicians looking out for their own bank accounts far outweighs any altruistic propaganda that may be forward as reasons for being there.
And yes he lied about the military hardware or he believed that nonsense when someone else told him. It will absolutely be somewhat inferior to what we ourselves use so that if we have to face it in battle we'll win. But putting selfdestruct devices or programs in it would cause unintended failures that would result in losing that business. There are enough failures in the "best" made products, let alone trying to put in an undetectable, undeactivatable self destruct device or program.

I am well aware the 9/11 terrorists were MOSTLY Saudi Arabs and that Afghanan were busy w/ their own problems.

Since when did the Afghan women become so independent in making such decisions and embarking on such journeys by their own? The media is giving a hype to a rare case that might have been happened - may be once.

the whole policy of trying to create a legitimate afghan government from western afghans was flawed from the beginning. Think about it. The vast majority will have no loyalty to a country that they know they wont have any future in or thier children future in. Most of those people will make as much money as possible and then leave when they are rich and fat and live comfortable lives in the west. It is the most logical thing to do.

The only people that are going to care about afghanistans future are the local people themselves because they know their future depends on it. There are no womens rights in afghanistan today. you have rights if you can bribe your way to having rights. A murderer has the right to go free if he can bribe his way out of it. That is how rights are distributed in afghanistan today.

Well put. There are some Afghans in the west, and the only thing Afghan about them is their last name.

Lol, I don't mean sound to arrogant, but a Morrocon is the last person to lecture an Afghan on dignity, or self-respect. Let's just say Moroccon night-life is very popular and preferred here in the west. Remember what they say, clean up your own house before you judge others.

exactly, I don't hate moroccans but Moroccans should decolonize themselves from French culture then tell us what to do.

The Moroccons that I've met remind me of African-Americans. They have commonalities. Let's see, they are completely stripped of their identity, culture, history(because of French colonization)and prefer to speak French over Arabic. Again, I hate to say this, and I have deep respect for innocent Moroccons but please fix your house before you judge a nation that has taught every aggressor a lesson they have never forgotten. The same people that ruled Morocco, were trying to find out ways to leave due to the fierce resistance of Afghans.

Anyways, when I say fix your house, this is what I mean.
http://www.magharebia.com/cocoon/awi.../28/feature-01

Of course Afghanistan has problems, but let's hear it from someone else, not a Moroccon. National dignity and Morocco are oxymorons. Do some research on Afghanistan, and you'll find out what dignity, loyalty and respect means.

Its amazing how we have so many foreign experts on afghanistan.