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Default 08-16-2015, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Badlun View Post
It means the people of Iraq and Afghanistan defeated USA because USA allows painting and these 2 nations do not because they are Muslims and painting of living objects is shirk in Islam? Good logic. Painting made US the sole super power and no painting made Iraq and Afghanistan , the most backward and killers of each other not only of others.

No, you have it backwards. What happens, to the contrary is that loons like you invite invaders in which stunts the progression of society and causes those that prefer to not be under your boot to take refuge in literalist ideas that have galvanized successful insurrections in generations past.

In that essay I linked to what you see is the famed historian Glubbs mapping out traits of empires. These thinks like arts and culinary arts are the mark of a society that has wealth AFTER the empire trajectory takes hold.

In many of these industrious nations the originator colony (e.g. Plymouth Rock of the US or the Brits of William the Conquerer) function on an efficient model that demands growth, necessary work that provides infrastructure, and expansionism without great attention to ethics or what it means to take the lands of others.

Once they get rich they get time and money and resources to worry about these side endeavors and potentially aggregate them into the economy. This in turn, as Glubbs writes about vividly often leads to inefficiency at some point and the Red Sun phase of empires which results in the eventual decline since greater attention is paid to entertainment value versus true productivity.

So the opposite pattern actually occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq: Badlun types celebrated when their handlers invaded ---> The people took refuge in groups that are often the van-guard of resistance or represent some indigenous movement to repel invasion. Little attention is paid to infrastructure since the nation state is attempting to survive the foreign onslaught---> Arts/treasures/musics become secondary to survivalism and war ----> Societal progression is stunted and radicalism enjoys fecundity.

Where in the US the model was:

Kernal nation state was somewhat radical in Plymouth Rock and Salem --> nation developed schools/townships colonization --->Badlun types were thrown out in 1776 ---> nation continued to build and arts and literature continued to grown under relative stability ----> Civil War period resulted in the South having a backwards progression of the latter ---> Post Civil War and unification of the US and development led to stability and the US rose in the post industrial period as the most powerful engine that was the "last man standing" after devastating WWII ----> Ventures abroad continued ----> At home a rich nation began to develop discussions about race/equality/feminism etc ---> And now we are entering Glubb's phases of the empire discussion.

So the best option is to basically ensure Badlun has minimal input in guiding Western interaction with the East since Badlun views involve trying to mold and model society based on some strange occurrences in his youth that he is still upset about and wants to take revenge for.

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