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Badlun
06-20-2010, 07:30 PM
Part II

Breaking the myths attached to the bilateral relations between Pashtuns and Punjabis

This is a very common perception that Punjabis and Pashtuns both are ethnic groups or races and thus there is an ethnic tension between Pashtuns and Punjabis. And that Punjabis being Punjabis, a distinct ethnic group exploit Pashtuns. This is just a myth and must be broken keeping in view the realities of the situation and not political demagogy and hate statements. The purpose is not to define ethnicities or races etc but to create awareness that the relationship between Punjabis and Pashtuns is not racial or ethnic but have political underpinnings.

Pashtuns is Pashtun everywhere and for example a Pashtun who lives in Balochistan is not a Baloch but only a Pashtun but living in Punjab the same Pashtun is a Punjabi Pashtun because the race or ethnicity Baloch is not based on region or language but Punjabi like Sindhi is only based on region and language . We must differentiate between the ethnic connotation between Punjabis and Sindhis in Pakistan on one hand and Balochs and Pashtuns on another hand. Pashtun is Pashtun wherever he or she lives or whatever language he or she speaks. Punjabi is the one who lives in the Punjab region and who may speak the language Punjabi. Ayub khan the former president of Pakistan who did not speak Pashto like king Zahir Shah was a Tareen Pashtun. Nawaz Sharif from the region of Kashmir was Kashmiri but also Punjabi as living in the region of Punjab. I donít deny the existence of Punjabis being a distinct group but I stress its base on language and region or society and not on ethnicity or race.

As discussed in Part I Punjabi is not at all a race or one ethnicity and that Punjabis derive their name from a geographical, historical, and cultural region located in the northwest of the Indian sub-continent. Punjab comes from the Persian words panj (five) and ab (river) and means "Land of the Five Rivers." It was the name used for the lands to the east of the Indus River that are drained by its five tributaries (the Jhelum, Chenab, Ravi, Beas, and Sutlej).

Whatever is found in the region of Punjab is Punjabi. Punjabi Culture is the culture of the Punjab region. . This is the name for all those who live in the area of Punjab now divided between Pakistan and India. Punjabis belong to many races and ethnic groups. The most common castes, races or ethnic groups found in Punjabis can be described as follows.

Punjabi society is divided into two divisions, the zamindar groups or qoums, traditionally associated with farming and the moeens, who are traditionally artisans. Zamindars are further divided into qoums that claim pre-Islamic ancestry such as the Rajput, Jat, Shaikhs or (Muslim Khatri), Kambohs, Gujjars, Dogars and Rahmani (Muslim Labana). Zamindar groups claiming Central Asian or Middle Eastern ancestry include the Gakhars, Khattar, Awan, Mughal and Arain, comprising the main tribes in the north of the province, while Khagga, Bodla, Jhandir, Daudpota, Gardezi, Syed and Quraishi are found in the south, all of whom claim Arabancestry. Immigrants from neighbouring regions, such as the Kashmiri, Pashtun and Baluch ,also form important element in the Punjabi population. Pashtun tribes like the Niazis and the Khakwanis, are integrated into Punjabi village life. Especially the members of the Niazitribe, who see themselves as Punjabis first. They have big communities in Mianwali, Bakkar, Lahore, Faisalabad, Sahiwal and Toba Tek Singh. Major Moeen groups include the Lohar, Khateek, Rawal, Chhimba Darzi, Teli, Julaha, Mallaah, Mirasi and Muslim Shaikhs, who are associated with a particular crafts or occupation. One can see above that even Balochs and Pashtuns have been described as Punjabis

Punjabis can be described as an ethnic group or a multi-ethnical group of people but not one ethnicity or one race originated from one racial stock like Pashtuns or Balochs. They are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group from South Asia. They originate from the Punjab region The Punjabi identity is primarily cultural and linguistic, with Punjabis being those whose first language is Punjabi, an Indo-European and Indo-Scythian tongue. In recent times, however, the definition has been broadened to include also emigrants of Punjabi descent who maintain Punjabi cultural traditions, even when they no longer speak the language.

Even some Afghans or Pashtuns are Punjabis after the settlement of many Pashtuns in Punjab after the invasions of Khiljis, Lodhis, Suris and of Ahmad Shah Baba. The Punjab was a cultural reservoir for the Afghans, and many where attracted to its lush fertile lands, a process that continues to this very day. It has been said that with the loss of the breadbasket regions of the Punjab and Sindh, Afghanistan has never been able to achieve a stable state ever since. Many ethnic Afghan or Pashtun tribes continue to live in Pakistan's Punjab province such as the Khugyanis known as Khakwanis, Alizais, Tareens, Durranis, Mullazais, Niazis, Khattaks, Lodhis, Kakars, Kakazais, and Barakzais to name a few. The Punjabi people are a heterogeneous group and can be subdivided into a number of ethnic clan groups in Pakistan called qaums while they adhere to caste identities in India, each having their own subtle differences. In terms of ancestry, the majority of Punjabis share many similar genes with other northern Indianpopulations, but also show a significant relationship with west Eurasian groups.


Ranjit Singh and other Sikh rulers when they fought with Pashtuns had a religious colour noth ethnic or a fight between Punjabis and Pashtuns. Syed Ahmad Brelvi and Syed Ismail etc who fought against Sikhs were not Pashtuns. That was a war between Muslims and Sikhs and not at all between Pashtuns and Punjabis. If it was a war between Pashtuns and Punjabis then why the Muslim Punjabis did not fight with Pashtuns.


The tension between the provinces of Punjab and Khyber Pashtunkhwah, Sindh and Balochistan in Pakistan is a different story. There might be injustice and exploitation on the part of one province and another in Pakistan but this is not all a racial or ethnic tension. Punjab being almost 45% of Pakistan may have an exploitative image but this happens between all kinds of majorities and minorities. Minorities always feel suppressed, oppressed and exploited by the majority. Some times there is a truth in this feeling and some times itís only a phobia or imaginative perception of the minorities. If Pashtuns feel exploited by Punjab then they must have democratic struggle for achieving their rights and privileges as they have provincial parliament as well as representation in National Assembly and Senate of Pakistan. The exploitation in Pakistan thus may be taken as an economic or political or provincial issue and not a Punjabi-Pashtun issue. Pashtuns can be the exploiters of Pashtuns and Punjabis can exploit Punjabis not necessarily all Punjabis are the exploiters of Pashtuns.

No doubt Punjabis are more developed than Pashtuns in many areas but this is not the crime of Punjabis. This is because of their hard work, education, democracy management, business oriented approach and non involvement in evils of religious extremism, obscurantism, fundamentalism and terrorism. The southern Punjab have some presence of terrorists and religious extremists and thatís why its more backward and underdeveloped as compared to the Northern Punjab.

Every Pashtun nationalist politician starts his or her speech with attacking Punjab and Punjabis as exploiters of Pashtuns and the ones who grab Pashtun resources like water, electricity, forest and others. I ask these politicians that why they let Punjabis to do so if they really do so. Why Pashtuns donít take their own resources in their own hands. Why Pashtuns donít have better human resources to exploit their natural and financial resources. Why we blame others specially Punjabis for their misfortunes and backwardness. Why they donít chalk out such strategies to make Pashtuns a developed people. This is all but these politiciansí tactics and demagogy to befool their own Pashtuns by passing the balls to the court of Punjabis. This deception game is played by Pashtun politicians since the first day of the inception of Pakistan. Pashtuns are now aware and cant be befooled any more by these demagogues.

The main purpose of this write up is to make the Pashtuns aware that they may not be further exploited by those who raise the slogans that Punjabis oppress Pashtuns. No body can oppress you if you are strong enough. The same Pashtuns ruled the whole India for centuries and are now ruling Afghanistan. Where were Punjabis to stop Pashtuns not to rule and not to be a great nation of that time? Why now Pashtuns became so weak that Punjabis who except few years of Sikhs never had any rule in the world now stop Pashtuns from development and progress. This blame game must be stopped now. Pashtuns are exploited by their own politicians and not by Punjabis. If Pashtuns determine to be a strong nation or people in Pakistan then no one including Punjabis can deter them to not be so.

I am not at all doing any propaganda on behest of any vested powers. I am a proud Pashtun. My only purpose is to tell Pashtuns to get up and build their own destiny by their own efforts and donít blame others for being downtrodden or dilapidated. I speak for Pashtuns not for Punjabis. I want to break these myths that others as Punjabis or Tajiks exploit Pashtuns (On Pashtuns-Tajiks another myth I am writing a separate article).

My main purpose here is not to define who is a race and ethnic group and who is not. This is an anthropological discussion and can be carried out some where else. What I wanted to say was that Punjabis is not at all as one race or ethnicity or ethnic group as Pashtuns are. Their name is based on a region and language while Pashtuns have different parameters for being one ethnicity or people or race or nation. Punjabis are not at all one nation. They are more Pakistanis than Punjabis in political terms. There is not a single political party on the name of Punjabi nationalism. Their only fault is that they are 45% of the Pakistani population and thus other minorities look down upon them. Pashtuns should benefit from the democracy in Pakistan and may ask for their rights by democratic means and not by blame games and hatred campaigns.

Some information has been taken from the following sites
Punjabis - Introduction, Location, Language, Folklore, Religion, Major holidays, Rites of passage, Relationships, Living conditions (http://www.everyculture.com/wc/Norway-to-Russia/Punjabis.html)
Punjabi people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_people)

Admin Khan
06-20-2010, 07:34 PM
This was a very pleasant read, However, I wonder what are your thoughts on those people who call themselves "Punjabi Pashtuns"

Badlun
06-21-2010, 12:48 AM
This was a very pleasant read, However, I wonder what are your thoughts on those people who call themselves "Punjabi Pashtuns"

I have referred to this above that Pashtuns can be Punjabis if they live in the region of Punjab because Punjab is the name of a region an dPunjabis are those who dwell there who may be Pashtuns or any one else. Nyazis are the famous Punjabi Pashtuns. Names of some more Pashtun Punjabi tribes have been given above in the article.

Actually Punjabis are like Sindhis whose names are based on geography not on ethnicity or races like Balochs or Pashtuns. A Punjabi living for years in Afghanistan cant become Pashtun but a Pashtun living in Punjab for days become Punjabi by living and Pashtun by ethnicity.

Nadir Shah
06-21-2010, 01:45 AM
A more uninformed, petty and inaccurate try at analysing the Pashtun/Punjabi or the ethnic dynamic in Pakistan has not passed my sight. Specially despicable is the argument 'Why do we let the Punjabis steal our resources?'. Osho brother, You are increasingly playing on my nerves now. The myth of you 'Breaking the myth of Punjabi oppression' has been debunked before elsewhere. Do you remember?
Please do not write the Tajik-Pashtun article. I beg of you.

Toramana
06-21-2010, 02:41 AM
I find the articles by Osho about Punjabi-Pashtun contradiction, the most ludicrous, unformed as Nadir Shah has aptly pointed to, and devoid of all reason. No ethnologist on the face of earth would accept his line of argument about Punjabis. Below is wikipedia article about Punjabis, which says Punjabi identity is based on unique cultural traditions and language.

The Punjabi people (Punjabi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_language):ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ,پنجابی also Panjabi people) are an Indo-Aryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryans) ethnic group from South Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia). They originate from the Punjab region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_region), which has been host to some of the oldest civilizations in the world including one of the world's first and oldest civilizations, the Indus Valley Civilization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization). The Punjabi identity is primarily cultural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural) and linguistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_language), with Punjabis being those whose first language is Punjabi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_language), an Indo-European (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_languages) and Indo-Scythian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythian) tongue. In recent times, however, the definition has been broadened to include also emigrants of Punjabi descent who maintain Punjabi cultural traditions, even when they no longer speak the language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_people)

Nadir Shah
06-21-2010, 05:12 AM
No doubt Punjabis are more developed than Pashtuns in many areas but this is not the crime of Punjabis. This is because of their hard work, education, democracy management, business oriented approach and non involvement in evils of religious extremism, obscurantism, fundamentalism and terrorism. The southern Punjab have some presence of terrorists and religious extremists and thatís why its more backward and underdeveloped as compared to the Northern Punjab.



This is probably the worst kind of Punjabi apologetic statement I have encountered in my life. Osho brother you have a hell of a lot of explaining to do.

Badlun
06-21-2010, 12:46 PM
So you consider Pashtuns to be a race? Do you honestly feel like we are blood related?

Racially, Pashtun people are classified as Caucasians: from Mediterranean race with Nordic mixture

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+af0037)

However Conceptions of race and racial classifications are often controversial for scientific as well as social and political reasons. The controversy ultimately revolves around whether or not the socially constructed and perpetuated beliefs regarding race are biologically warranted, and the degree to which differences in ability and achievement are a product of inherited correlates of racially clustered phenotypes.
Race (classification of human beings) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings))

Personally I dont claim that Pashtuns are 100% one race but are racially more solid as compared to Punjabis or Sindhis in Pakistan whose identity is merely on regional and linguistic or cultural bases but not at all on racial or ethnic bases. Some Pashtuns have mixed with neighboring groups or new migrants that settled in their region. Marriages of Pashtuns with non Pashtuns have also diluted the racial purity of Pashtuns but this is not a very big factor in the ethnic composition of Pashtuns who are comparatively still more pure racially than Punjabis. The name of Pashtuns is not based on area but it is a sepaarte racial identity.

The Pashtuns are the world's largest (patriarchal) segmentary lineage ethnic group. The ethno-linguistic definition is the most prominent and accepted view as to who is and is not a Pashtun.Generally, this most common view holds that Pashtuns are defined within the parameters of having mainly eastern Iranian ethnic origins, sharing a common language, culture and history, living in relatively close geographic proximity to each other, and acknowledging each other as kinsmen.


The patrilineal definition is based on an important orthodox law of Pashtunwali which mainly requires that only those who have a Pashtun father are Pashtun. This law has maintained the tradition of exclusively patriarchal tribal lineage. This definition places less emphasis on what language one speaks, such as Pashto, Persian, Urdu or English. For example, the Pathans in India have lost both the language and presumably many of the ways of their putative ancestors, but trace their fathers' ethnic heritage to the Pashtun tribes.

Pashtun people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people#cite_note-Translation_Center:_Pashto-79)

Badlun
06-21-2010, 12:52 PM
A more uninformed, petty and inaccurate try at analysing the Pashtun/Punjabi or the ethnic dynamic in Pakistan has not passed my sight. Specially despicable is the argument 'Why do we let the Punjabis steal our resources?'. Osho brother, You are increasingly playing on my nerves now. The myth of you 'Breaking the myth of Punjabi oppression' has been debunked before elsewhere. Do you remember?
Please do not write the Tajik-Pashtun article. I beg of you.

Many new things can pass your sight wrora. Please correct me and inform me where I am inaccurate and uninformed. Dont take it on your nerves. I know talking against established myths is not easy and to accept that its just a myth is more difficult.

Whatever you had debunked has been replied in this Part II. If any thing is remaining please poit it out and I ll be here to argue, to share and to learn. These emotional statements are of no use.

And dont beg me not to write but if you disagree then give your position. How come you can ask some one not to write. Are you so much afraid of breaking the myths. You want that Pashtun politicians and intellectuals may be allowed to continue blaming Punjabis and Tajiks for the problems of Pashtuns and they meanwhile enjoy their life and avoid their reeal responsability to reform, educate and develop Pashtuns. Come out of these refugee status of dream world that let others blame and do nothing to rectify your ownself.

However I want to clarify that my main purpose here is to awake Pashtuns not to be deceived any more by these blame games and ,my purpose is not to define who is a race , who is an ethnic group and who is not.

Badlun
06-21-2010, 12:58 PM
I find the articles by Osho about Punjabi-Pashtun contradiction, the most ludicrous, unformed as Nadir Shah has aptly pointed to, and devoid of all reason. No ethnologist on the face of earth would accept his line of argument about Punjabis. Below is wikipedia article about Punjabis, which says Punjabi identity is based on unique cultural traditions and language.

The Punjabi people (Punjabi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_language):ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ,پنجابی also Panjabi people) are an Indo-Aryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryans) ethnic group from South Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia). They originate from the Punjab region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_region), which has been host to some of the oldest civilizations in the world including one of the world's first and oldest civilizations, the Indus Valley Civilization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization). The Punjabi identity is primarily cultural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural) and linguistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_language), with Punjabis being those whose first language is Punjabi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_language), an Indo-European (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_languages) and Indo-Scythian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythian) tongue. In recent times, however, the definition has been broadened to include also emigrants of Punjabi descent who maintain Punjabi cultural traditions, even when they no longer speak the language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_people)

I have nowhere said that this Wikipedia article on Punjabis is incorrect rather I have quoted the same in my article. I dont say that Punjabis dont exist but I say that there identity is more regionnal, linguistic and cultural and not more ethnic or racial as compared to Pashtuns or Balochs. I want to explain that Punjabis being a a distinct group is not at all againt Pashtuns as another group of people but if Pashtuns suffer in Pakistan its because of their own weakness not at all because of Punjabis. If Punjabis exploit them then again why they let themselves to be exploited. Why Pashtuns are not strong enough to ask for their rights by democratic means in a democratic Pakistan.

Badlun
06-21-2010, 01:02 PM
This is probably the worst kind of Punjabi apologetic statement I have encountered in my life. Osho brother you have a hell of a lot of explaining to do.

This is not at all a apologetic statement but breaking a myth. Do you think that Punjabis are developed becaus eof some other reason and not because of their hard work, education, democracy management, business oriented approach and non involvement in evils of religious extremism, obscurantism, fundamentalism and terrorism. Give me another explanation please if I am wrong.

BLS_1919v2.0
06-21-2010, 08:04 PM
Osho if your argument about Panjabi was correct then Haryanna and Himachal Pradesh in India would not have panjabi and panjabis as major part of their demographic. Second of all, every nation's name/title is rooted in something or somewhere. So if Panjabi comes from 5 rivers, than Pashtun/Afghan is probably rooted in another word pertaining to their geography or history. This is common sense and using that argument is weak. So a panjabi community that does not live near the geographic proximity ceases to be Punjabi? Panjab was split in India into two more provinces, should those panjabis stop identifying with their language and identity? I am sorry this is not cogent.

Now in terms of why do Pashtuns let them, reminds me a statement about rape. What you said is equivalent of someone blaming a victim of rape. i.e. why did she let them rape her? Or its her fault for dressing so loose? No one can take that seriously. Ok even say we take that argument, that doesn't mean that Panjab or pakistan become our allies. You just proved quite the opposite. If they are taking something that is not theirs and they are justified, then we should be cognizant of the fact that we can't ally our interests with theirs. You can't protect your home and at the same time befriend the thief.

Badlun
06-21-2010, 09:46 PM
Osho if your argument about Panjabi was correct then Haryanna and Himachal Pradesh in India would not have panjabi and panjabis as major part of their demographic. Second of all, every nation's name/title is rooted in something or somewhere. So if Panjabi comes from 5 rivers, than Pashtun/Afghan is probably rooted in another word pertaining to their geography or history. This is common sense and using that argument is weak. So a panjabi community that does not live near the geographic proximity ceases to be Punjabi? Panjab was split in India into two more provinces, should those panjabis stop identifying with their language and identity? I am sorry this is not cogent.

Now in terms of why do Pashtuns let them, reminds me a statement about rape. What you said is equivalent of someone blaming a victim of rape. i.e. why did she let them rape her? Or its her fault for dressing so loose? No one can take that seriously. Ok even say we take that argument, that doesn't mean that Panjab or pakistan become our allies. You just proved quite the opposite. If they are taking something that is not theirs and they are justified, then we should be cognizant of the fact that we can't ally our interests with theirs. You can't protect your home and at the same time befriend the thief.^

About the identity of Pnjabis as a separate group, my only point was that they are not that much solid as Pashtuns or Balochs are. This I have discussed above. About the approach to solve the problems of Pashtuns, I am writing a detailed article but briefly I ll repeat myself that I believe in making the house stronger enough so that the hypothetical thief (Punjabi, Tajiks, ISI, NATO, USA etc) may not dare to rob you. I never said that thief should be befriended. But we may not always blame the hypothetical thieves instead of making our own selves stronger.

BLS_1919v2.0
06-22-2010, 01:17 AM
^

About the identity of Pnjabis as a separate group, my only point was that they are not that much solid as Pashtuns or Balochs are. This I have discussed above. About the approach to solve the problems of Pashtuns, I am writing a detailed article but briefly I ll repeat myself that I believe in making the house stronger enough so that the hypothetical thief (Punjabi, Tajiks, ISI, NATO, USA etc) may not dare to rob you. I never said that thief should be befriended. But we may not always blame the hypothetical thieves instead of making our own selves stronger.

That maybe so Osho but you didn't elaborate on that identity part. Clearly it is there. Yes we should make our houses stronger, but in intl politics, you need to be aware of your allies and enemies. How are you going to make your house stronger if you can't differentiate between friends and foes? That is like blindly crossing a river.

Nadir Shah
06-23-2010, 08:21 AM
This is not at all a apologetic statement but breaking a myth. Do you think that Punjabis are developed becaus eof some other reason and not because of their hard work, education, democracy management, business oriented approach and non involvement in evils of religious extremism, obscurantism, fundamentalism and terrorism. Give me another explanation please if I am wrong.

Malghariya, I consider it to be redundant to discuss this with you again, as I have seen you try to pull this 'Breaking Myths of Pashtuns v Punjabis' elsewhere and I remember you failing to support any of your views. But just so that we are clear:

1 Define : 'Hard Work', 'Education', 'Democracy Management' and 'Business Oriented Approach'.
2 Please tell us how these Punjabis have these virtues more than Pashtuns?
3 If they do have these virtues, What is the reason for that? Are Punjabies born hard workers, educated, democratically managed and in a business oriented way?
4 What are the reasons that Pashtuns lack these traits, If they really do?
5 How are terrorism and related phenomena intrinsic to the Pashtuns?

Badlun
06-25-2010, 11:04 PM
Malghariya, I consider it to be redundant to discuss this with you again, as I have seen you try to pull this 'Breaking Myths of Pashtuns v Punjabis' elsewhere and I remember you failing to support any of your views. But just so that we are clear:

1 Define : 'Hard Work', 'Education', 'Democracy Management' and 'Business Oriented Approach'.
2 Please tell us how these Punjabis have these virtues more than Pashtuns?
3 If they do have these virtues, What is the reason for that? Are Punjabies born hard workers, educated, democratically managed and in a business oriented way?
4 What are the reasons that Pashtuns lack these traits, If they really do?
5 How are terrorism and related phenomena intrinsic to the Pashtuns?

I dont think the definitions of these terms are controversial or hard to find by any one. Just google it.
I never said that Punjabis have these virtue smore than Pashtuns but what I said that Punjabis are nor better than Pashtuns because they exploit Pashtuns but because they have these qualities. Pashtuns do have these qualities but they are stuck in blame games, ignorance and extremism and terrorism. Punjabis have acquired these qualities they may not be necessarily born with these qualities. About your point no 5 very soon I am writing a complete article.

erlangner
06-26-2010, 12:55 AM
I dont think the definitions of these terms are controversial or hard to find by any one. Just google it.
I never said that Punjabis have these virtue smore than Pashtuns but what I said that Punjabis are nor better than Pashtuns because they exploit Pashtuns but because they have these qualities. Pashtuns do have these qualities but they are stuck in blame games, ignorance and extremism and terrorism. Punjabis have acquired these qualities they may not be necessarily born with these qualities. About your point no 5 very soon I am writing a complete article.


Dear Osho,
Ok I appreciate your efforts. But why you expect that all people or ethnicities should act or react as Punjabis doing. Then you mentioned, pashtuns are involved in blame game however not much exploited and they have provincial assembly and they can get rights by their national assemly representation. My brother, either you dont know the Pakistan and its national assembly or you dont want to know.
Why northern Punjab is developed, my brother? my brother do you think, it is just hard work and Punajbis talent.
You must be natural in writting although difficult to be.
You say blame game? If there are facts and figures, and we are facing a cunning counterpart, then what we can do? Just look at the division of resources. You must know the facts and figures.
Then why pashtuns are involved in religious extremism, and do you think, southern Punjab is first extermist and then backward, or first backward then exteremist?
It is not that easy just to say.
State of Pakistan, where Punjab is the decision maker is much involved in the problems, and you cannot just passed by.

Mianwali
05-21-2011, 03:13 PM
I've been on some of these Pukhtun based forums and most of them are typing from either UK or USA and in some case Canada. Now they come across some friend whose origins are from Afghan or Pak but have lived in these foreign lands all their lives and still hlaf of them don't know who they are or what their culture is except for and a cheap attempt by referring the basic COPY/PASTE/CUT form WIKIPEDIA. Mind you all those areas Pashtun dominated like Swabi, Swat, Mianwaliand even Attock were inhabited by you Punjabis that you hate so much. We stole their lands RIGHT---THAT MAKES US SUPER HUMAN RACE. But if the other way around then its wrong.

OSHO has a valid point you people have too much time on your hands and need to get creative and active instead of cribbing over spilled milk and pas glory.
My point is, those who are living abroad for so long, they are bound to adopt the local culture of their abode. Am i right. And then how do you make one race superior to other?? I dare you idiots to ask an average person about all that you discuss and I bet you a gizzillion $ that 90 percent personally don't care. A person in Punjab will have the same though in his mind as person in KhANDARHAR,

Whats going to happen at .
What grades are my kids getting.
Should I save for kids education or a new house
and
Whats for dinner?