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MDresden
05-09-2011, 02:59 AM
Afghan security forces on Sunday killed a few insurgents who had barricaded themselves inside a hotel in the southern city of Kandahar, ending a two-day battle that left more than two dozen militants dead, officials said.

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/08/interior-ministry-fighting-resumes-kandahar/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/08/interior-ministry-fighting-resumes-kandahar/?test=latestnews)

MDresden
05-09-2011, 03:00 AM
--from link above:

In the two days of fighting, 25 insurgents and two members of the Afghan security forces were dead. Another 40 people were wounded. Of the dead attackers, nine had detonated their suicide vests. Security forces captured another four, Bashary added

MDresden
05-09-2011, 03:01 AM
-- last excerpt from link above

Nearly all the insurgents killed so far had escaped late last month from Kandahar city's main Sarposa prison, Bashary said. More than 480 militants escaped through a 300-meter long tunnel that took five months to dig.

The Taliban claimed more than 100 fighters took part in the Kandahar attack and said their goal was to take control of the city.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 05:21 AM
I really don't understand the rationale of some of their operation of this type and scale. Were they seriously thinking to capture the city with 30, 40, 60, or even 100 men and with limited ammunitation and weapons? What was the aim then? Just wreack havoc, but with loss of that many men, for what? Or is is this more for political reason? If this was not for political reason and fighting out of pure devotion then surely they could have made use of these men much more efficiently. Hypocrites, all are - both sides.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 05:25 AM
One think must be clear: neither is the U.S. there fighting against terror and nor are Taliban what they say they are. While both have mercilessly killed and maimmed Pashtuns.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 06:43 AM
While saying what I did, however, is it not the insurgency and how resilient and braoder that it is, not U.S's own making through its sheer stupidity and arrogance? Should they not have had a strategic foreseight of a political solution in 2003. But I guess they thought they owned everything.

And on top of that, I wont go in to too much details, the U.S. has blatantly tried its collective punishments on us Pashtuns, be through its military tactics, to politically and even who did not notice the mass media anti-Pashtun campaign. I guess some has to resist them.

Pashtun_Ultranationalist
05-09-2011, 06:59 AM
Pakistan is just trying to cause havoc in Kandahar to put the attention there.

I guess the snow of Kabul isnt much important to them.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 07:29 AM
Fvck Pakistan there are enough internal reasons for what is happening. I know all about Pakistan and its intention.

Pashtun_Ultranationalist
05-09-2011, 08:03 AM
Fvck Pakistan there are enough internal reasons for what is happening. I know all about Pakistan and its intention.

Comrade Vrora, most of these internal reasons occur due to Pakistans openess to Militants who are not a danger to their interests.

When Bin Laden died, there were protests in Quetta over his killing, its common-sense, these protestors associated with JUI were Talibs or Suspected Taliban fighters. Its very much obvious.

I think quite differently, Americans soft approach towards dealing with Taliban must hold onto a agenda, maybe they are allowing Anti-Shia elements of Taliban to hold sway, so if Iran war comes into place, America could re-use the Afghan model once more?

Evern during my stay in DI Khan, one can see openly Pak Police units salute Talib units, all over the Markets. Even I met with big commanders such as Baz Mohammad, and they all seemed to be strongly Pro-Pak.

An insider once told me, that there are 2000 talibs under the command of one Pak general in DI Khan alone, I dont have much info about the guys in Tank but Pakistan army has a lot of influence in the Taliban.

Do not worry, I hold onto my socialist beliefs strongly, I know the double role America plays, we can witness this in Libya, where former gitmo inmates are leading a Pro American Rebel group.

I am not easily misled or misguided, but in the case of Pakistan, it would be a valuable decision to use the same Americas to irritate the Pakistanis.

However, the case of Kandahar, Pakistan must play some role in this, as Kandahar and Quetta are very much connected areas, and with the killing of Bin laden, I suspect Pakistan is trying to give "Problems" to Americans there by motivating Taliban to attack them.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 08:23 AM
Yes but a solution still lays in Afghanistan to a much extend too. I don't agree with notion that Taliban should submit to U.S. supremacy in absolute term or Karzai. I am against Taliban being defeated. I hope they are never. I cannot trust U.S. and I don't have too much hope from Karzai. Taliban after all for me are still Pashtuns.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 08:25 AM
I know Pakistan has a role, but Talibs are not fighting for Pakistan, definately not.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 08:26 AM
U.S. and Pakis are on the same side, unless I clearly see them being not, so don't hold on to false hopes.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 08:30 AM
There are enough pissed of Pashtuns in Kandahar and they are warriors.

gadoonwal
05-09-2011, 08:39 AM
an army of using ,,mascaras and lipsticks,,can ,nt fight to defend their country.
The world should stop the flow of dollars to this carrupt govt of afghanistan.With billions of dollars they can not even build a strong force to defend its country.
Like pakistan afghanistan is failed state.
.
Wait till the WEST leaves afghanistan.It will take only few days for pakistan to invade afghanistan from the south and east while iran will take the southwestren part of the country throu its agents such as ismail khan and khalili etc.
India will use dostum and punjsheris to keep its control over the north.

The pashtuns and afghans are money hungry.They will sell their country to anyone offer good price.Their history is written.
The pashtuns used by mugals against pashtuns for money and trible interests.The Sikh did the samething, when the peshawar valley pashtuns were fighting against the Sikhs the durani azam khan did,nt cross the river to help his fellow pashtuns cus he was sold out.
BROTHER kill brother for power and money,son trun against his father for money and power(like bahram turned against khoshal baba for mugals).
Grandfather like bacha khan baba spend most of his life in jail for his people but today his own family serving the punjabi masters for money.
The same punjabis called their grandpa ,,ghadar,,.
The entire pashtun leadership is punjabi boot licker.Even the pashtun leaders of afghanistan pledge their loyality to ,,isi,, and punjab for power.


bya hum mung pukhtana tahsia dozai walo aw gata khabarai kawoo.
zamong na kho da siri lanka tamil hindwan naran dey.

Pashtun_Ultranationalist
05-09-2011, 08:40 AM
Yes but a solution still lays in Afghanistan to a much extend too. I don't agree with notion that Taliban should submit to U.S. supremacy in absolute term or Karzai. I am against Taliban being defeated. I hope they are never. I cannot trust U.S. and I don't have too much hope from Karzai. Taliban after all for me are still Pashtuns.


With due respect comrade vrora, Taliban are not all Pashtuns, they oppose Pakhtunwali, their agenda is Islamic Supremacy and a cause for a global Khalifate, with us being poor mountain people, how are we going to sustain this campaign of conquering the world under the banner of al Islam(Not all Muslims).

Obviously such ideas, are going to be backed by Far right Clerical Arabs in the Middle east, and our region will once again been dragged into their evil clutches.

Always remmeber this, who were the Taliban, if they cared for the Pashtun people, they would have never allowed COl Imam to base himself in Herat, they would have never allowed Babar and his Western buddies from developing the Pipeline to Turkmenistan, and the Taliban were have never allowed Anti Indian, Punjabi Militant groups from operating on Pashtun soil, well Taliban allowed all of the above.

It has become a trend now a days to see Marxists/Socialists/Anti-War activists from aligning themselves with Far Right Religonist Parties, ignoring the fact that these same Far Right Clerics such as the JUI would toast a Socialist for Dinner or oppose thier views with a mightly curse.

Taliban need to be eradicated, and this can occur once Pakistan is subjected to a intolarated amount of pain and pressure, that is why educating the American people.

Comrada! Just imgine if America didnt attack, or bin laden was handed over, do you think Taliban would have not attended the Pakistan Military parades, or visit plush hotels and villas in Rawalpindi for Dinner or to celebrate Eid?

The American Invasion is a blessing, it exposed Pakistan and the Taliban alliance, it has given Pakistan a bad name, and it has helped those opposed to Pakistans imperialism with an insight to their sinister role for the last few decades.

As I said before, Americans have no cultural ties to the land, they will eventually leave, but I hope they do leave with a crumbled Pakistan.

How are we going to unite when the Taliban themselves are fighting eachother and have no organised agenda,

Plus, your patrioticism is going the wrong direction vrora, just because Taliban are Pashtuns does not mean we should support them, just because there are big drug dealers in Karachi who happen to be Pashtuns, does not mean we should support Drug dealers, as you said, your right, both sides are just as bad as eachother, but I sense a better advantage with the Americans and Nato than Taliban.

Pashtun_Ultranationalist
05-09-2011, 08:42 AM
I know Pakistan has a role, but Talibs are not fighting for Pakistan, definately not.

They are fighting for Pakistan's Interests. You dont need to wave the Paksitan flag in battle to be fighting for them, your more smarter than this. Secondly, Why did the Afghan Taliban begged Hakeemullah Mahsud not to execute their Spiritual founder Col Imam? ? ?

Why did Imran Khan recently meet Haqqanis young son in Peshawer? Why is the Afghan Taliban given a free hand in Pakistan.

Its not rocket science vrora.

gadoonwal
05-09-2011, 08:52 AM
With due respect comrade vrora, Taliban are not all Pashtuns, they oppose Pakhtunwali, their agenda is Islamic Supremacy and a cause for a global Khalifate, with us being poor mountain people, how are we going to sustain this campaign of conquering the world under the banner of al Islam(Not all Muslims).

Obviously such ideas, are going to be backed by Far right Clerical Arabs in the Middle east, and our region will once again been dragged into their evil clutches.

Always remmeber this, who were the Taliban, if they cared for the Pashtun people, they would have never allowed COl Imam to base himself in Herat, they would have never allowed Babar and his Western buddies from developing the Pipeline to Turkmenistan, and the Taliban were have never allowed Anti Indian, Punjabi Militant groups from operating on Pashtun soil, well Taliban allowed all of the above.

It has become a trend now a days to see Marxists/Socialists/Anti-War activists from aligning themselves with Far Right Religonist Parties, ignoring the fact that these same Far Right Clerics such as the JUI would toast a Socialist for Dinner or oppose thier views with a mightly curse.

Taliban need to be eradicated, and this can occur once Pakistan is subjected to a intolarated amount of pain and pressure, that is why educating the American people.

Comrada! Just imgine if America didnt attack, or bin laden was handed over, do you think Taliban would have not attended the Pakistan Military parades, or visit plush hotels and villas in Rawalpindi for Dinner or to celebrate Eid?

The American Invasion is a blessing, it exposed Pakistan and the Taliban alliance, it has given Pakistan a bad name, and it has helped those opposed to Pakistans imperialism with an insight to their sinister role for the last few decades.

As I said before, Americans have no cultural ties to the land, they will eventually leave, but I hope they do leave with a crumbled Pakistan.

How are we going to unite when the Taliban themselves are fighting eachother and have no organised agenda,

Plus, your patrioticism is going the wrong direction vrora, just because Taliban are Pashtuns does not mean we should support them, just because there are big drug dealers in Karachi who happen to be Pashtuns, does not mean we should support Drug dealers, as you said, your right, both sides are just as bad as eachother, but I sense a better advantage with the Americans and Nato than Taliban.
like punjsheirs are iranain and indian agents,the same way the talibs are backed by pakis to make its westren border safe.
Now where are your pashtun leaders and people to defend their land?
The so called pashtun nationalists are milking superpowers for money and not for pashtun unity or interests.
Lets stop this slogans and face the truth.
We pashtuns on both side of durandline are the slaves of punjabis and persains.

Pashtun_Ultranationalist
05-09-2011, 09:00 AM
like punjsheirs are iranain and indian agents,the same way the talibs are backed by pakis to make its westren border safe.
Now where are your pashtun leaders and people to defend their land?
The so called pashtun nationalists are milking superpowers for money and not for pashtun unity or interests.
Lets stop this slogans and face the truth.
We pashtuns on both side of durandline are the slaves of punjabis and persains.

100 percent agree with you vrora

Da Pashtun Nationalists Pa Pakhtunkhwa shay deer bigharatun dee!

That is the best slogan for them roara jan.

Asfandyar, recently stated in defence of Pakistan that Lashkar e tayba is in Waziristan not Punjab, he lied to the world just to defend Punjab Pakistan, everybody knows even your average Pakistani that LET is in Punjab, Asfandyar did not even mention about Pakistan ISI releasing Hafiz Saeed and other well known terrrorist. That is real double dealing kwaneetub on his behalf.

Za kho poyam, mu ta pata doo, che da nan Nationalists pa ISI rupay shay Lambeezee(bathing). They are sell-outs, cowards and double faced people, they sit singing songs and writing poetry while our homes are burning down and our people are mislead.

The Arab world did not need a revolution, it is our people who require one, and hopefully a bloody one, there is nothing like war and fighting that will unite the Pashtun people against one enemy.

Its time to bring down the sons of Ranjeet Singh/Mughal Akbar Khan/Arab sheiks.

Lar or bar Pukhtun!

gadoonwal
05-09-2011, 09:18 AM
100 percent agree with you vrora

Da Pashtun Nationalists Pa Pakhtunkhwa shay deer bigharatun dee!

That is the best slogan for them roara jan.

Asfandyar, recently stated in defence of Pakistan that Lashkar e tayba is in Waziristan not Punjab, he lied to the world just to defend Punjab Pakistan, everybody knows even your average Pakistani that LET is in Punjab, Asfandyar did not even mention about Pakistan ISI releasing Hafiz Saeed and other well known terrrorist. That is real double dealing kwaneetub on his behalf.

Za kho poyam, mu ta pata doo, che da nan Nationalists pa ISI rupay shay Lambeezee(bathing). They are sell-outs, cowards and double faced people, they sit singing songs and writing poetry while our homes are burning down and our people are mislead.

The Arab world did not need a revolution, it is our people who require one, and hopefully a bloody one, there is nothing like war and fighting that will unite the Pashtun people against one enemy.

Its time to bring down the sons of Ranjeet Singh/Mughal Akbar Khan/Arab sheiks.

Lar or bar Pukhtun!
wror jana ,inqelab thoda weena gwari.zama pa nazar da pakhtanu weena sara aw speena shawi dah.dwi yaw bal ta zmaryaan dey aw da akhpal dushman lapara da khpal wror sut gusa wey.kala kala pekar kawoom da pakhtun yaw ,,khalis ,,qaam nashi kaiday zaka chi da dwi termneza da domra feshar aw beitefaqi walai dah.
taasu wagoray karzai sa wakral?
asfandyar ta kho wos khalaq ,,punjabyar,,wy.
da haga khalaq dey chi aghyaaro zaan ta nawkaran saatali dey.kala hum chi pakhtun da khpal yaw waali lapara ,,ghag,,porta kawol gwari dwi paki da ,,ghandi,,,da aman falsafa ramenz ta key chi pakhtun ghali/chup pati shey.

gadoonwal
05-09-2011, 09:27 AM
It IS GREAT NEWS THAT PAKISTAN EXPOSED AFTER ABOT ABAD OPERATION.
The father of pakistan (british govt) sill wants to support pakistan .
They exposed too.It was ,,cia+ISI,,drama ended to win obama election.Thats all.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 03:57 PM
With due respect comrade vrora, Taliban are not all Pashtuns, they oppose Pakhtunwali, their agenda is Islamic Supremacy and a cause for a global Khalifate, with us being poor mountain people, how are we going to sustain this campaign of conquering the world under the banner of al Islam(Not all Muslims).

Obviously such ideas, are going to be backed by Far right Clerical Arabs in the Middle east, and our region will once again been dragged into their evil clutches.

Always remmeber this, who were the Taliban, if they cared for the Pashtun people, they would have never allowed COl Imam to base himself in Herat, they would have never allowed Babar and his Western buddies from developing the Pipeline to Turkmenistan, and the Taliban were have never allowed Anti Indian, Punjabi Militant groups from operating on Pashtun soil, well Taliban allowed all of the above.

It has become a trend now a days to see Marxists/Socialists/Anti-War activists from aligning themselves with Far Right Religonist Parties, ignoring the fact that these same Far Right Clerics such as the JUI would toast a Socialist for Dinner or oppose thier views with a mightly curse.

Taliban need to be eradicated, and this can occur once Pakistan is subjected to a intolarated amount of pain and pressure, that is why educating the American people.

Comrada! Just imgine if America didnt attack, or bin laden was handed over, do you think Taliban would have not attended the Pakistan Military parades, or visit plush hotels and villas in Rawalpindi for Dinner or to celebrate Eid?

The American Invasion is a blessing, it exposed Pakistan and the Taliban alliance, it has given Pakistan a bad name, and it has helped those opposed to Pakistans imperialism with an insight to their sinister role for the last few decades.

As I said before, Americans have no cultural ties to the land, they will eventually leave, but I hope they do leave with a crumbled Pakistan.

How are we going to unite when the Taliban themselves are fighting eachother and have no organised agenda,

Plus, your patrioticism is going the wrong direction vrora, just because Taliban are Pashtuns does not mean we should support them, just because there are big drug dealers in Karachi who happen to be Pashtuns, does not mean we should support Drug dealers, as you said, your right, both sides are just as bad as eachother, but I sense a better advantage with the Americans and Nato than Taliban.

UPN brother,

I completely diagree with reinforcing the notion that Taliban are for Khilafa'h and has agenda beyond Afghanistan borders. I know this is not true. I also with all the respect I have for you, do not agree with the 'extended analogy' how you put two and two together to get 59. Saying that Taliban are not Pashtuns and because of their past/present support from Pakistan, America is a blessing and should walk all over us. This is what they have done to us at times in Afghanistan, they only refrain when they see themselves being braved and counered and told to fvck itself. That is what Pashtuns do. U.S. blessing (?) far from it, nothing is blessing in politics though.

I agree with your contempt for Taliban for their lunacy and ineptitude as a feeble political organisation being manipulated and even penetrated by Pakis, but that doesn't make them their slaves and the other names to demean them. Don't get me wrong, I do not like them and oppose them in any sense you may think of, but at the moment I can't. It also depends how you ontalogically (I hope I am using the right word) look at Taliban, you simply out-rightly oppose them and descridit them through Paki association while I look at the them through internal Afghan dynamics. There was a reason why the came to being and there is still a reason why they still exist. I also think that the current Taliban are not the older one and are a mixture of nationalist religious devouts fighting what they think they are defending their country, those seeking revenge and thsoe commited to Jihad above everything.

So out of those Pashtuns in Taliban who do not fight for Pakis but their own honour and prestige, I cannot betray them and wish they never prevail. Although even I might be the one who opposes them more voiceferiously than any one in this forum though. Politically I understand the benifit of relations with the U.S.. But don't be mistaken, we will never let them walk over us and be their puppets. Do you know how they orchesterated the recent aparthied parliamantary elecitons? I wont even go in to it. Taliban are a force of balance for now. I have said this before and will say it here on record again, that even their dog is better than a good chunk of the present government.

May be they have more of a mutual interests with Pakistan than U.S. Good for them and every is should be concerend with their own interests. But they need to be wise.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 04:05 PM
It IS GREAT NEWS THAT PAKISTAN EXPOSED AFTER ABOT ABAD OPERATION.
The father of pakistan (british govt) sill wants to support pakistan .
They exposed too.It was ,,cia+ISI,,drama ended to win obama election.Thats all.

You seem to have swallowed too much Naswar, you don't make sense. Actually you never make sense, gandooooooonwal joker.

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 07:21 PM
Watch this: YouTube - Towde Khabare Programme, 09 May, 2011 -TOLOnews.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHFI16YD_L0&feature=player_embedded)

ComradePashtun
05-09-2011, 07:45 PM
Watch the panelists arguing that things are rotten from within the government.

faye
05-09-2011, 11:39 PM
last night on tv, there was video of an afghan man going into afghanistan to meet with alqaeda. it is not up yet but an article about the program is on [/URL][url]www.abc.net.4corners (http://www.abc.net.4corners). article is 'following osama bin laden.'click on the photo. i will let you now when the video comes on their site.

khushal
05-10-2011, 12:34 AM
gadoonwal and ultra nationalist idiot, both of you just complain about what pakistanis and persians are doing but neither complain what the americans are doing when they have killed more pashtuns than the other two put together. It is the americans that are preventing pashtuns from seeking their rightful interests. The taliban might be pakistans proxy but a proxy can never be sustainable especially against a power like the US if it is not representing the reality on the ground. The resistance is not just the taliban, the resistance composes of many elements.

Just Recently many majahadeen groups that are in parliament are angered about the perm US bases idea who have sworn to fight if it is allowed. That will also transpire into a resistance, does not mean they are taliban or pakistans proxy. It is basically afghans that feel marginalized and are angry about their land being used by foreigners for foreign interests.