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Da_Kunar_Ghro
12-27-2010, 12:15 PM
The Pamiri language has many dialects like Pashto, and they can be divided into Sheen and Kheen dialects as in Pashto. This language is spoken in Badakhshan, Gilgit, Tajikstan and China. These dialects are actually different languages. They are Pashto's only living relatives and are from Avestan.

The Sheen dialect is known as Wakhi and the Kheen dialect is known as Shughni (Khughnun Ziv).

some words are:

chereng (Wakhi) = how
tsarang (Shughni) = how

tsarang ta ahwol? (Shughni) = how are you?
Chiz hawli? (Wakhi) = how are you?

Tawato nom tsayz? (Shughni) = What's your name?
Ti num chiz? (Wakhi) = What's your name?

mu nom.... (Shughni) = my name is....
Zhu num.... (Wakhi) = my name is...

Tawat az chidum dowlat yot? (Shughni) = Where are you from?
tut kum dyoren? (Wakhi) = Where are you from?


tsumar wakhti vitk? (Wakhi) = What time is it?
tsund wakht yost? (Shughni) = what time is it?

choy ts'she? (Wakhi)= do you want tea?
choy chike? (Shughni) = do you want tea?

Admin Khan
12-27-2010, 12:24 PM
I think one of the closest languages to Pashto is Ossetic. Check it out here.
Ossetic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetian_language)

Da_Kunar_Ghro
12-27-2010, 12:28 PM
I think one of the closest languages to Pashto is Ossetic. Check it out here.
Ossetic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetian_language)

I know about Ossetian it is similar to Kurdish and Balochi. But these people are culturally more similar to us because Ossetians are Christians and Pamiris live in Pashtun lands.

Toramana
12-27-2010, 12:35 PM
I know about Ossetian it is similar to Kurdish and Balochi. But these people are culturally more similar to us because Ossetians are Christians and Pamiris live in Pashtun lands.

Hi Da-Kunar-Ghro, interesting. Could you post some more sentences of Wakhi and Shaghni to compare with Pasht?

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-03-2011, 04:04 AM
SALAMALEKUM! I am Pamirian (Khukhnuni) i know, that our languages slose and lets comper ?! (one more thing, my english is not well but i think you can understand me)

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-03-2011, 04:13 AM
Lets - begin with an account from 1 to 10
Pamiri Language (Khukhnuni - Shughnoni)

1 - iw
2 - duen
3 - aray
4 - cavar
5 - pindz
6 - khogh
7 - uvd
8 - wakht
9 - noy
10 - dis (this)

English alphabet can not convey the many sounds of the Pamir languages

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-03-2011, 04:22 AM
pronouns

Uz/Az - I
Tu/Ta - You (sing)
Mash - We
Wath - They
Yu/Ya - He
Ya - She
Id/De - It
Mu/Muna - Me/My
Tama - You (pr)

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-03-2011, 04:24 AM
for example: Az ta winum or Uz tu winum - I see you

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-03-2011, 04:28 AM
By the way, I have many friends Ossetian - and if you want i can invite them too :)

یاسمینه
11-03-2011, 04:41 AM
Welcome to the forum.
Where are you from?


1 - jau
2 - dwa
3 - dre
4 - calor
5 - pinze
6 - shpag
7 - owe
8 - ate
9 - neh
10 - las

یاسمینه
11-03-2011, 04:43 AM
Personal pronouns in Nominatice case:

ze
te
dey (masc)
da (fem)

mug, mung
tassi, tassu, tasse
duy

یاسمینه
11-03-2011, 04:45 AM
I see you - ze te winem

Tjanaparh
11-03-2011, 08:39 AM
for example: Az ta winum or Uz tu winum - I see you
Nice to meet a Pamirian brother!
While living in Russia our family had a lot of friends from Pamir - I learnt so much from Your people personally !
Big respect to Pamirians!
BTW
I like Lidush Habib, even if I do not understand his songs :(
Like your music a lot! Do you know Oleg Fezov ?
Where is KHukhnuni dialect spoken, is it same as Shughnani?

Tjanaparh
11-03-2011, 08:41 AM
By the way, I have many friends Ossetian - and if you want i can invite them too :)

You have Ossetian friends, may it be that we know eachother?
What is Your name brother?

Tjanaparh
11-03-2011, 08:58 AM
I think one of the closest languages to Pashto is Ossetic. Check it out here.
Ossetic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetian_language)

I think Pamirian languages should be more close than Ossetic.
Hopefully some Ossetians will come too, so all will get much more interesting :)

Darweshkhel
11-03-2011, 10:01 AM
welcome to PF guys
Hey ave are you armenian? Barevdzes=) I had 2 very good friends from armenia - Akop and Artur. But they left for US..

Tjanaparh
11-03-2011, 10:08 AM
welcome to PF guys
Hey ave are you armenian? Barevdzes=) I had 2 very good friends from armenia - Akop and Artur. But they left for US..

Barev qez Akhpers!
Yes dear Darweshkhel, I am Armenian.
Where do You live?
I think You welcomed me already brother :)

By the way, if is needed I can upload some mateial on Pamir languages, Ossetic, Yaghnobi(only problem that it is in russian)

Darweshkhel
11-03-2011, 10:17 AM
I live in germany.
Please share with us everything you have. That's not a problem to me I'm fluent in russian also.

Karachi
11-03-2011, 11:13 AM
does anyone know the historical background of Ossetian and Pashto language relationships???

Tjanaparh
11-03-2011, 11:31 AM
That is a difficult question dear Karachi!
The linguist tell that Pashto is part of southeastern iranic group and Ossetic of northeastern Iranic group of languages.
I personally do not speak noone of both, so I cannot help with examples.
I know that the closest language to Ossetian is Yaghnobi, and even it so not too close.
Ossetians are thought to be part of Alans, a Sarmatian tribe.
Also culturally they have a lot of ancient Iranic(not Persian) traditions.
I have read some discussins between Pamirians and Ossetians, who mentioned the close cultural ties and many similarities in culture of both.
About connection to Pashtuns it is difficult to tell.
Sarmatians live in the volga steppe quiet long, so they are devided from Pashtunlands for a long time to have direct similarities.
That is at least what i see, but my opinon is nothing.
The sound of Ossetic and Pashto is quiet different, so perhaps they even can be similar, but differ due to pronounciation.
Hopefully our Pamirian member is well informed.

یاسمینه
11-03-2011, 02:16 PM
According to the recent findings of linguists, existing classification of languages will soon be obsolete. Biosociolinguistic, taking into account three factors - language, culture and genes will probably create new classifications.

Tjanaparh
11-03-2011, 02:28 PM
But languages aren't based on genes at all.
Linguistic division is based mostly only on language and culture.

یاسمینه
11-03-2011, 03:00 PM
But languages aren't based on genes at all.
Linguistic division is based mostly only on language and culture.


But genetics can verify what we know about languages. Genetics help to determine how communities mixed among themselves and what were the routes of their migrations.
I think L. L. Cavalli-Sforza was one of the first scientists who started such studies. Some abstracts should be available on pubmed.

I would also recommend the book of Steve Olson: Mapping human history. Discovering the past through our genes.

If you are interested in biosociolinguistic I could send you bibliography in next week.

یاسمینه
11-03-2011, 04:11 PM
@Arevapasht - I uploaded something for you: http://www.pashtunforums.com/english-books-45/genes-people-languages-l-l-cavalli-sforza-22582/ (http://www.pashtunforums.com/english-books-45/genes-people-languages-l-l-cavalli-sforza-22582/)

Admin Khan
11-03-2011, 07:09 PM
By the way, I have many friends Ossetian - and if you want i can invite them too :)

Welcome.

Please invite them. I would love to interact with them.

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-05-2011, 11:41 PM
1 - iw
2 - duen
3 - aray
4 - cavar
5 - pindz
6 - khogh
7 - uvd
8 - wakht
9 - noy
10 - dis (this)
1 - jau
2 - dwa
3 - dre
4 - calor
5 - pinze
6 - shpag
7 - owe
8 - ate
9 - neh
10 - las

Toramana
11-05-2011, 11:50 PM
Pamiri Khuknum, welcome most---Wakhi language is closer to Pashto---bot are North East Iranian Languages ----Pashto is sometimes classified South Eastern Iranian by linguolist but most linguists have classified it as north eastern Iranian. Other Pamiri languages like Sangalchi, Yaghnobi, Shughni, etc. are also grouped as east Iranian.

Toramana
11-06-2011, 12:07 AM
The Eastern Iranian languages are a subgroup of the Iranian languages (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Iranian_languages) emerging in Middle Iranian (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Middle_Iranian) times (from ca. the 4th century BC). The Avestan language (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Avestan_language) is often classified as early Eastern Iranian. The largest living Eastern Iranian language is Pashto (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Pashto_language) with some 40 million speakers, a major language of Afghanistan (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Afghanistan) and Pakistan (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Pakistan) west of the River Indus (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/River_Indus). As opposed to the Middle Western Iranian dialects, the Middle Eastern Iranian preserves word-final syllables.
The living Eastern Iranian languages are spoken in a contiguous area, in Afghanistan (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Afghanistan) as well as the adjacent parts of western Pakistan (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Pakistan), Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Province (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Gorno-Badakhshan_Autonomous_Province) of eastern Tajikistan (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Tajikistan), and the far west of Xinjiang (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Xinjiang) region (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Autonomous_regions_of_China) of China (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/China), while it also has two other living members in widely separated areas, the Yaghnobi language (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Yaghnobi_language) of northwestern Tajikistan (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Tajikistan) (descended from Sogdian) and the Ossetic language (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Ossetic_language) of the Caucasus (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Caucasus) (descended from Scytho-Sarmatian). These are remnants of a vast ethno-linguistic continuum that stretched over most of Central Asia (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Central_Asia) in the 1st millennium BC (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/1st_millennium_BC).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages)

Toramana
11-06-2011, 12:22 AM
The southern group includes Pashto, Pamir languages, and Ormuri-Parachi.[1] (http://www.pashtunforums.com/#cite_note-Iranica-0) Pashto is spoken in eastern, southern and few other parts of Afghanistan (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Afghanistan), and western Pakistan (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Pakistan). Pamir languages are spoken in the Pamir Mountains (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Pamir_Mountains). Ormuri is spoken in Kaniguram (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Kaniguram) in South Waziristan (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/South_Waziristan) area (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Federally_Administered_Tribal_Areas) of Pakistan, but there may be still some speakers in Baraki Barak (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Baraki_Barak) in Logar province (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Logar_province) of Afghanistan. Parachi is spoken in the upper part of Nijrab (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Nijrab_District), north of Kabul (http://www.pashtunforums.com/wiki/Kabul_Province).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages)

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-06-2011, 12:25 AM
thanks, to all ! i will try to answer to all your question from the beginning ....

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-06-2011, 12:55 AM
Arevapasht, (i like Lidush's songs also he is the legend writer of Shughni and you can see his pic on my profile). Of course i know Oleg Fezov - by the way his father is Pamirian and his mother is Ossetian :)

'Khughnuni " means "Shugnani" but this pronunciation is close to tajik and persian language and pronunciation and in our own language and pronunciation we call it "KHUGNONI" I hope now you understand the deference between these two word which has the same meanings.
Where is KHukhnuni dialect spoken, is it same as Shughnani?

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-06-2011, 01:16 AM
ok, I am gonna invite my Ossetian friends (but i think they don't speak English we will se)...
and i met a Pamirian gay yesterday. He is from Khunza (Pakistan) he speaks Wakhi...

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-06-2011, 01:17 AM
East-Iranian tribes unite again :) (Scythians, Sakas, Masagety Kushania-Sarmatians-Alans) Avestians

Tjanaparh
11-06-2011, 02:05 AM
Arevapasht, (i like Lidush's songs also he is the legend writer of Shughni and you can see his pic on my profile). Of course i know Oleg Fezov - by the way his father is Pamirian and his mother is Ossetian :)

'Khughnuni " means "Shugnani" but this pronunciation is close to tajik and persian language and pronunciation and in our own language and pronunciation we call it "KHUGNONI" I hope now you understand the deference between these two word which has the same meanings.
Where is KHukhnuni dialect spoken, is it same as Shughnani?

Thank You dear Pamirian brother!
I mntioned Lidush because I sa Your profile picture:evilgrin:
I didn't know Oleg is half Ossetian , we know eachother a bit from internet. He lives in Germany now.
My family has also very close friends from Pamir who live in Russia now.


I like a lot the architecture you use for Your houses btw, it is fantastic:)

Lemar
11-06-2011, 08:20 PM
Thank you for this thread and thank you my pamiri friend.
I met a Pamiri from Badakhshan a few years ago and he was such a great guy! whenever he talked on the phone with his family I knew this language is very very close to Pashtu.

Can you please write more words or if possible sentences?
and welcome

Wahe Guru
11-07-2011, 06:22 PM
East-Iranian tribes unite again :) (Scythians, Sakas, Masagety Kushania-Sarmatians-Alans) Avestians

I believe the descendants of most of these groups you mentioned above do live in Punjab and other areas in north-west of India and Pakistan in large numbers. Naturally everyone speaks our SO beautiful Punjabi language.

Numbers in Punjabi - if anyone wants to read are:
1 ikk
2 do
3 tinn
4 char
5 punj
6 sche
7 satt
8 atth
9 nonh
10 das

Some Iranians find that interesting. Perhaps some of the members here do not - "we generally look down upon Indus..." - what a joke lol.

Ossetian
11-08-2011, 04:54 AM
Sаlоm bаrodаron!:-) Privеtstvju Vаs, dorogie ucнаstniki foruma! Ja Ossetin, imja moe Zelimkhan, familija Batsoev! Davno hotel blige uznat' i poznakomit'sja s doblestnym i hrabrym narodom Afganistana!!! Vi obsujdaete jaziky, ja bi hotel prochitat' voprosy! Perevedet kto?!!!

Tjanaparh
11-08-2011, 04:59 AM
Sаlоm bаrodаron!:-) Privеtstvju Vаs, dorogie ucнаstniki foruma! Ja Ossetin, imja moe Zelimkhan, familija Batsoev! Davno hotel blige uznat' i poznakomit'sja s doblestnym i hrabrym narodom Afganistana!!! Vi obsujdaete jaziky, ja bi hotel prochitat' voprosy! Perevedet kto?!!!

I translate it for those who do not know Russian!

Salam Brothers! Greetings to You, dear forum users! I am Ossetian, my name is Zelimkhan, familyname Batsoev! Long time i wanted to meet and learn about the gloryfull and brave Afghan nation!
You are discussing languages, I'd like to read the questions! Can anybody translate them?!!!

Tjanaparh
11-08-2011, 05:04 AM
Sаlоm bаrodаron!:-) Privеtstvju Vаs, dorogie ucнаstniki foruma! Ja Ossetin, imja moe Zelimkhan, familija Batsoev! Davno hotel blige uznat' i poznakomit'sja s doblestnym i hrabrym narodom Afganistana!!! Vi obsujdaete jaziky, ja bi hotel prochitat' voprosy! Perevedet kto?!!!

Privety Ossetinskomu bratu ot ego Armyanskogo brata! Ochen lublu i uvajayu Vash narod! Ya postarayus perevesti soobsheniya postepenno! Tema kosaetsya rodstva vostochnoiranskix yazykov!
Nekotoryye uchastniki Pashtuny interesovalis o svyazi yazyka Pashto s Ossetinskim, Pamirskimi yazykami i Yaghnobskim.
Ossetinov v teme poka chto nebylo i chasto mne prixodilos koe chto govorit na forume pro Ossetin, poetomu rad chto ty poyavilsya Brat, tak budet luche i dostovernie, tak kak moi znaniya skudny!
Dumayu naibolshij interes dlya nachala v sravnenii yazykov, v etom smysle ya by predlojil sostavit spisok slov i predlojenij na Ossetinskom i Pashto - dlya sravneniya ix blizosti.
Ya gotov pomoch i posodeystvovat v etom, no moe vremya ogranicheno i nadeyus nekotorye drugie uchastniki znayushie russkij posodeystvuyut s perevodami!
Zdraviya zhelayu, Alik

Tjanaparh
11-08-2011, 05:10 AM
Da Kunar Ghro pochemu to skazal chto Ossetinskij bolshe poxoj na Kurdskij i Beludjskij?! Schitaya edinstvenno rodstvennymi Pashto yazykami Pamirskie yazyki.
Admin Khan zhe schitaet chto Ossetinskij doljen byt odnim iz naibolee blizkix k Pashto.
Est nekotorye spiski sravnenij...

Tjanaparh
11-08-2011, 05:12 AM
I suggest to make a list of words and sentences to see similarities, as our ossetian friend do not understand English, I will translate them in Russian, and he will add the Ossetian translation.
At least like that we could compare more the connections between Pamitian, Ossetian, Pashto.

Ossetian
11-08-2011, 05:32 AM
Ja rabotaju c Moskve, so mnoi rabotajut rebjata iz Leninabadskogo raiona Tajikistana, poetomu u menja est' vozmojnost' sravnit' jaziky - Osetinski i Tajikski. Ja seichas skinu te slova i slovosochetanija,chto imejut obschee proiznoschenie! Taj.- "N trs"- Oset."Ma trs"- ne boysja, "N trsy"-ne boytsja! Taj.-"Mag'zy Sr", Oset.-"Sry Mag'z"- mozg golovi !!! Taj.-"Hurjin", Oset."Hurjin"-pohodnaja sumka s edoi i napitkami !!!

Tjanaparh
11-08-2011, 05:38 AM
Ja rabotaju c Moskve, so mnoi rabotajut rebjata iz Leninabadskogo raiona Tajikistana, poetomu u menja est' vozmojnost' sravnit' jaziky - Osetinski i Tajikski. Ja seichas skinu te slova i slovosochetanija,chto imejut obschee proiznoschenie! Taj.- "N trs"- Oset."Ma trs"- ne boysja, "N trsy"-ne boytsja! Taj.-"Mag'zy Sr", Oset.-"Sry Mag'z"- mozg golovi !!! Taj.-"Hurjin", Oset."Hurjin"-pohodnaja sumka s edoi i napitkami !!!
Translation from Russian:
I am working in Moscow, with me are working guys from Leninabad region of Tajikistan, for that reason I heave the possibility to compare Ossetian and Tajik. Here I am posting the sentences that have same pronounciation:
Taj.- "N trs"- Oset."Ma trs"- don't fear, Taj.-"Mag'zy Sr", Oset.-"Sry Mag'z"- heads brain !!! Taj.-"Hurjin", Oset."Hurjin"- field bag with food and drinks!!!!

یاسمینه
11-08-2011, 05:57 AM
Ja rabotaju c Moskve, so mnoi rabotajut rebjata iz Leninabadskogo raiona Tajikistana, poetomu u menja est' vozmojnost' sravnit' jaziky - Osetinski i Tajikski. Ja seichas skinu te slova i slovosochetanija,chto imejut obschee proiznoschenie! Taj.- "N trs"- Oset."Ma trs"- ne boysja, "N trsy"-ne boytsja! Taj.-"Mag'zy Sr", Oset.-"Sry Mag'z"- mozg golovi !!! Taj.-"Hurjin", Oset."Hurjin"-pohodnaja sumka s edoi i napitkami !!!

Welcome to the forum. Я говорю на русском, но я не знаю правил транскрипции с русского на английский :(
I mean I understand what you say but I wouldn't try to answer you in Russian using English alphabet.

Tjanaparh
11-08-2011, 06:00 AM
Welcome to the forum. Я говорю на русском, но я не знаю правил транскрипции с русского на английский :(

I think everybody uses his own rules. From example from the transcription You can understand where a person is living.
Do You have a problem in understanding the transcriptions we use?

یاسمینه
11-08-2011, 06:06 AM
I think everybody uses his own rules. From example from the transcription You can understand where a person is living.
Do You have a problem in understanding the transcriptions we use?

Not at all but Im not good when it comes to transcript Russian to English. Im Polish... If I write in Russian I prefere using Cyrillic. The same with Pashto or Dari - Im not a fan of transcription in Roman script

Tjanaparh
11-08-2011, 06:32 AM
Not at all but Im not good when it comes to transcript Russian to English. Im Polish... If I write in Russian I prefere using Cyrillic. The same with Pashto or Dari - Im not a fan of transcription in Roman script

Write in Cyrillic! I do not do it, because I have no cyrillic keyboard, and sometimes I am lazy to use the transliterator! I prefer too to use the original scripts by the way!
I remember that You are Polish dear Yasmeenaah:hmm:

Iportant that we "Russian speakers" can understand eachother to help a conversation between Zelimkhan and those who do not speak Russian.
If it is difficult to ready I promise You to use only translit.ru for russian sentences.
I used latin also for people who may know a bit of russian but do not know how to read cyrillic.

Ossetian
11-08-2011, 11:29 AM
Osetinskiy blije k Sogdiyskomu jaziku! Hotja s Pushtunami toje mnogo shojego, ja seychas privedu Osetinskiy schet .... 1-iu, 2-dua, 3-rt, 4-cypar,5-fonj, 6-hshas, 7-avd, 8-asht,9-farasht, 10-das ! Dal'che parno 11-iuan das, 12-dua das i t.d.

Ossetian
11-08-2011, 11:38 AM
Alik,spasibo za privetstvie! Ja rad i gotov pomoch'! I samomu budet ves'ma polezno obshenie v etom forume!

Soldat_Amir
11-08-2011, 12:52 PM
Alik,spasibo za privetstvie! Ja rad i gotov pomoch'! I samomu budet ves'ma polezno obshenie v etom forume!

Ocin Preyatna
Dubrejin, Privit, Kak de la Gaspajin Khan, Minya za vut Amir,
Vey goverinchey po Angliska?

Tjanaparh
11-08-2011, 01:00 PM
Osetinskiy blije k Sogdiyskomu jaziku! Hotja s Pushtunami toje mnogo shojego, ja seychas privedu Osetinskiy schet .... 1-iu, 2-dua, 3-rt, 4-cypar,5-fonj, 6-hshas, 7-avd, 8-asht,9-farasht, 10-das ! Dal'che parno 11-iuan das, 12-dua das i t.d.

Transaltion:
Ossetian is closer to Sogdian language! But with Pashtuns there are also many things in common, i will give here Ossetian numbers:
1-iu, 2-dua, 3-rt, 4-cypar,5-fonj, 6-hshas, 7-avd, 8-asht,9-farasht, 10-das !
Further it goes: 11-iuan das, 12-dua das i t.d.

Tjanaparh
11-08-2011, 01:01 PM
Alik,spasibo za privetstvie! Ja rad i gotov pomoch'! I samomu budet ves'ma polezno obshenie v etom forume!

Vsegda rad pomoch brat!
A ty na kakom govorish, Ironskom ili Digorskom ?:hmm:

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-08-2011, 04:28 PM
SALAM, Zelimkhan !!! Brat rad tebya videt na forume ))) (translation: Salam my Brother glad to see you he is my friend)

Zelimkhan, tut xotyat sravnit Osetinskie slova s Pushtunskim .... u menya est nekotorie slova ya ix tut privedu ...eshe raz. Dobro pozhalovat Brat!! WELCOME !!

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-08-2011, 04:44 PM
Example:
"Sun" in our language we'll be: > Khir (Khear) - Pamiri, Khur (Khoor) - Ossetian,

"the light/ray/soul" >> rukh-Pamiri, rukhs-Osset

what's in Pashto ?

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-08-2011, 04:54 PM
in Oseetian language they wright "Rukhs" but pronanciation is "Rukhsh"

the only wife of Alexander of Macedon, her name is RUKHSHONA this is her original name (ROKSANA-greek's pronanc) tranclation from Pamiri and Ossetian means - "Bright/Beautiful"

Afghanistan2010
11-08-2011, 05:07 PM
Example:
"Sun" in our language we'll be: > Khir (Khear) - Pamiri, Khur (Khoor) - Ossetian,

"the light/ray/soul" >> rukh-Pamiri, rukhs-Osset

what's in Pashto ?


Sun : Starga (translated eye)
Sunlight : limaar ( some people are named like that )

Soul : rookh (its the same it comes from arabic)

lol khoor is the sister in pashto

Leonine
11-08-2011, 08:12 PM
closest language to pashto is dari...wtf?

Admin Khan
11-08-2011, 11:55 PM
Example:
"Sun" in our language we'll be: > Khir (Khear) - Pamiri, Khur (Khoor) - Ossetian,

"the light/ray/soul" >> rukh-Pamiri, rukhs-Osset

what's in Pashto ?

Sun - lmar
Soul - saa

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-09-2011, 02:19 AM
Sun - lmar
Soul - saa

Sun : Starga (translated eye)
Sunlight : limaar ( some people are named like that )

Soul : rookh (its the same it comes from arabic)

lol khoor is the sister in pashto


arabic, "soul" - "الروح" - "rooh" it's different than our "Light" - "rookh" i can't wright the pronanciation is deferent. And now i see, that i made mistake. We don't use arabic "rooh" for "soul" ussualy we say "Arwoh", but for "light" we used "rookh"
Sometimes LIGHT and SOUL have same meaning, confusing I know, especial in leterature.
"Light" is "Rookh" - Pamiri and Ossetian. "Soul" - "Rooh" Arabic.
Rookhshona (Roxana) lived in the fifth century BC, before the Arabs came to Central Asia (7 BC) she was Bactrian.

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-09-2011, 02:27 AM
sorry, arabs came Central Asia in the 7th century (not BC)

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-09-2011, 03:03 AM
I would to correct the error .... coz i can't understand how to wright some wors in Eglish alphabet.
the Sun - Heer (pamir) Hur (Osset) that's corect. It's from Avesta, example: Ahuramazda or Hurmuzd.
in antiquity, the "north" was called "Khorazm", "west" - "Huroson", "East" - "Bokhtar". We know, that east iranian language is ancient than the west iranian language. East iranian laguages came from Avesta (pamiri, pashto, yaghnobi, ossetian). West iranian languages Farsi/Dari (persian/tajik/afghan-dari/kurdish/talish etc) we can say that they are the languages ​​of the Shahnameh. The differences between Avesta and Shahnameh Millennium.

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-09-2011, 03:11 AM
what's "light" in Pashto ?

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-09-2011, 03:25 AM
synonyms for "Sun"
Heer, Khor, Hur, Hurmuzd, Hurshed, Lmar, Olamafruz, Aftab,

sister - yakh/khor (pamir), khuara/khor (osset), khohar (tajik), khoor (pashtu)

Afghanistan2010
11-09-2011, 10:22 AM
what's "light" in Pashto ?

Ra'na is light.

Lemar
11-09-2011, 05:34 PM
Great thread! keep it up guys!

Lemar
11-09-2011, 05:53 PM
THE PHONOLOGY OF PASHTO

http://people.ku.edu/~mmth/Sample_Pashto_Phonology_I_Term_Paper.pdf

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-10-2011, 12:46 AM
Lemar, i checked your link ))) lets see..

"Introduction. Pashto is a Western Iranian language, descended from Avestan."

what is that mean ??

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-10-2011, 12:55 AM
De khu makunat de khu ziv zinda kinam ...
Uz bovarum, davra'ta yothd gulzor mu makun sud
Boghe umed'ta yam mash Badakhshun sud

Karachi
11-10-2011, 03:17 AM
what is the pamiri language classified under?

یاسمینه
11-10-2011, 05:35 AM
what is the pamiri language classified under?

Family: Indo-European
Group: Iranian
Sub-group: Pamiri languages (other names: Ghalcha or Mountain Tajik)

Languages like: Wakhi, Shughni (Sheghni, Shughnani), Roshani, Eskashimi, Sargulami (Saraglami), Yazgulami belong to Pamiri languages.

Punjabi
11-10-2011, 01:14 PM
I'm Panjabi
And i can understand some pashtuns words
It's because punjabi and pashto are
Indo-european languages

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-12-2011, 04:01 AM
I'm Panjabi
And i can understand some pashtuns words
It's because punjabi and pashto are
Indo-european languages

it's because Panjabi or Hindu were under the FARSI influence --- do you know how many years Farsi was government language of India ?
or we all know, that Urdu = Farsi + Nindu + X

even the region name PAMJABI consists of 3 parts
1. "PANJ" (five)
2. "AB" (water/rever)
3. "I" in this case "BI" ...(in Farsi we use it in the end of the word when we want to show how this word belong to something)
EXAMPLE: Saadi ShiraZI (it means Saadi from Shiraz), musiqii afghoNI (afghan's music), zaboni tojikI (tajik's language), Amir Khusravi DehlaVI (Amir Khosrow from Deli India ..he the great Idian poet who used to write in Fasi such as Zebunisso or IQBAL or BEDIL),
Pamiri (means from Pamir) etc.

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-12-2011, 04:07 AM
Pamiri language classified to the group of east Iranian languages such as Yaghnobi, Pashtu and Osetian)

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-12-2011, 04:37 AM
Some Pamirian wors:

1. I – az / uz
2. You – tu / ta / ti
3. He – u / ya / w'i
4. We – mash / makh
5. You – tama / tmakh
6. They – wath / wienden
7. It – id / yam / y'i, am
8. That - yu
9. Here – yonde/ am/ amdak
10. There – yewo / yamand / waam / wamdak
11. Who – chay / kay / qum
12. What – chiz / ciz (german "zw" zwiz)
13. Where – kaye / kande / qumdza, kamdak
14. No – nay / na, ne
15. All – fook/ dzigdak, dzhik
16. Many – fana/ fay/ lap
17. Little – doos / dzus
18. Other – yega / a'n
19. One – iw / uk, wuk
20. Two – duen / duv, luv
21. Three – aray / ru, ray
22. four – cavor / cipur
23. Five – pindz / pundz
24. Seven – uvd /
25. Big – ghula / kata, ghav
26. Tall – biland / w'eraz
27. Small – dzutak / dzulik / cutak
28. Woman – g'inik / qus
29. Men – chorik / may, nier
30. Baby/Sun – bacha / kudak / kut, chut, za'
31. Mother – nan / nana
32. Father – tat/ pid
33. Dog – kud / ked
34. Вошь - шыш
35. Snake – divusk / voks
36. Tree - we'daz / drakht
37. Family – oyla / теfм / qaum / awlod

Punjabi
11-12-2011, 09:13 AM
it's because Panjabi or Hindu were under the FARSI influence --- do you know how many years Farsi was government language of India ?
or we all know, that Urdu = Farsi + Nindu + X

even the region name PAMJABI consists of 3 parts
1. "PANJ" (five)
2. "AB" (water/rever)
3. "I" in this case "BI" ...(in Farsi we use it in the end of the word when we want to show how this word belong to something)
EXAMPLE: Saadi ShiraZI (it means Saadi from Shiraz), musiqii afghoNI (afghan's music), zaboni tojikI (tajik's language), Amir Khusravi DehlaVI (Amir Khosrow from Deli India ..he the great Idian poet who used to write in Fasi such as Zebunisso or IQBAL or BEDIL),
Pamiri (means from Pamir) etc.

Yeah i know, panjabis have an iranic part, but they are indo-aryan
I'm JATT , so indo-scythian

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-14-2011, 02:43 PM
1. I –
2. You –
3. He –
4. We –
5. You –
6. They –
7. It –
8. That -
9. Here –
10. There –
11. Who –
12. What –
13. Where –
14. No –
15. All –
16. Many –
17. Little –
18. Other –
19. One –
20. Two –
21. Three –
22. four –
23. Five –
24. Seven –
25. Big –
26. Tall –
27. Small –
28. Woman –
29. Men –
30. Baby/Sun –
31. Mother –
32. Father –
33. Dog –
34. Вошь -
35. Snake –
36. Tree -
37. Family –

could you write these words in pukhtun ?!

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Digital Malang
11-14-2011, 02:58 PM
1. I za
2. You ta
3. He dai
4. We muzh
5. You ta
6. They doy
7. It da
8. That - agha
9. Here dale
10. There alta
11. Who tsok
12. What sa/ cheshai
13. Where chere
14. No nah/yaya
15. All thol
16. Many der
17. Little lazh
18. Other nor
19. One yaw
20. Two dwa
21. Three dre
22. four salor
23. Five penza
24. Seven awa
25. Big zhat/ghat
26. Tall wozhd/wogd
27. Small warakai
28. Woman shaza/khaza
29. Men sarai/nar
30. Baby/Sun baby=kuchnai, sun= lmar
31. Mother mor/ ade/ murkai :smile1:
32. Father plar
33. Dog spay
34. Вошь - :/
35. Snake maar
36. Tree - wana
37. Family pamil?

could you write these words in pukhtun ?!

its Pashto/pakhto/Pahto
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DOne

Digital Malang
11-14-2011, 03:08 PM
Muzh ye yayoo peera....bar kalee ke dera zhata wana da?

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-16-2011, 01:50 AM
so, we can see, that we have a lot of similar words ...
i had invited some Ossetian but i think they have problem with understanding in English - all of them from Osetia (Caucasus) they use russian language. I am going to ask them same questions and then we can compare the three languages ​​together

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-16-2011, 03:25 AM
Pamiri - Pashto

1. I – az - uz - ze - za
2. You – tu -ta - ti - tu (singl)
3. He – yu - ya - w'i - day (pamiri: "ask him" - "de pehs" or "day paws")
4. We – mash - makh – muzh - mizh
5. You – tama - tmakh - tusey (plural)
6. They – wath - wienden - dath - doy
7. It – de - id - yam - y'i - am - da
8. That – yu - yed - eghe
9. Here – am – amdak - yonde - dale
10. There – yamand - waam – wamdak - yewo – ireh - alta
11. Who – kay - qum - chay - tsek
12. What – chiz - ciz - sa - sa

(we usually say: Mu Virod sarang tu awol ? My Brother how are you? ... in pamiri languages if we change words it’s not going to be mistake, so, we don’t have special structure for our sentence, but English does. Example: Mu Virod sarang tu awol ? or Mu Virod tu awol sarang ? or Tu awol sarang?Mu Virod!...so we can use different way in Pamiri languages...i don’t know what about Pashto ?! in English we can’t say “You how are? we should say "How are you?My Brother"”cuz they have structure)

13. Where – kaye - kande - qumdza - kamdak - chere - cherta
14. No – nay - na - ne - nah - yaya
15. All – fook - dzigdak - dzhik - thol
16. Many – fana - fay- lap - ziyote - dis - der - zyot
17. Little – doos - dzus - lazh - lashki
18. Other – yega - a'n - ner
19. One – iw - uk - wuk – yaw - yeh
20. Two – duen - duv - luv - dwa
21. Three – aray - ru - ray - dre
22. four – cavor - cipur - tsaalwer
23. Five – pindz - pundz - penza
24. Seven – uvd - awa
25. Big – ghula – kata – ghav - ghat
26. Tall – biland - w'eraz - wozhd (we use “WUhZHD” for “NARROW”)
27. Small – dzutak - dzulik – cutak - werakai
28. Woman – g'inik - qus - kahkoy - shaza
29. Men – chorik - may - nier - (we use “NAR” for “MALE” but Osetian use it for “Men”)
30. Baby/Sun – bacha - kudak – kut - chut - za' - kudak – kuchnai - werkai sun= myer (what is "ZAY" in pashto? example: "KarZAY")
31. Mother – mo -nan - nana - mer - ade
32. Father – dod - tat - pid - plor
33. Dog – kud - ked - spay
34. -
35. Snake – divusk - voks - mor
36. Tree - we'daz - drakht - wana
37. Family – oyla - теfм - qaum – awlod – khpalwon

BLS_1919v2.0
11-16-2011, 03:12 PM
Some Pashtuns I have seen use Tsa rang ae? However normally I would use Zama wrora Tsenga yaee? Or Tsenga yaee zama wrora. We use Nar as well for male/men.

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-17-2011, 01:41 AM
pamiri-"Tsarang" pashto-"Tsa rang ae" "Tsa ranga ye" - that's greeting in our languages. It's consist of 2 parts: 1) "TSA or SA or CA"-means-HOWorWHAT, 2) RANG means (color or sitiation or ..something?! general meaning "How are you" or Whats going on, etc.)

"black" in pamiri "Ter" in ossetian "Tar"

BLS_1919v2.0
11-17-2011, 02:51 AM
^^in pashto thor.

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-17-2011, 04:05 AM
Здравствуйте Друзья!
Yasmeenaah, Darweshkhel, Soldat_Amir, Arevapasht's (Alik)

Guys i would like to invite you to Ossetian group if you don't mind ?! We can discus-interact with our Ossetian brothers and sisters it would be useful for all of us

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-17-2011, 04:08 AM
i would like to invite you to that group, because you know Russian and they can ask you a question and you will practice your russian with them :)

Ossetian
11-19-2011, 07:04 AM
Ja budu v pervom stolbike pisat' Iron.variant vo vtorom Digor. 1. I z
2. You dy;du
3. He uyi; e, ej.
4. We mаh; mah.
5. Yоu- dy; du
6. They udon; еt. 7. It ai;a.
8. That - uysy; echi.
9. Here am, mn; ami, mn.
10. There uym; omi.
11. Who chi; ka.
12. What sy; chi. 13. Whereкm; кmi.
14. No n; n.
15. All alsy; alchi.
16. Many hsa; hca.
17. Little chyshyl-gzus,;mnk'i.
18. Other ndr; ndr. 19. One iu; euu.
20. Two dyu; duu.
21. Three rt; rt.
22. four cyppar;cuppar.
23. Five fondz; fondz; "kudarskiy dialekt" - FОNJ
24. Seven аvd;avd. 25. Big shtyr; ustur
26. Tall shtyr, darg', baerzond; ustur, daerg', baerzond.
27. Small gzus; mank'ai.
28. Woman shyl,shylgoimag; shil, shilgoimag.
29. Men nl,nlgoimag; nl,nlgoimag.
30. Baby - shyvalon,bdul; suvallon,bdol. Sun fyrt,lppu; furt,bicheu. 31. Mother Mad,Nana; Mad,Nana.
32. Father Fyd; Fid.
33. Dog kudz,kuit; kui,kuit.
34. Вошь - shysht; shist
35. Snake kalm; kalm.
36. Tree - blas; blas. 37. Family mygkag; mugkag.

Ossetian
11-19-2011, 07:14 AM
"No"- u nas eshe imeet znachenie - "ni; n es" - netu! "Father"- "Baba,Dada". " Mother"- "Nana, Dzycci,Gycci".

Ossetian
11-19-2011, 07:54 AM
Gde ja mogu prochitat' predanija pushtunov? Est' li epos? Dlja sravnenija s nashim eposom!

Insaaf_انصاف
11-20-2011, 09:50 AM
Dlja sravenija s nashim eposom
Pushtunov

Darweshkhel
11-21-2011, 08:12 PM
Privet Pamiri, privet Ossetian. Dobro pozhalovat' v nash malenkij forum=) Ja dazhe ne znal chto nashi jaziki takije poxozhije. Ja zametil chto mnogo slov voobshe odinakovije. Znachit mi bratja=) Za druzhbu nashix narodov!
V nashej biblioteke jest kniga Lebedeva, on napisal afgansko russkij slovar i knigu o grammatike.
Zhelaju vsego xorosheva!

Tjanaparh
11-22-2011, 06:23 AM
I tried to post some other books - but I failed! Some error occurs when I try to upload them. :(

Badshah Khan Wazir
11-22-2011, 06:33 PM
It seems like Waziri Pashto is closer to Pamiri than other types of Pashto.

afghan
11-23-2011, 12:28 AM
privetsvuyo pamiri wror ei Ossetian braty, deistvitelno o nas monogo sxodstvo v yazikax ei tak je v obichiyax. esho raz priyatno vas uvedit na pawtun forume.

afghan
11-23-2011, 01:15 AM
Ja budu v pervom stolbike pisat' Iron.variant vo vtorom Digor. 1. I z
2. You dy;du ta( v edinstvennom chisle) tasi (mnojest.)
3. He uyi; e, ej. dae , hagha
4. We mаh; mah. muzh, mung
5. Yоu- dy; du
6. They udon; еt. dwi , haghwi
7. It ai;a. da

8. That - uysy; echi. dagha
9. Here am, mn; ami, mn. Dalta
10. There uym; omi. alta
11. Who chi; ka. cha , tsok, kom
12. What sy; chi. tsa
13. Whereкm; кmi. Kom zai , cheri
14. No n; n. Na
15. All alsy; alchi. drast , tool
16. Many hsa; hca. der
17. Little chyshyl-gzus,;mnk'i. kochnai , warooki
18. Other ndr; ndr. noor, bal
19. One iu; euu. yaw
20. Two dyu; duu. dwa
21. Three rt; rt. dree
22. four cyppar;cuppar. tsaloor
23. Five fondz; fondz; "kudarskiy dialekt" - FОNJ Pindza
24. Seven аvd;avd. owa
25. Big shtyr; ustur loy. ghat, starr,
26. Tall shtyr, darg', baerzond; ustur, daerg', baerzond. Lwar, ding, starr
27. Small gzus; mank'ai. lag, kam
28. Woman shyl,shylgoimag; shil, shilgoimag. Khaza, shaza, zanana
29. Men nl,nlgoimag; nl,nlgoimag. saree, narina
30. Baby - shyvalon,bdul; suvallon,bdol. Sun fyrt,lppu; furt,bicheu.mashoom, virkai

31. Mother Mad,Nana; Mad,Nana. moor
32. Father Fyd; Fid. plar
33. Dog kudz,kuit; kui,kuit. Spay
34. Вошь - shysht; shist
35. Snake kalm; kalm. maar
36. Tree - blas; blas. woona
37. Family mygkag; mugkag. Koranai,

tak kak u pushtunov mnogo dialektov , ei mnogie slava proiznocitsa po raznomy.
budte dobree pojaluista perevedete sleduyoshee slava na oscetinskii ei na pamiri.
1. come - radza , rasha
2. go.- dza
3. bring- rawra
4. cash - naghdi ,naqdi
5. loan- qarz
6. revenge - badal
7. enemy- dushman, dukhman
8. beans- lobia
9. maize - jwar
10. wheat- ghanam.
spacibo esho raz

Pamiri Khukhnun
11-23-2011, 03:04 AM
It seems like Waziri Pashto is closer to Pamiri than other types of Pashto.

o, really? !

prodolzhim :)
some Pamiri

1. come - radza , rasha - taROYA
2. go.- dza - "sa" or "tsa" (thar tsa - go away)
3. bring- rawra - va (a ku pindz mun va - hey pl. bring me 5 apple)
4. cash - naghdi, naqdi - naqd
5. loan- qarz - qarz
6. revenge - badal - qast
7. enemy- dushman, dukhman - dukhman
8. beans- lobia - makh - marvorid
9. maize - jwar - jaw
10. wheat- ghanam - kakht, gandum
11. my brother - mu wrod
12. my sister - mu yakh
13. our motherland - mash vatan
14. strong - zur, khakh (i can't write the exactly pronanciation in engl alphabet)
15. i will do it - uz'ta de kenum
16. don't cry - ma nau
17. don't go - ma sau
18. head - kal, kil,
19. hair - muy, ghundzh
20. ears - ghogh
21. nose - nedz
22. eyes - cemen, tsemen (cem/tsem -single)

spacibo esho raz -- bud zdorov !

Tjanaparh
10-05-2012, 03:03 PM
For the users who understand Russian. There is a film translated from Ossetian about Ossetians life, that could be interesting for those interested in links between Pashtuns and Ossetians.
I watched it yesterday, really a great film
Фильм Горец (Хохаг) Осетия - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vARFBH4lFQ0&list=FLluPl7e8H_4bUP0Z65QEo7g&feature=mh_lolz)

ImAjEw
10-05-2012, 04:06 PM
I know about Ossetian it is similar to Kurdish and Balochi. But these people are culturally more similar to us because Ossetians are Christians and Pamiris live in Pashtun lands.
not all ossetians are christian

Tjanaparh
10-05-2012, 04:15 PM
Ossetians are no real christians mostly-they keep their ncestral believes.

یاسمینه
10-05-2012, 04:18 PM
Long time ago I was told that ossetiant is the closest existing language to Pashto.

Tjanaparh
10-05-2012, 04:22 PM
As I heard the relation is like that:

Pashto and Pamirian languages for one branch, Ossetian and Yaghnobi form the other branch - together they for the subgroup of Eastiranic languages.
Ossetian is thought to be closest to Yaghnobi, a rare language derived from Sogdian.

ImAjEw
10-05-2012, 04:23 PM
Long time ago I was told that ossetiant is the closest existing language to Pashto.
:rofl1:

Tjanaparh
10-05-2012, 04:26 PM
:rofl1:

Why do you laugh?

یاسمینه
10-05-2012, 04:50 PM
:rofl1:
In fact I didn't say anything new. Admin wrote the same at the beginning of this thread. Hallo, you know Russian and you know some Pashto. If you don't believe me go to Kitabtoon, Arevapasht posted there and Ossetian manual in Russian. So check first and then, it its not true please feel free to laugh :)

ImAjEw
10-05-2012, 04:54 PM
For the users who understand Russian. There is a film translated from Ossetian about Ossetians life, that could be interesting for those interested in links between Pashtuns and Ossetians.
I watched it yesterday, really a great film
Фильм Горец (Хохаг) Осетия - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vARFBH4lFQ0&list=FLluPl7e8H_4bUP0Z65QEo7g&feature=mh_lolz)
i'll watch it

Tjanaparh
10-05-2012, 04:57 PM
I suppose the key to connect Ossetian to Pashto would be Yaghnobi.
Some ossetians told me they can understand Yaghnobi partly, what is not true for the other languages(Pashto, Pamirian), where only single words are undrstandable as they say.
Also Ossetian has like 3 dialectal forms.

ImAjEw
10-05-2012, 04:57 PM
In fact I didn't say anything new. Admin wrote the same at the beginning of this thread. Hallo, you know Russian and you know some Pashto. If you don't believe me go to Kitabtoon, Arevapasht posted there and Ossetian manual in Russian. So check first and then, it its not true please feel free to laugh :)
i'm laughing not about you but with you
because a long time ago you said it
it's a misunderstood from my side
sorry

Tjanaparh
10-05-2012, 05:00 PM
Hallo, here are some inportant literature posted in here:
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31273
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31440
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31272
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31271
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31269
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=30642

ImAjEw
10-05-2012, 05:15 PM
Hallo, here are some inportant literature posted in here:
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31273 (http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31273)
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31440 (http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31440)
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31272 (http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31272)
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31271 (http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31271)
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31269 (http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=31269)
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=30642 (http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=30642)
Dear Arevapasht! Ja ne e vysmeivala a s nej smejalas'.
Ja vidat' ne tak vyrazilas'.
Izvenite pozhalusta:ashamed:

Tjanaparh
01-02-2013, 06:54 AM
Really? And also, i was always wondering if Pashtuns, were descendants of Scythians.
Well, Ossetian is quiet changed phonetically. As they are cut off from other populations with similar languages for centuries. However one Pamirian friend of mine, who was once posting here too has done much investigation on Ossetians and saw that many traditions and tales are same or very similar.
Yaghnobi speakers on the other hand are like a connection between Ossetians and other Iranic peoples, but they are relly few left and they have as I noticed now a lot of words taken drom Tajik

Kushan Prince
06-04-2013, 03:57 AM
I disagree.

The closest living language to Pashto is modern Ossetic which is an eastern Iranian language just like pashto. I have heard what the Pamiri language sounds like and it sounds nothing like pashto, its sounds like a completely different language to me. The Ossetians, both culturally and linguistically are the most related to us Pashtuns.

Tjanaparh
06-05-2013, 04:57 AM
There is actually not one Pamirian language, but many, and they do not understand eachother, Ishkashimi is different than Shughni.
However Pamirian languages and Yaghnobi are all eastern Iranic too, simly due to their not written and not official status they have many borrowings from Tajik.
But what makes you see direct parallels with Ossetian?
Can you give an example?
The sound of ossetian seems quiet different.
Ossetians and Pamirians hav both also very close traditions. I have been on a forum where both were participating, and they all agreed one with the others to have straightest connections.
The Pamirian user and my friend for long years that was posting here has done a lot of investigation on Ossetian-Pamirian connection.
What makes Ossetians different from Pamirians , is closely related to the Caucasus.
And the neighbours of Ossetians.

However Ossetians are very disliked by their Caucasian neighbours.
They have a big hate with Ingushs and Georgians.

Kushan Prince
06-05-2013, 02:52 PM
There is actually not one Pamirian language, but many, and they do not understand eachother, Ishkashimi is different than Shughni.
However Pamirian languages and Yaghnobi are all eastern Iranic too, simly due to their not written and not official status they have many borrowings from Tajik.
But what makes you see direct parallels with Ossetian?
Can you give an example?
The sound of ossetian seems quiet different.
Ossetians and Pamirians hav both also very close traditions. I have been on a forum where both were participating, and they all agreed one with the others to have straightest connections.
The Pamirian user and my friend for long years that was posting here has done a lot of investigation on Ossetian-Pamirian connection.
What makes Ossetians different from Pamirians , is closely related to the Caucasus.
And the neighbours of Ossetians.

However Ossetians are very disliked by their Caucasian neighbours.
They have a big hate with Ingushs and Georgians.

Ossetic has a lot of pitched vowels like pashto. In pashto you pronounce words more with your tongue with emphasis and i have heard the same with ossetic. By Pamiri languages we have to know which language as pamiri languages don't all sound the same despite being in the same linguistic group.

From hearing clips of the Pamiri langauge and ossetic, they sound nothing alike to me. However i am not a linguist so i may be wrong if there are some connections.

This is how close the ossetian language sounds to pashto:

Ирон Æвзаг (Осетинский язык) 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv1DrorKZGk)